ROG to be cited???

Some speculation in Irish papers that O'Gara could be cited for that stupid kick into the back of the Edinburgh 2R's leg - didn't seem to connect very much but the intention was there and if it is deemed as foul play then he could face a ban which could keep him out of the Racing Metro game next weekend. Whether he gets a ban or not, it was a dumb thing to do whaterver provocation he got and it stood out that he was hauled off straight away by Penney.

Of course, there is the school of thought that if Munster are to have any chance of getting a BP then they would be better off with Keatley at 10 than ROG.

It certainly looked like he connected very well.

Utterly stupid and petulant thing to do. Would have hoped for more from a man of his age and experience. Truth be told I would have hoped for more from an U11.

Every cloud though. I don't really understand why Penney persists with him but this should give him the opportunity to get Keatley and JJ invoved, no?

Yep - blessing in disguise for Munster if ROG cops a ban.

12 weeks for me. Would that cover the 6N?

Unfortunately it's not uncommon for ROG to lash out with his legs, noticed it on a few occasions after he's been tackled, like around 2:53 on this video, deliberately kicking out then tripping Biggar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OhNnc1kbVc

He also kicked Roncero in a tackle while ROG was on the ground, he pushed his feet up in to Roncero's belly. Somehow Roncero got yellowed and ROG didn't, Rugbydump did a thing on it a while ago.

If he misses the 6Nations I will be very happy

ROG is just lucky his pack jumped in and rescued him afterwards. Sean Cox looked like he was going to rip his head off!

funnyExiledScot wrote:ROG is just lucky his pack jumped in and rescued him afterwards. Sean Cox looked like he was going to rip his head off!

YEah of all the people I would kick in the back of the Leg, Sean Cox wouldn't be near the top of the list.

What do people think the length of the ban will be if he is found guilty?

Probably a low level ban - a couple of weeks - enough to keep him out of the HC next weekend, unfortunately not enough to keep him out of the 6N so Uncle Deccie will keep his pet in the squad instead of giving Jackson/Keatley/Madigan a try as reserve to Sexton

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:He also kicked Roncero in a tackle while ROG was on the ground, he pushed his feet up in to Roncero's belly. Somehow Roncero got yellowed and ROG didn't, Rugbydump did a thing on it a while ago.

If he misses the 6Nations I will be very happy

Also - Gethin Jenkins in the back of the head after the chargedown try in the 2005 GS game.

Bizarre incident
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UaKeOcl6Eo

It's ok, never fear O'Gara fans I am on my way to the IRB to plead his case you can trust me to make sure he is given an unfair and not proper trial from a jury of people who have Irish international rugby's best interests at heart so expect him back about oh well if I had to guess I would say Sunday 17th March

At the time, way back in 2001, it looked like the actions of a mindless Aussie second-string loser, but in view of his subsequent track record, maybe Duncan MacRae was just another recipient of the toe-end of O'Gara's cultured right boot?

Since we're all posting clips of ROG behaving badly, lets not forget his 'fight' with Mingoni a few season ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Fd285vagc

Casartelli wrote:At the time, way back in 2001, it looked like the actions of a mindless Aussie second-string loser, but in view of his subsequent track record, maybe Duncan MacRae was just another recipient of the toe-end of O'Gara's cultured right boot?

No - O'Gara was chatting up MacRae's woman at the formal do the night before - no joke.

Lowest end sanction for kick is 4 weeks. So unless Radge manages to convince the citing panel that it was an "accident" then I'd expect minimum that, maybe 3 if he cops a guilty plea!

Has to be announced by 7 pm if he is cited.

Artful_Dodger wrote:

Casartelli wrote:At the time, way back in 2001, it looked like the actions of a mindless Aussie second-string loser, but in view of his subsequent track record, maybe Duncan MacRae was just another recipient of the toe-end of O'Gara's cultured right boot?

No - O'Gara was chatting up MacRae's woman at the formal do the night before - no joke.

Thats just a rumour.

Thought it was 50 hours from kick-off therefore it has to be announced by tomorrow 2.45?

UlstermaninGlasgow wrote:Thought it was 50 hours from kick-off therefore it has to be announced by tomorrow 2.45?

Sorry. I was going on 28 from the end. You are right.

The citing officer has 50 hours from Kick off to make the complaint but the ERC seem to have been announcing any citing referal at the same time for each round so we may not hear about it quite that soon. Mind you, Munster's match was one of the last from the weekend so there shouldn't be a big delay.

cited. hearing in Dublin on thursday.

Stupid but hardly worthy of a ban,
Isn't it the Irish motto to kick ahead,doesn't matter whos just kick one?

Maybe the Irish should ban him for not kicking hard enough, it was more of a tap and go.

Artful_Dodger wrote:

Casartelli wrote:At the time, way back in 2001, it looked like the actions of a mindless Aussie second-string loser, but in view of his subsequent track record, maybe Duncan MacRae was just another recipient of the toe-end of O'Gara's cultured right boot?

No - O'Gara was chatting up MacRae's woman at the formal do the night before - no joke.

Yep he was 100% true.
Took his beating like a bitch thou,maybe thats why he went for him so viciously,easy target.

View mate....you are a total plank and I would be expecting a bit of a break from these boards if not more very soon the way you have been getting on over the last few days.

Artful_Dodger wrote:View mate....you are a total plank and I would be expecting a bit of a break from these boards if not more very soon the way you have been getting on over the last few days.

So you don't agree with my FACTS so you insult me? logical i guess

Loving Coxs comments audible on the youtube clip " enjoy you flipping time off" :-)

viewtothegym wrote:Stupid but hardly worthy of a ban,
Isn't it the Irish motto to kick ahead,doesn't matter whos just kick one?

Maybe the Irish should ban him for not kicking hard enough, it was more of a tap and go.

Erm - kicking = auto red card / ban 4 wks at least.

also really stupid kicking somone the size of Cox - he could have eaten ROG whole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCkHxSk3xWY ROG is extremely lucky that Earls immediately jumped on Cox's back so that he couldn't get up and beat ten bells out of his team mate

Hahaha, Cox yelling at O'gara "enjoying your f*****g time off"

Poor effort by O'Gara too no technique send him to me and I'll train him we will have him fighting Anderson Silva in no time

So he has been cited per the BBC pages. Not a great surprise but I thought citings were only for offences which, if seen by the ref, would have resulted in a red card? With the "ferocity" of ROG's kick and Sean Cox's intentions if he had manged to get to him, a "get well soon" card would have been more appropriate than a red one.
Outcome of panel hearing? a slap on the wrist (which has the impact of one of ROG's punches) and a "move on, there is nothing to see here"

Kicking is an auto red card and a ban. Its not the outcome or intent that matters - its the action. Kick a player and you will be red carded and / or banned 4 weeks minimum

ROG should get some lessons off this old Irish player!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRScolLa8QE

Well, 4 weeks isn't the minimum ban just the "Low Entry Point".

That can be reduced by good previous record etc.

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:ROG should get some lessons off this old Irish player!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRScolLa8QE

At least Flannery had the guts to do it with his opponent facing him - ROG on the other hand...

Players can be cited then only given a yc on their record ala Matt Smith after the Worcester game. As far as I understand it, any act of potentially serious foul play can be cited for further investigation.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:ROG should get some lessons off this old Irish player!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRScolLa8QE

At least Flannery had the guts to do it with his opponent facing him - ROG on the other hand...

And he gave it a proper whollop too!!!

MrsP wrote:Well, 4 weeks isn't the minimum ban just the "Low Entry Point".

That can be reduced by good previous record etc.

ssh don't say that MrsP he did an awful thing and he should be punished harshly. He has been terrible fouler his whole life, in fact I heard from no source at all he hits old ladies ban him for months, I think an appropriate ban would see him coming back oh about Sunday 17th March.

formerly known as Sam wrote:Players can be cited then only given a yc on their record ala Matt Smith after the Worcester game. As far as I understand it, any act of potentially serious foul play can be cited for further investigation.

Sam,

I think that may be just a Premiership thing. I don't think the ERC competitions are doing that. I am happy to bow to superior knowledge on the subject though.

Lordy, that was a baby kick. Petulant. Frustrated. Could have done no harm to anyone or anything.
Give him a ban because...............well...........just because it was so weak.

Outside that, handbags, but with his foot.

Cox deserved it. Hopefully no ban.

From a complete neutral, a couple of questions.

That playing surface at Liberty is about a thousand percent better than that at Millenium stadium, Why dont Wales play their Internationals there and give their backs the opportunity to perform?

I could hardly see the subject incident, but to me it looked like a bit of a reflex action, not the end of the World, and how many of us can say that we havent gone down that path ourselves? but what this sort of thing sometimes does indicate, and that is a player in the twilight of his career???

Its does alright. I have done it lots of times I confess.

Ah he should be banned, it would be a blessing for Munster. And I am a huge fan of ROG btw, but this season his aging has properly caught up on him. His kicking game and tactical nouse are still supreme, probably even getting better, but the rest of his game has stagnated and its not like he was Carlos Spencer to begin with.

As for the incident itself, a reaction to being shoulder charged by Cox, which was in itself mere handbags but a guy whose played all in nearly 400 top flight rugby matches as a pro, should know better.

And yes, Earls and O'Mahoney were true to their jersey and spared their number 10 from a hiding. To use the venacular, the jumped on that grenade.

MrsP wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Players can be cited then only given a yc on their record ala Matt Smith after the Worcester game. As far as I understand it, any act of potentially serious foul play can be cited for further investigation.

Sam,

I think that may be just a Premiership thing. I don't think the ERC competitions are doing that. I am happy to bow to superior knowledge on the subject though.

It's just far lesslikely to get escalated if it was dealt with on the field. Unfortunately for rog kicks are deemed far more serious than punches , so whereas the majority of those are overlooked even a non incident like this carries a 4 week entry point. I don't believe he has a record of foul play and if he doffs his cap, points to provocatoin etc should get that cut to two weeks and miss....?

If he had been yellowed for it it's highly unlikely he would've been cited, see Ashtons equally girly slap.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

MrsP wrote:

formerly known as Sam wrote:Players can be cited then only given a yc on their record ala Matt Smith after the Worcester game. As far as I understand it, any act of potentially serious foul play can be cited for further investigation.

Sam,

I think that may be just a Premiership thing. I don't think the ERC competitions are doing that. I am happy to bow to superior knowledge on the subject though.

It's just far lesslikely to get escalated if it was dealt with on the field. Unfortunately for rog kicks are deemed far more serious than punches , so whereas the majority of those are overlooked even a non incident like this carries a 4 week entry point. I don't believe he has a record of foul play and if he doffs his cap, points to provocatoin etc should get that cut to two weeks and miss....?

If he had been yellowed for it it's highly unlikely he would've been cited, see Ashtons equally girly slap.

Really? I remember him repeatedly head-butting poor Duncan MacRae's fist - v naughty

Any news on ROG?