England vs New Zealand, First Test at Lords

by GSC Thu 16 May - 19:38

First topic message reminder :

England: Cook (c), Compton, Trott, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn.
NZ: Fulton, Rutherford, Williamson, Taylor, Brownlie, McCullum (c), BJ Watling, Southee, Wagner, Boult, Martin

England win the toss and will bat first

by GSC Sun 19 May - 22:59

Anyway NZ have passed Indias 42 at least so theres that

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:00

Probably 2 wickets away from winning, no point Martin coming in at 11 injured with the game gone.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:01

GSC wrote:Cooks contributions at the top of innings are matchwinning efforts also though no?

yes but what i said was that KP more than others can turn a draw into a match win..

Cook sets the innings up from the off- he doesnt turn the tide due to being an opener. He has a different role- One that is just as important mind.. No denying that

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:01

Must be Broad's best Test figures ? Might get better yet...

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:02

Broad has a 7 wicket innings iirc.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 19 May - 23:06

He got 7 against the West Indies a few years back

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:07

NZ playing some strokes. Looking to win it from here, not giving up.

by Duty281 Sun 19 May - 23:07

Give Swanny a go; there's a left hander at the crease.

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:09

GSC wrote:Broad has a 7 wicket innings iirc.

You're right of course ...West Indies here last year in fact. I was getting ahead of myself Smile

One more Broady ...

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:10

Sky saying it has stopped swinging and gone flat.

Could NZ be favourites to win now then if flat?

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:10

Oh man couldn't have timed it better, I pressed send and he took him.

It moved too contrary to what they said.

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:11

...if Jimmy leaves him any , that is ...

Nice catch Trott clap

Only Boult and ( ?) Martin left ...

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:12

Martin comes out?

Why?
Is it worth risking his health? Forget him next game then.

by Duty281 Sun 19 May - 23:12

Yesss Jimmy!

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:12

Not really. If I were the physio and team manager I'd tell him not to bother.

Might be a macho thing.

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:13

Well Martin is out here ...not sure why...

Marks for guts but I wonder if it wise given their mounting injury list.

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:13

An idiotic thing really.

Maybe he will now win the game and become a hobbled hero of course.

A 6 now. NZ are playing like they fancy it with these strokes.

by dyrewolfe Sun 19 May - 23:19

Duty281 wrote:What's with the KP bashing? Stats speak for themselves:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/19296.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/19296.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting;view=series

He's world class.

The stats don't tell the whole story.

Yes, he's got a high average, but far too often for a supposedly "world class" batsman he is either found wanting against the better bowlers, (particularly spinners), or else simply isn't in the right frame of mind for the situation.

I've lost track of the number of times he's been needed to play a sensible innings to steady the ship and he's gone and got out cheaply playing a stupid shot.

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:19

I guess he is already written off for the second Test anyway , and it is his choice to bat...

Brave , though rather pointless.

by dyrewolfe Sun 19 May - 23:22

I really don't know why NZ didn't just concede the match after Watling got out?

Why risk sending already-injured players out to bat? Is it a pride thing?

Hope they don't aggravate their injuries further. Shows some grit and fight at least anyway. Wagner going all T20 will give the punters a bit of a show.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:24

I think its fine to send players out. Never ever give up.

If england conceded in the reverse scenario I would be livid!!

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:24

Dyrewolfe , you are correct that KP often seems to get out to a rash shot...he isn't the first fine player to have this habit.

But he far more than makes up for it with his many matchwinning innings - and even the odd match saving one , surprisingly enough - and his overall record is excellent.

He'd walk into any team in the world.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 19 May - 23:25

The end is nigh folks. England have been superb at bowling in this match but there is a lot of improvements for the 2nd test.

Superb fielding just then from the 12th man!

by Duty281 Sun 19 May - 23:26

mystiroakey wrote:I think its fine to send players out. Never ever give up.

If england conceded in the reverse scenario I would be livid!!

"Never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
Winston Churchill

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:26

Conditions perfect for batting now.

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:26

I did it again.

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:27

If Swann/Anderson was carrying an injury, the game was lost and the Ashes was upcoming, I'd rather he didn't bother.

Bravery and stupidity are 2 different things

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:27

Broad has his seven ! Bubbly

Will he get a shot at eight ?

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:28

Broad has a new test best barring a lot of tonking.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:28

Trebbs gonna have to substitute you mate- we dont need you injured for the next game- I think england can wrap this up on there own

by Duty281 Sun 19 May - 23:29

trebellbobaggins wrote:Conditions perfect for batting now.

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:29

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:29

GSC wrote:If Swann/Anderson was carrying an injury, the game was lost and the Ashes was upcoming, I'd rather he didn't bother.

Bravery and stupidity are 2 different things

Dont agree at all

by trebellbobaggins Sun 19 May - 23:31

Dropped catch and they ran themselves out.

Farce and very funny hearing Ian smith get so excited, he was well into it,

Stuffed.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:31

well played england!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 19 May - 23:32

Haha good end to the test!

What a good start to the summer, great game

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:32

I'm not forcing you to agree.

Martin seems to have escaped further harm in his matchwinning innings of 1 thankfully.

by Duty281 Sun 19 May - 23:32

What a way to win the test! We may have started poorly, but we've finished in style. 1-0 England. Yahoo

Take a bow Broad and Anderson!

by alfie Sun 19 May - 23:33

No eight...a right running mix up and Jimmy effects the run out...

Comprehensive win for England in the end ...well done Broad/Anderson /Root/Trott... clap

Hard luck for Southee to see his efforts go for nothing...

Broad MoM I reckon.

by dyrewolfe Sun 19 May - 23:33

And Broad collects his final victim in an impressive 7-wicket haul. Fantastic effort! clap

Great contributions from Anderson, Finn and Swann and a great performance from England in the field too.

Batting probably still needs some work, but in the end small totals were the order of the day for this match.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:34

GSC wrote:I'm not forcing you to agree.

Martin seems to have escaped further harm in his matchwinning innings of 1 thankfully.

Not sure i said you were trying to force me.. But ok!!

by GSC Sun 19 May - 23:35

I'm merely saying you're entitled to your opinion as always Myst. We all know by now its a futile effort to change it.

by NickisBHAFC Sun 19 May - 23:35

Well superb comedy to end the test match!!!

Great win for England, Stuart Broad different class with that bowling. Now onto the 2nd test where there is plenty to improve on.

by dyrewolfe Sun 19 May - 23:36

alfie wrote:Dyrewolfe , you are correct that KP often seems to get out to a rash shot...he isn't the first fine player to have this habit.

But he far more than makes up for it with his many matchwinning innings - and even the odd match saving one , surprisingly enough - and his overall record is excellent.

He'd walk into any team in the world.

Maybe, but as I recall England kicked him out a while back, for being a disruptive influence... Wink

Also makes you wonder why SA didn't pick him, if he's that good. I certainly wouldn't put him in the same bracket as, say Jacques Kallis.

by mystiroakey Sun 19 May - 23:36

GSC wrote:I'm merely saying you're entitled to your opinion as always Myst. We all know by now its a futile effort to change it.

You could try but in this case you would fail

anyway

kiss

by msp83 Sun 19 May - 23:49

A fabulous bowling performance from England, led from the front by Stuart Broad who has been taking some criticism of late, and a chase that looked like within range, has ended up as an outright disaster for New Zealand. I think its fair to say England weren't at their best with the bat in this game, but the bowlers compensated more than enough, and they end up winning a low-scoring match by no less than 170 runs. Brilliant start to the summer.
Joe Root continued to show maturity beyond his years, Jonathan Trott offered his usual solidity, and Broad, Anderson and Finn found themselves among the wickets.
Ones Kevin Pietersen is back, the batting will be all the more versatile and quality. Of course one of England's best batsman, one of the best in the world today, could become more consistent. Had Bradman been a bit more consistent, that average could have been in 3 figures. But KP would make this batting unit a much better one.
But I do have hopes of young Bairstow. And I feel the criticism of Nick Compton, who scored back to back tons in New Zealand besides providing a few decent starts in England's series win in India is quite unfair.

by mystiroakey Mon 20 May - 0:16

I think most of us disregard Compton's tons in NZ because the wickets were so batting friendly. But hey he did better than our other batsmen so should we judge him unfairly.

I just haven't seen anything special from him. That spark , that x factor- like we have all seen in Root.

We are pretty demanding i suppose and rightly so. We are a good test team.

by msp83 Mon 20 May - 0:26

The X stands for something extra. If everyone has that X, then the X won't have a meaning. Root is of course a fine talent with a fine temperament and maturity beyond his years. But Compton is someone who has been hardened by the demands of county cricket and looks like a player who understand his limitations and plays within that. He was adequate in India and quite good in New Zealand. I don't think the entire series was played on flat roads, and England often needed Steve Finn the batsman to bail them out of trouble. Compton doesn't look all that stylish, but I think he has done enough to earn for himself some persistence and trust.

by Shelsey93 Mon 20 May - 0:28

Shelsey93 wrote:He is a proven match-winner (v Australia at The Oval in '09, v SA in Durham '09-10, right through the series at home v India in 2011 and was awesome in defeat in the UAE). Even in NZ he produced some superb spells. For that reason he is persisted with despite his chronic inconsistency which has dogged him through his whole career.

To be honest I think England are correct to stick with him. Nothing I've seen from Finn, Bresnan or even those on the outside suggests that they are likely to do a markedly better job than Broad is. Finn is probably more out of sorts than Broad at the moment.

See what I mean now?

by mystiroakey Mon 20 May - 0:31

I have been a broad fan since the start. I was his only fan in the 606 days!

All of ya see what i see now!

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