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This is a petition to award Warren Gatland a knighthood on the successful series win over Her Majesties former colony of Australia.

I believe as a New Zealander, he is able to be awarded the honour of a knighthood, but if not the alternative honoury knighthood could be awarded.

After all Clive Woodentop got awarded a knighthood for far less an achievement. Warren Gatland has had to mould an unbeatable side together from 4 nations so that they play as one, whilst continually being questioned by armchair experts whose only goal is to criticise because their selfish nationalistic pride has been hurt.

I say we'll done Mr Gatland and welcome to the knighthood band of brothers.


Oh and let's not forget an award for Warbs ...

sirBiggles wrote:whilst continually being questioned by armchair experts whose only goal is to criticise because their selfish nationalistic pride has been hurt.

Don't really think Gatland gives two hoots about the armchair experts.

Silly article this.

Go on then... I will bite... Sir Clive got his Knighthood around 2003 while as manager of England. A quiet year to be sure where not much happened in the rugby world and he didn't really achieve anything. Not compared to thrashing a semi pro scratch team whilst on a tour. Gats gets my vote.

RDSguru wrote:

sirBiggles wrote:whilst continually being questioned by armchair experts whose only goal is to criticise because their selfish nationalistic pride has been hurt.

Don't really think Gatland gives two hoots about the armchair experts.

Silly article this.

Totally disagree, this is not a silly article.....




... It's completely stupid and pointless... But eh, that's what you get for having a few pints mid week then logging onto this forum as there's nothing on the telly...

sirBiggles wrote:

RDSguru wrote:

sirBiggles wrote:whilst continually being questioned by armchair experts whose only goal is to criticise because their selfish nationalistic pride has been hurt.

Don't really think Gatland gives two hoots about the armchair experts.

Silly article this.

Totally disagree, this is not a silly article.....




... It's completely stupid and pointless... But eh, that's what you get for having a few pints mid week then logging onto this forum as there's nothing on the telly...

Fair play

Oh and if you're bored, Professor Marcus du Sautoy explores why we are driven to measure and quantify the world around us. He begins by telling the story of the metre and the second. On BBC4 right now ...

Devalued knighthood for Gats....

Ian McGeechan got his knighthood in 2009..... 20 years after his 89 victory and 12 years after his 97 victory. I think Gatland has a way to go yet.

Couldnt care less about knighthoods but I do think Gatland has done enough in his career to be considered a NH great. A Lions series victory would really cement his status as a legend though.

Ah but everyone loves Geech  whereas only a few Welshmen love Gatland.

RDSguru wrote:Oh and if you're bored, Professor Marcus du Sautoy explores why we are driven to measure and quantify the world around us. He begins by telling the story of the metre and the second. On BBC4 right now ...  

Dammit I missed it.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

RDSguru wrote:Oh and if you're bored, Professor Marcus du Sautoy explores why we are driven to measure and quantify the world around us. He begins by telling the story of the metre and the second. On BBC4 right now ...  

Dammit I missed it.

Another devalued system that encourages people to do the simple thing, working areas and volumes in imperial keeps your mind nimble, just like LSD (the currency). Probably why we had so many great engineers. This foreign stuff all in 10's and 100's is the lazy mans measurements.

I meen, a 22 m line; weird measurement. The old 25yd is sensible even by metric standards, i.e. 1/4 of 100. They didn't change the 10m line line to 9.14m did they?

My monica says it all.

No one should be getting a knighthood - it's 2013 !!!  They should be confined to the "way out of date" bin.

If someone wants to become a knight they should be prepared to fight in Afganistan on a horse with a shield and a swiss army knife.

offload wrote:No one should be getting a knighthood - it's 2013 !!!  They should be confined to the "way out of date" bin.

If someone wants to become a knight they should be prepared to fight in Afganistan on a horse with a shield and a swiss army knife.

With the Queen sitting on her horse leading the charge?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

offload wrote:No one should be getting a knighthood - it's 2013 !!!  They should be confined to the "way out of date" bin.

If someone wants to become a knight they should be prepared to fight in Afganistan on a horse with a shield and a swiss army knife.

With the Queen sitting on her horse leading the charge?

Why not?  perhaps we need a queen on a horse emoticon 

That is the closest I can get, offload.


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ScarletSpiderman wrote:

RDSguru wrote:Oh and if you're bored, Professor Marcus du Sautoy explores why we are driven to measure and quantify the world around us. He begins by telling the story of the metre and the second. On BBC4 right now ...  

Dammit I missed it.

I wouldn't watch any documentary by a commoner, me.  Unless he becomes Sir Duke Lord of the Admiralty Professor Marcus du Sautoy, I don't think he'd have a lot to say on the subject that I'd be interested in.

offload wrote:No one should be getting a knighthood - it's 2013 !!!  They should be confined to the "way out of date" bin.

If someone wants to become a knight they should be prepared to fight in Afganistan on a horse with a shield and a swiss army knife.

I agree. Its such a silly tradition if you ask me.

Cyril on 606v2 wrote:That is the closest I can get, offload.


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  Thanks Cyril

There is nothing wrong with awarding achievement... most countries have similar systems of some type or another. The issue with the UK is that they don't necessarily award for real achievement rather its often a "jobs for the boys award" or something to appease the average Daily Mail readers.

fa0019 wrote:There is nothing wrong with awarding achievement... most countries have similar systems of some type or another. The issue with the UK is that they don't necessarily award for real achievement rather its often a "jobs for the boys award" or something to appease the average Daily Mail readers.

Maybe youre right but its the idea of a title and insisting that everyone calls that individual by that title seems a little pompous and outdated to me. Im not British anyway but even if I was I dont think I'd be referring to Alex Ferguson as Sir Alex for example.

Jeez kiwis, it's 2013, time to end the cultural cringe and if you want to honour some of your own then invent an order of the silver fern or something like that.  At least the Aussie and Canadians stopped their people from taking titles - and the Canadians even scrapped that old crook Conrad Black's citizenship when Thatcher made him a lord.

To hear the likes of Gower, Holding, Lloyd referring to Sir Ian when Beefy is sitting right beside them on Sky's cricket coverage would be hilarious if it wasn't so vomit-inducing.  And to read the Telegraph continually refer to Sir Bradley Wiggins when Brad has said he didn't want to use the sirship is equally vomit-inducing.

Oh, and to hear that little runt Ray Houghton consistently refer to Fergie as Sir Alex on RTE's soccer coverage when everybody calls him Fergie is equally cringe-inducing

offload wrote:

Why not?  perhaps we need a queen on a horse emoticon 

I thought i'd get a picture of a "queen on a horse" for you so Googled "Gareth Thomas riding bareback"...

This has got me in so much trouble...

Ray Houghton could call me Patricia and I'll still give him a free pass. He's built up a LOT of credit.

There was an older bloke at work who had the shock of his life when he googled a company we buy stuff from (Think it was S&M Gauges), and got a heap of 'other' sites suggested to him.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:There was an older bloke at work who had the shock of his life when he googled a company we buy stuff from (Think it was S&M Gauges), and got a heap of 'other' sites suggested to him.

Dont google Ireland's interim coach Les Kiss in work if you dont want to get fired.

GunsGerms wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:There was an older bloke at work who had the shock of his life when he googled a company we buy stuff from (Think it was S&M Gauges), and got a heap of 'other' sites suggested to him.

Dont google Ireland's interim coach Les Kiss in work if you dont want to get fired.

That would be a hard one....to explain to the boss.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

That would be a hard one....to explain to the boss.

Nice use of punctuation.

Submachine wrote:Ray Houghton could call me Patricia and I'll still give him a free pass. He's built up a LOT of credit.

OK, he has built up a lot of credit but I wish he's give up the "Sir Alex" sh1t.  Fergie is one of the more unpleasant individuals around and part of the reason my passion for soccer disappeared long ago.

Guns, I just tried googling him and the full first page is about rugby, I was pretty shocked by that.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Guns, I just tried googling him and the full first page is about rugby, I was pretty shocked by that.

Turn the family filter off and enjoy.

brennomac wrote:

Submachine wrote:Ray Houghton could call me Patricia and I'll still give him a free pass. He's built up a LOT of credit.

OK, he has built up a lot of credit but I wish he's give up the "Sir Alex" sh1t.  Fergie is one of the more unpleasant individuals around and part of the reason my passion for soccer disappeared long ago.

100% agree with that sentiment re Fergie.

Agreed, I LOVED football as a kid. Does nothing for me now. But that goal against England when I was watching as a 13 year old in a Spanish bar packed with Irish and English folks was an amazing experience for me.

Irish people can receive knighthoods from the Queen but are not permitted under the Irish constitution to hold a title.

However, one Irish rugby was granted the right by the Irish Govt to hold a title earned through knighthood. who is he?

Dr AJF, PHD, MA, BA FYOUCEEKAY Tony O'Reilly

Don't get me started on Mr Abbreviation.

SecretFly wrote:Dr AJF, PHD, MA, BA FYOUCEEKAY Tony O'Reilly

Dont forget Sir

I don't call nobody sir, mister!

I'm bothered that so many sportspeople, politicians, and wealthy businessmen are awarded knighthoods and honours in general where's there are so many scientists, sociologists and generally worthy people who dedicated their lives to quietly making the empire/commonwealth/country a better place who go equally silently ignored.

It's corrupt, riddled with cronyism and media driven and needs a total top down overhaul. Starting with the Queen.

Where's Ted Codd's knighthood? For instance.

GloriousEmpire wrote:Where's Ted Codd's knighthood? For instance.

"A relation is in second normal form if the relation depends on the key, the whole key, and nothing but the key, so help me Codd"

Amongst other things, I run a database business.

offload wrote:

Amongst other things, I run a database business.

Don't suppose your business is taking on?

GloriousEmpire wrote:I'm bothered that so many sportspeople, politicians, and wealthy businessmen are awarded knighthoods and honours in general where's there are so many scientists, sociologists and generally worthy people who dedicated their lives to quietly making the empire/commonwealth/country a better place who go equally silently ignored.

It's corrupt, riddled with cronyism and media driven and needs a total top down overhaul. Starting with the Queen.

Where's Ted Codd's knighthood? For instance.

I agree with you their Glorious.... if you're a Doctor, you never get recognised by the establishment unless you end up doing some government position or take some role as a secretary of a royal college or something. Nevermind the thousands of lives some of these chaps save throughout the career... 10 times more than some "jobs for the boys" pen pusher in whitehall who have done absolutely nothing in their career.

They even gave one to Robert Mugabe in the 90s. So not only did the Brits save his life a number of times during the Rhodesian bush wars we gave him a knighthood, plumped up their economy for a number of years and then how did he repay us....

Whoever thought of all of the above should hang their heads in shame!

Just goes to show what a farce they are.

RDSguru wrote:

offload wrote:

Amongst other things, I run a database business.

Don't suppose your business is taking on?

No too much right now, but feel free to PM me.

Only started this thread as a joke when there was not much else to do.... Now its turned into a political debate...

sirBiggles wrote:

Only started this thread as a joke when there was not much else to do.... Now its turned into a political debate...

Bizarre how popular satire and cynicism is compared the heart-felt objectivity of the v2 Lions debate, your ennobled Bigglesship...