The GOAT Competition

by Adam D Thu 21 Feb 2013, 9:35 pm

First topic message reminder :

Good Evening all,

You might have noticed that the GOAT section has been removed for the time being.

I am sure you will all agree that this has been a great feature over the last month and a huge thank you to MtotheC (and competitor champions)for running a very good event.

Unfortunately, after an indepth investigation, we have discovered widespread skulduggery when it has come to the voting of several ties.

Due to this, we have temporarily suspended the competition whilst we discuss what to do next. Needless to say, the member has received a permanent ban and this will not happen again.

Feel free to leave suggestions below but we are looking at specific ties and the possibility of rerunning these.

For the time being though, I would like to thank you all for your continued contributions to these threads - service will resume shortly

by Hibbz Fri 22 Feb 2013, 3:38 pm

Many have tried. None have come back alive.

by mystiroakey Fri 22 Feb 2013, 3:40 pm

I saw that program about her last year.. She has been through some harsh stuff!!

she has done well. Respect.. but i wouldnt go there!

by VTR Fri 22 Feb 2013, 3:41 pm

I think his GOAT must be that Curling woman who looked like Colin Hendry. You wouldn't shout about that would you?!

by Hibbz Fri 22 Feb 2013, 3:47 pm

Ha ha that's brilliant VTR.

"And coming forward to collect the award for GOAT sponsored by super_realist is Colin Hen.....sorry Rhona Martin"

To be fair I'd put her ahead of Gavin Hastings.

by VTR Fri 22 Feb 2013, 3:57 pm

Rhona Martin, that's the one. Not to be confused with Rhona Mitra, especially if you were a teenage lad doing an image search!

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:30 pm

Just give it to this guy and save a lot of trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_chestnut

Americas greatest living hero.

by Duty281 Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:32 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Just give it to this guy and save a lot of trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_chestnut

Americas greatest living hero.

"This sport isn't about eating. It's about drive and dedication, and at the end of the day hot dog eating challenges both my body and my mind.″

Laugh

by Guest Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:34 pm

Hibbz wrote:Ha ha that's brilliant VTR.

"And coming forward to collect the award for GOAT sponsored by super_realist is Colin Hen.....sorry Rhona Martin"

To be fair I'd put her ahead of Gavin Hastings.

When I turned onto TalkSport this morning they were interviewing Mr Hastings...SCOTT HASTINGS. Poor Gavin, can't even get a call up from Alan Brazil Laugh

by mystiroakey Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:36 pm

Razor rudock was on there an all, clearly also got the nod over gav!!

by super_realist Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:44 pm

Hibbz wrote:F@ck me Mysti, let the man pick first before we hoist him by his own petard.

He'd probably go for some stereotypical braveheart type character anyway.

Why would I do that , despite by accident of
birth being technically Scottish I abhor Scottishness as a concept and most things Scottish.

by Hibbz Fri 22 Feb 2013, 4:47 pm

I know, it was a poor attempt to needle you into giving an answer.

"Just answer the question Clare"

by invisiblecoolers Fri 22 Feb 2013, 6:08 pm

Actually flaw was on the system, but since such a poll was run for the first time it can be accepted.

What can be done as an alternative.

1]For every poll reply comment should be mandatory, so whoever voted they should leave their comment for who they voted, and if the votes and the comments don't match then its clear cut the particular voting was rigged.

2]New comers shouldn't be allowed to vote, their rights to vote should be granted after a set period of time say like 6 months and after certain credentials like 200 posts as minimum. This prevents new accounts be created just for voting.

3]Finally such a contest should never be stopped coz of few scammers, this is like bowing to them, the quicker you guys bring the contest back shows how much as community we feel confident against scammers. thumbsup

Every online poll gonna have some sort of data anamolies , its for fun purpose hence it have to carried on, with more experience we will only get better.

I would certainly like to see the contest back up and running as quick as possible with more foolproof methods.

by User 774433 Fri 22 Feb 2013, 6:15 pm

IC... no one could have guessed that someone so sad like Spaghatti Hans would try to ruin it.

by kwinigolfer Fri 22 Feb 2013, 6:23 pm

Perhaps we should give credit to the guys who set the G.O.A.T. competition up rather than just nitpick - if it was easy and easily imune to t0sspot abusers, someone else would have tried it.

clap

to the guys who set this up, shame on idiots who abused it.

by Glas a du Fri 22 Feb 2013, 6:29 pm

I think it's made it more interesting. You could generate a computer program to tell you the result accurately, but what's the fun in that?

by Humbert-Hench Fri 22 Feb 2013, 7:30 pm

The weird thing about Hans is he's actually contributed a lot of good to the competition - his write ups on Jerry Rice and Tyson are honestly excellent, even his pieces on jordan and lebron, while a bit ridiculous at times were informative and well written. He also did stuff on Bradman Laver and Redgrave that were completely biased against them but at least well-researched. He (they?) have probably posted some of the best stuff this competition has seen, and he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here, which makes it all the more baffling why he'd throw it all away with vote rigging. A very literate idiot.

by User 774433 Fri 22 Feb 2013, 7:31 pm

Humbert-Hench wrote:The weird thing about Hans is he's actually contributed a lot of good to the competition - his write ups on Jerry Rice and Tyson are honestly excellent, even his pieces on jordan and lebron, while a bit ridiculous at times were informative and well written. He also did stuff on Bradman Laver and Redgrave that were completely biased against them but at least well-researched. He (they?) have probably posted some of the best stuff this competition has seen, and he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here, which makes it all the more baffling why he'd throw it all away with vote rigging. A very literate idiot.

He wasn't that great a writer.
Emancipator's write up I saw was better.

by Imperial Ghosty Fri 22 Feb 2013, 7:33 pm

The Tyson write up was a load of sh!te, sorry but it was bloody awful as was mos the stuff he wrote.

by Mike Selig Fri 22 Feb 2013, 8:18 pm

Humbert-Hench wrote:The weird thing about Hans is he's actually contributed a lot of good to the competition - his write ups on Jerry Rice and Tyson are honestly excellent, even his pieces on jordan and lebron, while a bit ridiculous at times were informative and well written. He also did stuff on Bradman Laver and Redgrave that were completely biased against them but at least well-researched. He (they?) have probably posted some of the best stuff this competition has seen, and he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here, which makes it all the more baffling why he'd throw it all away with vote rigging. A very literate idiot.

Actually his post on Bradman was one of the stupidest and most ill-informed I've ever seen - including criticising the Don for not winning a WC (which is about as relevant as criticising Michael Jordan for never winning a european championship). Specialists from other boards seem to suggest that this was the same for other write-ups, so...

by milkyboy Fri 22 Feb 2013, 8:24 pm

There are a lot of good writers on here humbert, but i can't say he was one of them. Self publicists with a gimmick get far more attention than they warrant, which is why they do it. Look at us, we're still talking about the needy little jerk. Mimicking Larry Olivier in manner, and Jeffrey Archer in tone whilst being highly selective with your material isn't my idea of great writing. And if i want a daily dose of condescension, I only have to talk to my wife.

by **laverfan** Fri 22 Feb 2013, 10:57 pm

Humbert-Hench wrote:A very literate idiot.

A very narcissistic one, IMVHO.

milkyboy wrote:And if i want a daily dose of condescension, I only have to talk to my wife.

All us wenches and hags are not all that bad, but my spouse would agree with you and perhaps offer you a pint at the local bar. Very Happy

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 22 Feb 2013, 11:05 pm

Humbert-Hench wrote:The weird thing about Hans is he's actually contributed a lot of good to the competition - his write ups on Jerry Rice and Tyson are honestly excellent, even his pieces on jordan and lebron, while a bit ridiculous at times were informative and well written. He also did stuff on Bradman Laver and Redgrave that were completely biased against them but at least well-researched. He (they?) have probably posted some of the best stuff this competition has seen, and he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here, which makes it all the more baffling why he'd throw it all away with vote rigging. A very literate idiot.

While I agree that Hans's write-ups for the guys he championed were good, I have to take issue with this. I didn't read his pieces on Redgrave or Laver but his piece on Bradman was full of stuff that was plain wrong: I think he wrote (I paraphrase slightly) "Bradman couldn't be bothered to play for Australia in One-Day matches as he was too defensive a batsman". Now of course not only was Bradman anything but a defensive batsman (still holds the record for most runs in a day for instance), but One-Day matches didn't even exist until the 70's so 30 years after Bradman retired. There was then a load of waffle about Bradman failing to score in his last innings when he needed 4 to average 100 in tests, and Hans called it "the most important innings of his career", once again ignoring the fact that it wasn't really an important match as Australia had already won the series, and no one at the time knew that Bradman needed those 4 runs to average 100 (statistics weren't kept up to date so much back then), it was only much later that it came to light. That's before I even get started on the talk about Bradman not winning a World Cup (which again didn't exist until the 70's). So all in all it wasn't exactly "well-researched"...

by Mad for Chelsea Fri 22 Feb 2013, 11:13 pm

PS: I see Mike snuck in first, sorry Mike...

by barragan Fri 22 Feb 2013, 11:38 pm

don't bite guys... humbert has been ko'd

by McLaren Sat 23 Feb 2013, 2:16 am

This should make everyone feel a little better no matter what the outcome of the goat competition is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH6pYB4GwpA

by aucklandlaurie Sat 23 Feb 2013, 6:31 am

Humbert-Hench wrote:The weird thing about Hans is he's actually contributed a lot of good to the competition - his write ups on Jerry Rice and Tyson are honestly excellent, even his pieces on jordan and lebron, while a bit ridiculous at times were informative and well written. He also did stuff on Bradman Laver and Redgrave that were completely biased against them but at least well-researched. He (they?) have probably posted some of the best stuff this competition has seen, and he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here, which makes it all the more baffling why he'd throw it all away with vote rigging. A very literate idiot.

Spaghands wouldnt happen to have an alias like Humbert-Hench would he???

by mystiroakey Sat 23 Feb 2013, 8:07 am

Well judging by the posts, post count an all. He is part of the spaghetti crew

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 8:16 am

barragan wrote:don't bite guys... humbert has been ko'd

yes 'humbert' has been dismissed. if anyone has any further suspicions of active members, i suggest they contact an admin on mod to investigate rather than post publicly. the goat process will hopefully be back on Monday by which time we intend to have removed all the chaff.

or maybe this is more appropriate: clap

by aucklandlaurie Sat 23 Feb 2013, 8:35 am

[quote="barragan"]

barragan wrote:don't bite guys... humbert has been ko'd[/quote]
yes 'humbert' has been dismissed. if anyone has any further suspicions of active members, i suggest they contact an admin on mod to investigate rather than post publicly. the goat process will hopefully be back on Monday by which time we intend to have removed all the chaff.
or maybe this is more appropriate:

So barragan could you please clarify that Humbert has been banned? Not sure what you mean by Ko'd and dismissed.

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 8:43 am

https://www.606v2.com/u4859
see bottom of page if in doubt.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 23 Feb 2013, 8:48 am

Barragan

I must be extremely thick, but I dont understand what you are saying, I clicked on the link and all that comes up is Humbert's profile page, am I missing something? Is he banned or not ?

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 9:02 am

perhaps it only shows user status (banned or otherwise) to mod.
anyway, to be as clear as day, humbert has been banned. it is not difficult to see why judging by his posts. i contacted an admin when i saw the latest and ip match was confirmed. this was simply missed in the previous ip sweep which took out several user accounts. you can appreciated this can easily happen when so many accounts are under investigation.
anyway, as a personal retraction, - i haven't had time to check the thread i commented that people were looking for a conspiracy where there was none. i was made those comments based on the facts that were known to me at the time. afterwards i asked the admin to have a look into allegations and once we were able to review accounts created recently 's ip addresses vs post count (and content),it was clear that shennanagans were afoot. i retract my earlier comment and apologise to those to which it was directed.
Hug

by aucklandlaurie Sat 23 Feb 2013, 9:19 am

baragan
Yes I'm pleased that you apologise because i thought your comment that we (those drawing the variances to your attention) "you all love a bit of controversy" was very short sighted.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 23 Feb 2013, 9:24 am

Accept it in good grace

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 9:42 am

if i'm completely honest i did see your point and had some suspicions , however i was trying to protect the process and efforts of mttc and co with the evidence i had to hand. often throwing conspiracies around can be as harmful as the shameless vote rigging acts in the firstplace.having proactively flagged the comments up to the admin it was clear when they then presented their findings that you lot were right. thumbsup

i would urge anyone who has further suspicions of other user accounts to flag these up to admin to/ mod privately. the se will be dealt with and you will be informed of any outcomes.

by mystiroakey Sat 23 Feb 2013, 9:58 am

Ban Ban thing is we wernt just having a pop.. We were on the whole concerned because we appreciate what M to da C was on aboot!!

just because we arnt modmins doesnt mean we dont have the same invested interest Yo

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 10:03 am

i get that mysti - that s why.i did something about it by contacting the admins thumbsup

anyway looking forward to Monday when we can put this all behind us!

by mystiroakey Sat 23 Feb 2013, 10:11 am

Aye Ban

I hate grassing to modmins though(I only do that about mods!!)

People power , rage against the machine, god save the queen. I am a rebel without cause.. blah blah blah!

by VTR Sat 23 Feb 2013, 10:43 am

What a desperate individual Spunky Hands is that he's still creating accounts to post on here. You are banned and binned mate, time to move on in your sad little life!

I do have to say though that "he's definitely the best technical writer I've seen on here" is comedy gold!

by hjumpshoe Sat 23 Feb 2013, 11:04 am

Hi all! I am a long time member of this site as well as the old 606. My main interest and passion is rugby but i also have a real interest in most other sports as well. Unfortunately im a very busy man{self employed with 3 kids at home}, otherwise id contribute a lot more to the site. I do, however, regularly drop in for an hour or so just to enjoy some of the amazing knowledge that a lot of you have. I also really enjoy a lot of the wit and banter, though not the blatant wumming, especially during a good thread that is provoking interesting debate and discussion. I have thoroughly enjoyed this GOAT competition, and have found the time to read it most days. Ive never voted because im too busy reading what i can in limited time while being jumped on by the kids, but each day i sort of decide in my own mind who i would choose and, more often than not, the vote goes that way. For the record, my idea of a GOAT is based not only on the individuals ability but also their impact on their particular sport, and in some circumstances, the sporting world as a whole. Therefore, after much deliberation, my top 5 is as follows:
5. Jahangir Khan
4. Donald Bradman
3. Roger Federer
2. Pele
1. Muhamed Ali

Special mentions go to Michael Jordan, Kelly Slater, Tiger Woods, Eddy Merckx and Sugar Ray Robinson.

Cymru Am Byth

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 23 Feb 2013, 11:14 am

it's a bit sad TBH that one utter twonk has been able to ruin what has been a really enjoyable exercise, with some great debates, and which I personally thought the admins did a great job in setting up and organising. People have suggested limiting voting to posters who've been around a while and contributed, but I don't think that's even possible, and I certainly don't think it's desirable, as there may be new members that are interested in the debate and wish to contribute, so excluding them seems harsh to me.

Ultimately when you set up this sort of thing it's just meant to be a bit of harmless fun, so it's a real shame it degenerated like this (again, because of one very sad individual). The solution someone proposed of having one page for debate and a separate voting page where posters who wish to vote just leave the name of the candidate they're voting for (no polls) could work as at least you're controlling who's doing the voting (and suspicious votes can be immediately discounted). Could mean a fair bit of additional work for the admins though...

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 23 Feb 2013, 11:20 am

Actually, you could allow us to use different colours - so for the vote we can have Sugar Ray Robinson at the bottom of our post and you can count em as we go along

by guildfordbat Sat 23 Feb 2013, 12:11 pm

Just back from a few days away to see all this.

Great shame. At least it explains how Pele beat my man Sobers! Wink

by Adam D Sat 23 Feb 2013, 12:53 pm

It wouldnt really solve the problem though Shah as people could still set up duplicate accounts and post the nominee.

We just have to carry on as before and should anything raise its head, then we investigate.

I personally think that the only matches that need to be looked at are the ones that Hans supported someone (like Michael Johnson and Jordan for example)

by Mad for Chelsea Sat 23 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm

Adam D wrote:It wouldnt really solve the problem though Shah as people could still set up duplicate accounts and post the nominee.

We just have to carry on as before and should anything raise its head, then we investigate.

I personally think that the only matches that need to be looked at are the ones that Hans supported someone (like Michael Johnson and Jordan for example)

yes but it would be a lot easier to detect surely? a rush of ten posters within an hour all with no posts suddenly voting for Jordan would immediately arouse suspicion...

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 23 Feb 2013, 12:57 pm

Thats true - but it was an idea in addition to the post made as to why you are going to vote for somebody. Hence adding it at the bottom of our post.

by **ShahenshahG** Sat 23 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm

Thats true - but it was an idea in addition to the post made as to why you are going to vote for somebody. Hence adding it at the bottom of our post.

by barragan Sat 23 Feb 2013, 1:39 pm

Adam D wrote:It wouldnt really solve the problem though Shah as people could still set up duplicate accounts and post the nominee.

We just have to carry on as before and should anything raise its head, then we investigate.

I personally think that the only matches that need to be looked at are the ones that Hans supported someone (like Michael Johnson and Jordan for example)

that's all very well however the reality is that there will be knock on effects spanning several rounds AND we know very well that potentially every match from the wildcard group and round 2 onwards could be affected by a bogus swing vote of around 10-15 accounts... therefore picking and choosing which matches we think is unfortunately too subjective and will not aplease those here who are looking for justice and integrity!! personally i think the only way which solves the issue is to restart from R2, with a greatly shortened format which lasts no longer than the current format would have to run.

by Guest Sat 23 Feb 2013, 2:33 pm

hjumpshoe wrote:Hi all! I am a long time member of this site as well as the old 606. My main interest and passion is rugby but i also have a real interest in most other sports as well. Unfortunately im a very busy man{self employed with 3 kids at home}, otherwise id contribute a lot more to the site. I do, however, regularly drop in for an hour or so just to enjoy some of the amazing knowledge that a lot of you have. I also really enjoy a lot of the wit and banter, though not the blatant wumming, especially during a good thread that is provoking interesting debate and discussion. I have thoroughly enjoyed this GOAT competition, and have found the time to read it most days. Ive never voted because im too busy reading what i can in limited time while being jumped on by the kids, but each day i sort of decide in my own mind who i would choose and, more often than not, the vote goes that way. For the record, my idea of a GOAT is based not only on the individuals ability but also their impact on their particular sport, and in some circumstances, the sporting world as a whole. Therefore, after much deliberation, my top 5 is as follows:
5. Jahangir Khan
4. Donald Bradman
3. Roger Federer
2. Pele
1. Muhamed Ali

New account, new name befinning with H..

I say BAN HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM NOW!!

emancipator
Special mentions go to Michael Jordan, Kelly Slater, Tiger Woods, Eddy Merckx and Sugar Ray Robinson.

Cymru Am Byth

by Guest Sat 23 Feb 2013, 2:34 pm

What the heck, what happened to my post Shocked

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