ROG to be cited???

viewtothegym wrote:Any news on ROG?

Artful_Dodger wrote:Estebenez got 4 weeks, which is pretty lenient. Munster and Ireland fans getting worried that O'Gara might get off here?

Munster Rugby (@munsterrugby) One week suspension for Ronan O'Gara #HkenCup He misses out on Sunday's clash #MunRac

TJ wrote:One week? this is making a farce out of citing procedures. he was not punished during the game - low entry point is 4 weeks how can one week be justified? Citing really has to get sorted out as this is getting farcical.
Should have been 4 ie the low entry point.

TJ wrote:Mrs P - tripping is still a red card offense and as anyone can see he aimed a kick at him - to say he intended to trip not kick is both a lie and no mitigation

We have seen too many inconsistent bans after citings recently - why have the guidance if it will be ignored.

Perhaps a standing committee on this with the same ( say 3 out of 7) people hearing each case is the way forward with all 7 hearing contentious cases.

It just make a mockery of the process when the guidelines are ignored

GunsGerms wrote:Rog was body checked alright. Cox deserved a kick. I dont know by rights Rog deserved a ban too but I think there should be room for a little retaliation or else things will get quite silly.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:ROG back for Ireland duty - great stuff?

MrsP wrote:

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:ROG back for Ireland duty - great stuff?

Which set of fans will be most disappointed with that fact Asbo?

MrsP wrote:Wow!

I thought the maximum reduction was 50%.

Not saying the ban is wrong just that I didn't think they could go lower than 50% of the Low Entry Point.

He must taken his hands out of his pockets and not eaten any of the panel's fav bikkies!

The Judicial Officer upheld the complaint and found that O'Gara had committed a petulant act which was out of character. He determined that the act was in the lower end (4 weeks) of the IRB's sanctioning regime and taking into account the player's guilty plea and his good disciplinary record, the Judicial Officer reduced the suspension by 50 per cent.

Judge Blackett then determined that a two-week suspension would be wholly disproportionate to the level of offending as O'Gara had been body-checked by Sean Cox prior to the incident. He also accepted that O'Gara had intended to trip rather than to kick Cox.

Sin é wrote:

MrsP wrote:Wow!

I thought the maximum reduction was 50%.

Not saying the ban is wrong just that I didn't think they could go lower than 50% of the Low Entry Point.

He must taken his hands out of his pockets and not eaten any of the panel's fav bikkies!

The Judicial Officer upheld the complaint and found that O'Gara had committed a petulant act which was out of character. He determined that the act was in the lower end (4 weeks) of the IRB's sanctioning regime and taking into account the player's guilty plea and his good disciplinary record, the Judicial Officer reduced the suspension by 50 per cent.

Judge Blackett then determined that a two-week suspension would be wholly disproportionate to the level of offending as O'Gara had been body-checked by Sean Cox prior to the incident. He also accepted that O'Gara had intended to trip rather than to kick Cox.

I don't think 'Entry Point' is the same thing as 'minimum'.

MrsP wrote:

Sin é wrote:

MrsP wrote:Wow!

I thought the maximum reduction was 50%.

Not saying the ban is wrong just that I didn't think they could go lower than 50% of the Low Entry Point.

He must taken his hands out of his pockets and not eaten any of the panel's fav bikkies!

The Judicial Officer upheld the complaint and found that O'Gara had committed a petulant act which was out of character. He determined that the act was in the lower end (4 weeks) of the IRB's sanctioning regime and taking into account the player's guilty plea and his good disciplinary record, the Judicial Officer reduced the suspension by 50 per cent.

Judge Blackett then determined that a two-week suspension would be wholly disproportionate to the level of offending as O'Gara had been body-checked by Sean Cox prior to the incident. He also accepted that O'Gara had intended to trip rather than to kick Cox.

I don't think 'Entry Point' is the same thing as 'minimum'.

Not sure what point you are trying to make there Sin e?

I know the difference between the two but I thought the maximum reduction allowed was 50%.

If that is true then the lowest ban would be 2 weeks.

d) The Judicial Officer will determine the appropriate entry point based on his/her assessment of a number of particular characteristics of the player's actions, including whether or not they were intentional, whether or not they caused any injuries and whether or not they had any effect on the relevant match.

e) After deciding the entry point, the Judicial Officer will then consider whether the suspension should be increased from the entry point to take account of certain specified aggravating factors, such as a poor disciplinary record or the need for deterrence, and/or decreased from the entry point to take account of certain specified mitigating actions, such as a guilty plea, a good disciplinary record, the player's conduct at the hearing and expressions of remorse.

TJ wrote:Pothale - all true but none of that can be considered in the sentencing. All that matters is he kicked him and thus should get a ban in line with the guidelines. Kick someone, get a 4 week ban. Having lied in the case ( claiming it was an intended trip) then no reduction can be given.

Once again the people judging a citing have looked for ways to get out of the ban rather than being strong enough to follow the guidelines.

Glas a du wrote:This is a general comment and not about a specific case.

If the panels at the higher echelons had the same professional scepticism and intellectual rigour as at grass roots level, the process would be fine.

However despite the fact that at the higher level video evidence is often available, players seem to be put on a pedestal by soppy,dewy eyed amateurs. The expensive city lawyers favoured by players know full well by now what buttons to press and it works every time. As a tribunal they are laughable.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:ROG back for Ireland duty - great stuff?

O'Gara said "While I'm very disappointed that my action led to me missing this Heineken Cup game I have to say I was treated very fairly by Mr. Blackett and am very appreciative of his handling of this affair."

Sin é wrote:Only lawyer at today's hearing was Judge Blackett, the tribunal chair. ROG had Garrett FitzGerald (Munster CEO) and Niall O'Donovan (Munster Team Manager) in his corner. Lawyers are only introduced now at the appeal stage.

O'Gara said "While I'm very disappointed that my action led to me missing this Heineken Cup game I have to say I was treated very fairly by Mr. Blackett and am very appreciative of his handling of this affair."

Glas a du wrote:He really is a polariser isn't he.