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Post by Diamond in the rough Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:49 am

I was wrong thought and put money on trout but fair play better man won looking fwd to the precedings in September should mayweather win can see a rematch if the mayweather fight doesn't pull off tho

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Post by davidemore Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:28 am

I predicted Rigo and Canelo, yippee! Didn't bet though. Sad

Got a youtube link?

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Post by hampo17 Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:34 am

The judge who had it 118-109 watched a different fight to me. I had it 115-112 to Canelo. Certainly showed he isn't chinny as well.

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Post by Strongback Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:47 am

Any chance of using a spoiler as per the house rules in the future.

I'm waiting to watch the fight and only logged on as my pc is on the slow boat to China retrieving the fight.



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Post by Strongback Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:20 am

Canelo is a star is a spoiler

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:21 am

I called this fight a Canelo win but a little controversial.

I was right.

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Post by eddyfightfan Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:33 am

you should edit the title as to not ruin it the result for those who didn't watch the fight yet

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Post by eddyfightfan Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:42 am

cheers diamond. great fight and im glad alvarez has finally had the chance to prove himself against a top fighter. i think this kid is something special and hope he gets a fight with floyd (if he gets past guerrero).

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:22 pm

Canelo has arrived, I was very impressed with him last night and showed that he gets better with his opposition

I had it 115-112 to Canelo I think, so the 118-109 is a bit of a ridiculous scorecard. While it was close, Canelo was clearly the winner and Trout's team and those watching in the audience knew it

When this fight was called I thought it would come down to what you like, the volume of Trout or the heavy cleaner shots of Canelo. Trout had alot of trouble landing on Canelo and Canelo's he's dmivement allowed him to make Trout miss with the jab. In the rounds, Canelo lande dthe much harder shots especially with the right hand and even had success with heavy left jab

The future is bright for Canelo, don't think Floyd will step in with him anytime soon. The only thing he needs to improve is his conditioning as he looke every jaded at some points. He might be struggling to make weight as he looks very strong at 154 but I don't think his frame will suit 160 atm

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:53 pm

Trout landed 30 more punches according to stats.

154 to 124.

I thought it was closer than most people have it.

I had trout by a round but cold easily have seen it for canelo by a round.

118-109 is probably one of the worst cards we will ever see.

Mayweather simply won't fight him based on that.

The guy was punched more, boxed more and won every round?

Excuse me?

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Post by Diamond in the rough Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Sorry for not putting spoilers on to anyone who read this no don't have a link, it was no way 118 109 that's the same score alverez had with mosley I think and it was much closer than that judges should just get fined or binned with rubbish scores like that, alverez clearly won tho the only contreversy being the score card being ridiculous! I never realised the punch stats so maybe I'm wrong... Think I'm gonna stop betting as I don't seem to no a lot

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:02 pm

Yea he landed 154 of 800 punches whereas Canelo landed 124 out of 500, Canelo was the far more accurate

How many of those 154 did Trout land with anything behind it. He didn't throw his left at all and was jabbing without landing it and when he did it was light. Of Canelo's 124 landed almost all of them were solid shots. Canelo landed the harder jabs, threw the better harder power shots and slipped the harder shots trout did throw

I'm sorry I just can't give rounds to a fighter who is being landed on hard and is only touching his opponent with his shots. As the commentator said last night, Canelo's strong right was good enough to match an surpass Trouts 4/5 light jabs landed partially

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Post by azania Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:26 pm

Trout may have thrown and landed more. But canelo bossed it. Won by a round for me but neither impressed me.

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Post by Diamond in the rough Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:54 pm

Can understand neither impressing but as there so well matched and was a pickem fight it was competative, It quite good the stats as I would never of thought someone throwing 300 punches more would lose but a you say the jabs he was throwing had zero effect

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Post by KO-KING Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:29 pm

My breakdown of the fight - quick summary and scorecard

1 - Trout - Won the fight with Jab, straight to the body, Won on Workrate

2 - Canelo - Landed better punches, Better Combination

3 - Trout - Outboxed Canelo, good movement

4 - Canelo - Landed the better punches won a even round towards the end

5 - Trout - Won simply on workrate, threw alot of nothing punches

6 - Canelo - Trout had workrate on his side, but Alvarez landed enough clean punches to even it up, won the round on Defence

7 - Canelo - 10-8, better punches + KD

8 - Trout - outjabbed and outworked S.A

9 - Canelo - Both men exchanged good punches, Canelo with the cleaner punches, again better defence

10- Trout - outworked Canelo, Canelo with the better punches, but in this round Quantity>Quality

11- Canelo - Landed the better punches, Outboxed Trout, seemed to stun him towards the end aswell

12- Trout - outworked Canelo


Total 114 - 113 - Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, although close on the cards, I only see one winner and that is Alvarez, He landed the better punches, showed better Defence and offence. Trout simply had workrate on his side. Trout Even admitted he lost to the better man and he did. No way did Trout win that fight.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:37 pm

You've matched my card almost round for round there, KO-King. I mentioned it last night, but Alvarez's defence was what stood out for me. I've never been impressed with him in that respect at all prior to last night, but he's clearly put the graft in and worked on it, so full credit to him.

Even when Trout managed to drive him back to the ropes he showed us some new stuff; I was impressed with how well he was able to roll with a lot of the fire coming his way.

What did alarm me a little was how susceptible he could potentially be to being outworked. I doubt he's making 154 with ease in any case and maybe that's the reason why, but there were some rounds (the eighth, for example) where he basically just took three minutes off. Of course, this could just be down to the fact that, with the open WBC scoring, he knew he was in command on the cards and so didn't feel the need to really push on, but food for thought all the same.

I've said before that I think people will be left disappointed if they're expecting Canelo to go on to be the man to carry big-time boxing over the next decade as some are predicting he might, but I have to concede that he's starting to make a believer out of me that he could at least be a genuine pound for pound contender somewhere down the line. I've never believed that he has chin issues in any case, but if he can match his improved defence and solid (if unspectacular) power with a bit more industry, then he's going to be a very, very solid all-rounder and a tough man to beat at eleven stone.
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Post by KO-KING Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:08 pm

88Chris05 wrote:You've matched my card almost round for round there, KO-King. I mentioned it last night, but Alvarez's defence was what stood out for me. I've never been impressed with him in that respect at all prior to last night, but he's clearly put the graft in and worked on it, so full credit to him.

Even when Trout managed to drive him back to the ropes he showed us some new stuff; I was impressed with how well he was able to roll with a lot of the fire coming his way.

What did alarm me a little was how susceptible he could potentially be to being outworked. I doubt he's making 154 with ease in any case and maybe that's the reason why, but there were some rounds (the eighth, for example) where he basically just took three minutes off. Of course, this could just be down to the fact that, with the open WBC scoring, he knew he was in command on the cards and so didn't feel the need to really push on, but food for thought all the same.

I've said before that I think people will be left disappointed if they're expecting Canelo to go on to be the man to carry big-time boxing over the next decade as some are predicting he might, but I have to concede that he's starting to make a believer out of me that he could at least be a genuine pound for pound contender somewhere down the line. I've never believed that he has chin issues in any case, but if he can match his improved defence and solid (if unspectacular) power with a bit more industry, then he's going to be a very, very solid all-rounder and a tough man to beat at eleven stone.

His stamina has always been an issue - maybe not the stamina but the workrate, he fights in spurts, a smart fighter would see off sauls spurts then make him pay when he takes a break. I was very impressed with his defence, he could improve on many things, if he develops a good jab, he will improve onto another level in my opinion. Rounds 5 and 6 were close 50/50 rounds, I guess its fair I gave one to saul one to austin (just the way it turned out)

I think he can still make 154 for few more fights, he doesnt really want to move up, there are too many seasoned fighters at 160. My expectations, were a bit like this - First time I saw vs Cotto, although he got rocked, I was impressed - thought I was looking at a future top 5 P4P fighter a possible great - at 19 - then there was a spell I started to question how good he actually was, then came the Ryan Rhodes fight, I said it then - if he manages to take out Rhodes - I'll start giving him credit, which i did, This is the biggest step up in his career, he did it well. He is not unbeatable by any stretch, but he is solid, I still think he will be a Future P4P top 5 Fighter.

Then again I dont always get it right, though Khan will be a top 7 P4P after joining with roach, doesnt look like its going to happen, thought Price will be the next Heavyweight Champ...

Am normally better at picking hyped fighters when they are going to lose, Berto (both times), Lacy, Vazquez jr, Khan (vs Prescott), Pavlik (altough Bhop was a great), etc... list goes on

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Post by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:42 pm

Just watched the fight there. It wasreally close, but I think Canelos composure was the factor, Trout was on the move from the opening bell but Canelo seemed calm and picked his shots brilliently. When Canelo landed you could see the Trout seemed to feel them. But when Trout landed they just didnt seem to faze Canelo, he just took a deep breath and went on about his plan. Was really impressed by both guys to be honest, Trout still fought well and I look forward to seeing where he goes from here. He can still beat almost anyone at the weight, or a move up would be good maybe as he looks so big.

Good fight, it was good listening to Trout at the end, seems a really decent bloke and was very gracious.

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:49 pm

Pressure is the best style to beat a burst fighter. A guy who can force him to fight back for as much of the round as possible.

Trout couldn't do that as he's not as good at taking the fight to his foe than he is at countering on the backfoot.

Given his ability to hurt his opponents with single shots, it'd take a tough pressure fighter to do it.

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Post by Strongback Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:49 pm

Mayweather should take the kid out. Too experienced too cute.

The strategy of hitting Trout in the body from early on worked well. Canelo's reflexes are finely tuned and he used them well to avoid punches. I'm not sure he's a technical defensive master yet but he did well in this fight against a fast hand opponent.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:01 pm

Strongback wrote:Mayweather should take the kid out. Too experienced too cute.

The strategy of hitting Trout in the body from early on worked well. Canelo's reflexes are finely tuned and he used them well to avoid punches. I'm not sure he's a technical defensive master yet but he did well in this fight against a fast hand opponent.

I think Mayweather would have a hard time with Alvarez's size if I'm honest... Alvarez is huge for a light middleweight.

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Post by azania Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:12 pm

Have the drug tests on canelo come out yet?

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Post by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:06 pm

He tested positive for acid and crystal meth. A right hootenanni they all had in the gym the other day
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Post by azania Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:22 pm

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:He tested positive for acid and crystal meth. A right hootenanni they all had in the gym the other day

Did he?

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Post by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:11 pm

Yep, his eyes were the same colour as his hair
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Post by Gerry SA Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:38 pm

Excellent performance by El Canelo, I had it 115-113, the knockdown was the key. Saul showed a vastly improved defence and much better fighting brain. Trout wasn't able to adjust enough.

Dunno how the WBA's judge scored it a near shutout for El Canelo... Must've been watching a different fight.

Read that El Canelo vs Cotto is being lined up for September. Can't see Cotto lasting more than 6-8 rounds.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:12 am

I was very impressed with canelos head movement. He was bobbing and weaving and making trout punch air for the whole fight.

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