Haye vs Fury.......good sources....

Fight confirmed from reliable source.

28th september at MEN arena.


Haye vs Fury.

Announcement in next week or so.

Fury better turn up in the shape of his life for this one.

Hopefully with his Uncle in the corner, he won't be so off the chain like he was against Cunningham. it was pretty obvious that he either hadn't trained as hard as he should have, or was trying to fight rather than box. We all saw against Kevin Johnson (as limited as he is), a good solid jab, and alot of punch variety. Fury in top shape, boxing to a game plan, with his variations and combinations (which for a heavy is quite impressive) will be too much for little David Haye. As long as he can overcome this susceptibility for the over hand right, he will be fine.

Haye via KO no later than 5 rounds no matter what shape fury is in.

Too quick and hits far too hard.....not only that but he has more experience at the top level as well.

Should be a walk in the park with massive money involved.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haye via KO no later than 5 rounds no matter what shape fury is in.

Too quick and hits far too hard.....not only that but he has more experience at the top level as well.

Should be a walk in the park with massive money involved.

haye is so powerful ande fur's chin is very weak so it should be a haye ko.

Not without irony that after Haye crashed that press conferance in Germany and dismissed Chisora as a loser who lost to Tyson Fury that the pair end up being his next two opponents. Hope his arm has healed up by then! I wonder will it be ppv?

There is a lot to take into consideration here for this fight. The main one for me being who will the referee be?

Fury has been allowed to do as he pleases on Hennessy cards due to being the top earner for that awful promoter of his.

In the Cunningham fight he held, pushed, hit on the back of the head, leaned etc to get Cunningham tired then pushed his face up before delivering a shot that could have seriously hurt Cunningham. No way was that final shot legal.

If the referee has the balls to jump in and be strict with Tyson then it will be interesting to see how it pans out as I feel a fair fight (skill vs skill) then Haye will win.

If Fury is allowed to perform his tricks then it could turn into a nightmare for Haye who will be zapped of a lot of energy and could end up on the floor himself.

A lot of people think this will be a walk in the park for Haye but being so inactive and the physical dimensions can only add to the possiblity that it will be much harder that most think. Alright Fury has been down a few times in his last few fights but to be honest I've been impressed in how he has got his senses back together to recouperate.

Against Cunningham he was out on his feet and instintively knew how to stay out of further danger to see the round in and then made sure it didnt happen again. Thats about the only positive I can think of for that fight.

Fury is a nutcase who tends to let the excitement get to him and I think this fight will be a barnstormer. Sky Box Office has been mentioned for this fight, so Fury with massive publicity courtisy of Sky, the world watching etc could make Fury try to take Haye's head off from the opening bell.

Looking forward to it and the more it gets talked about the more I am thinking that Fury could win this by late stoppage. I see a few knockdowns along the way on either side, but with Fury being more active and game I wouldn't rule out a "Furious" win!

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haye via KO no later than 5 rounds no matter what shape fury is in.

Too quick and hits far too hard.....not only that but he has more experience at the top level as well.

Should be a walk in the park with massive money involved.

The top level being Wladimir Klitschko who he lost too. Apart from that, Chisora, Harrison, Ruiz, Valuev & Barrett are about the level that Fury has been fighting at too. The big difference is Fury is constantly fighting at that level. Haye took years to get through all them.

good fight.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:There is a lot to take into consideration here for this fight. The main one for me being who will the referee be?

Fury has been allowed to do as he pleases on Hennessy cards due to being the top earner for that awful promoter of his.

In the Cunningham fight he held, pushed, hit on the back of the head, leaned etc to get Cunningham tired then pushed his face up before delivering a shot that could have seriously hurt Cunningham. No way was that final shot legal.

If the referee has the balls to jump in and be strict with Tyson then it will be interesting to see how it pans out as I feel a fair fight (skill vs skill) then Haye will win.

If Fury is allowed to perform his tricks then it could turn into a nightmare for Haye who will be zapped of a lot of energy and could end up on the floor himself.

This is a good point. Haye was (perhaps rightfully) intimidated by the size of Valuev, and it could be the same case here with Fury. I think Haye will be cagey and will look to use his usual style of jumping in in bursts. I don't think that the Fury that fought Cunningham was the best that he can be by any means. But, at the end of the day, I see Fury as being too easy to hit and Haye as so much faster and more athletic that he'll catch him and put him away. Kudos to both men for taking the fight if it happens. Fury would be really stepping up, and Haye would be showing a willingness to work his way up the rankings by taking on a solid top ten opponent. Excited for this one.

Fury beat Johnson fairly well.  Johnson had only lost a prize fighter fight and to Vitali.

Plus Fury has won 2 World title eliminators against live opponents in the last 6 months.

To rule him out would be unwise, despite him talking like a less than wise individual.  He is still a kid.

Come on reeborn. Who has fury fought that compares to klitschko, valuev, ruiz?

Maybe crusier cunnigham who dropped him and cheated to a win?

Bar man and actor Prajkic?

Maybe Martin Rogan the irish taxi driver?

2 round Haye KO, its a mismatch Fury is no where near the level of Haye. I did not think Hennessy would expose Fury before a title shot payday but i guess this fight is worth even more money so he is cashing Tyson's chips in a bit earlier.

wonder if you can read anything in to this:

1. Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 15m
   
2. Big shout out @peterfury the worlds best trainer& business man! & my uncle Peter love him sooooooo much! 
   

1. 
    Tyson Fury ‏@Tyson_Fury 16m
   There's only 1 mick Hennessy! The loveable rogue like me!
   

Hmmmmm possibly just had a phone call letting him know his fate is sealed.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

mobilemaster8 wrote:Haye via KO no later than 5 rounds no matter what shape fury is in.

Too quick and hits far too hard.....not only that but he has more experience at the top level as well.

Should be a walk in the park with massive money involved.

The top level being Wladimir Klitschko who he lost too. Apart from that, Chisora, Harrison, Ruiz, Valuev & Barrett are about the level that Fury has been fighting at too. The big difference is Fury is constantly fighting at that level. Haye took years to get through all them.

No way has fury fought the same level of opposition as Haye. Valuev and Ruiz and Klitschko are far better than anything Fury has fought. Even monte barrett is better than Fury's best win over kevin johnson.

Haye to spark Fury within 5 - the only "problem" he will have to deal with will be the height issue, but given Fury's lack of footwork, defence or skills it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Haye to win via brutal stoppage before the 4th.

I think saying Haye is going to walk this is over looking a few key things:

Haye might be a big puncher, but compared to the other people Haye has fought, Fury is far more active in rounds, plus has a bigger size advantage than everyone he has fought par Valuev who plodded around for 12 rounds. Haye is known to tire very quickly when keeping to a fast pace. I think in the Chisora fight, if it had gone to the later rounds, Haye would have really been struggling as he looked to be blowing hard in the 5th round. 

This will be a long and gruelling 12 round right, and I can see Fury using the jab well, quick tempo looking to get on top of Haye when he can. haye will be ducking and rolling and everytime he looks to come in, Fury will take that half step back. Wlad has already set the blue print on how to evade Haye's raid tactics..

Can't see Fury winning but also can't see Fury being as sloppy and open as he was in the fights he got knocked down in.

This fight was bound to happen. A guy like Charr was never going to generate the kind of money that would make Haye want to return to the ring.

If this fight goes ahead, it would mean 3 of Haye's last 4 opponents were against fellow Brits.


Fury is better than Audley and Chisora, but that still won't be enough for him anyway.
He's too easy to hit and Haye hits hard enough to knock him down and keep him down.

Got to back Haye by KO, I think. Fury has looked ready to go, he's wide open for that big right hand and Haye rarely lets people off the hook. Should be a cracker though.

"I think in the Chisora fight, if it had gone to the later rounds, Haye would have really been struggling as he looked to be blowing hard in the 5th round. "

This is a line that I've seen others use - can't say that I saw any evidence of it during the fight. Haye trains so that he can fight in explosive bursts and then seeks to recover by moving away from his opponent so could possibly be mistaken as him blowing hard, but don't think he was about to gas in Chisora fight.

"This will be a long and gruelling 12 round right"

Frankly I'd be amazed

This will be brilliant for boxing if it goes down. 2013 has had some great matcups and this is one that will have every arm chair fan in the country engaged, and more. Looking forward to this!

Big fight for Britain, but I really can't see anything other than a Haye KO win

Fury is bigger than Wlad but multiple levels below. He has much slower hands, less one punch power, poorer stamina, poorer jab and Wlad can keep his chin out of harms way by being able to half step away from incoming shots whereas Fury can't react as quick. So therefore comparing Fury to Wlad did useless, its all good saying he can do this and that but the bottom line is he just can't do that

He is emotionally unstable and won't have the discipline to box behind the jab

Then we get onto his chin. Cunnigham is a light punching old cruiserweight and was beating him from pillar to post before he got tired. Haye is a lot stronger, bigger, quicker and young than Cunnigham and is a great finisher. A normally light punching Chisora who weighed over 260lbs (20 mire than usual) also wobbled Tyson pretty easily and the light punching and unknown Pajkic put him down hard

Fury needs to put up his guard, try to block shots and just plow through hoping he can use his size to wear Haye down with his weight advantage as by boxing Haye will land his right over Tyson's jab with ease

ian_jamsie wrote:Fury beat Johnson fairly well.  Johnson had only lost a prize fighter fight and to Vitali.

Plus Fury has won 2 World title eliminators against live opponents in the last 6 months.

To rule him out would be unwise, despite him talking like a less than wise individual.  He is still a kid.

Were they WT eliminators? Because Fury won both and has never been #1 contender, in fact ducking the actual fight to be #1. Don't sound like eliminator fights much to me. Quarter-finals at best.

Maddy2k12 wrote:I think saying Haye is going to walk this is over looking a few key things:

Haye might be a big puncher, but compared to the other people Haye has fought, Fury is far more active in rounds, plus has a bigger size advantage than everyone he has fought par Valuev who plodded around for 12 rounds. Haye is known to tire very quickly when keeping to a fast pace. I think in the Chisora fight, if it had gone to the later rounds, Haye would have really been struggling as he looked to be blowing hard in the 5th round. 

This will be a long and gruelling 12 round right, and I can see Fury using the jab well, quick tempo looking to get on top of Haye when he can. haye will be ducking and rolling and everytime he looks to come in, Fury will take that half step back. Wlad has already set the blue print on how to evade Haye's raid tactics..

So basically your analysis revolves around Haye not landing on Fury at all?

Love the way you see Fury totally different ability-wise to pretty much anyone else who's ever seen him fight.

'Take that half step back' for a guy that almost trippedn himself up trying to do the Ali shuffle....?!

nearly done....http://http://www1.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/8773174/Talks-almost-complete-over-David-Haye-Tyson-Fury-fight

Furys size will be the key factor. Haye has struggled with boxers that are bigger than him and Fury is huge. Fury will use his size to bully and outmuscle Haye. He will be going for the knockout but this means Haye will have a chance to land a big hayemaker on him. If that happens then who knows. Fury could get up, but maybe not. I think Fury will be too big for Haye and wear him down like he won his last fight. But he might get knocked down or knocked out in the process. This will be a great fight. Im hoping Fury wins and then fights Wilder. I cant see the Klitschkos wanting to fight Fury unless he loses. They will be hoping Haye can knock him out.

amen

I think Haye might struggle with Fury's size for the simple fact that he might be psychologically scarred from Wlad.........

If not Haye all night long.......Fury is too easy to hit......

Fury's jab will be very important...Has to find one and keep Haye on the end of it....

Also needs to bring in a top class trainer..........

Everything depends on which haye turns up..

'stuggled with boxers bigger than him' - he's only fought two and is 1-1, with his loss against a divisional #1 and p4p top 10er.

What happened to the forum rule about typing in different fonts, colours and sizes....??!

Cunningham also had nothing to lose....You're right that Haye has every right to be a big favorite....Thing is though If Fury lands Haye goes too !!!

Just wonder whether the similarities of Wlad to Fury may intimidate Haye slightly..

But hey your scenario is more likely than mine.........

Just think there is a little more to this matchup than people think...

Very interesting fight,  a couple years or so ago I would have favored Haye alot,  now?  While my money might still be on him I am not as confident. 

Fury is very big decent power and can box.  He is no Audley Harrison and the other two big guys Haye has faced was a close decision win and a wipe out loss. 

I don't think Fury has a week chin like some are saying,  he has got silly got hit and went down but most do in the heavyweight division if you leave your self too open unless you have a cast iron chin.  The bottom line is he gets back up and recovers and can use his weight very well.  People say cunningham can't punch but he was very happy at the weight and looked to be hitting ok to me.. 

I think Haye will have to knock him out to win.  Fury may use his size and weight well to take Haye into deep water and get a decision...  But if I had to bet I think he might get sloppy late on and Haye get the stoppage in the 9th or 10th..  

For me no way an easy night as some are making out.  

For me it's 60% Haye late stoppage 40% Fury decision....

It's the new set up mate. I type a lot of my responses up in word or outlook so I don't get slipper at work for spending all day on here, it does not change the font back anymore. I'm an admin anyway I can do what I want.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Maddy2k12 wrote:I think saying Haye is going to walk this is over looking a few key things:

Haye might be a big puncher, but compared to the other people Haye has fought, Fury is far more active in rounds, plus has a bigger size advantage than everyone he has fought par Valuev who plodded around for 12 rounds. Haye is known to tire very quickly when keeping to a fast pace. I think in the Chisora fight, if it had gone to the later rounds, Haye would have really been struggling as he looked to be blowing hard in the 5th round. 

This will be a long and gruelling 12 round right, and I can see Fury using the jab well, quick tempo looking to get on top of Haye when he can. haye will be ducking and rolling and everytime he looks to come in, Fury will take that half step back. Wlad has already set the blue print on how to evade Haye's raid tactics..

So basically your analysis revolves around Haye not landing on Fury at all?

Love the way you see Fury totally different ability-wise to pretty much anyone else who's ever seen him fight.

'Take that half step back' :laugh:for a guy that almost trippedn himself up trying to do the Ali shuffle....?!

I can see Fury getting hit by Haye, but everyone has seen, that even if hurt, he has the instincts to get out of trouble and recovers quickly. If you watch the Johnson fight, everytime johnson looked to be coming forward Fury would take a half step. He can do it, and is far better than given credit for. I think if he gets in shape, studies the Wlad fight on how to keep away from Haye, then its going to be a long and difficult night for the Hayemaker.

But the fact an old cruiser can deck him heavily conversely shows that a big hitter like Haye is at Haevy...can really give him problems...

Two ways Fury wins...........He lands the big one first or Haye is intimidated........

Except his been hurt by non-punching nobodies!! Haye probably has top5 power in the division!!

Its an interesting fight but the way I see it is if Haye loses this, then he just isnt anything like as good as his cruiserweight career or his talk has lead us to believe.

One of Hayes favoured punches is a big powerful overhand right. Fury has put down and caught by this punch already several times in his career. If Haye cant manage to find this punch against Fury then Id seriously question if his skills are as good as made out. Although the shots that put Fury down were decent shots thrown with full venom. Its hard to get past the fact they were thrown from punchers with far less power than Haye. It might that Fury has good powers of recovery and can get up from Hayes shots but Haye shouldnt have trouble finding him.

Where I see the danger for Haye is if he focuses too heavily on looking for single shots and Furys size keeps him on the backfoot then he will give away rounds. If Fury can walk Haye down and put his size to effect then who knows? But really if Haye loses this you would have to wonder if his boxing ability as oppsed to his power is all its cracked up to be.

I really don't think Haye will be intimidated. He will have a look in the first, set a few traps and test. 

Haye has far more repertoire, flexibility, tactical nous and basic talent. If he gets stopped, it is his mistake to make, not I believe through Tysons ability.

Tyson will probably last longer than most think though as I do not doubt his sincerity about thinking he can win. He is very very determined indeed, and will probably use every trick in the book to maul, hold and frankly foul through rounds. If Peter Fury is astute he will try and get Tyson to fight roughly and slow David down. This fight WILL NOT be pretty. If David puts on the clinic that I think he will, Fury will be trying to hold an awful lot because he won't have the speed and skill to really engage in meaningful exchanges. Haye could probably throw two of three jabs for Tysons one, and combinations will be much much faster and more varied.

I appreciate the styles are different, but superficially IMO think Tyson v Bruno on this one as a general comparison - Frank ultimately just could not cope with Mikes speed and apart from that "moment" he broke through in the first fight second round he held on for dear life until stopped.

I really really pity the ref on this one!!

TRUSS, I confused why you keep saying about Haye being intimidated by Wlad's size and that he may be scarred after that fight which makes no sense

Wlad beat him with his talent, not just his size, and even though he was beat easily he did win a couple rounds, didnt take hardly any solid shots and seemed to get to buzz Wlad a little in the last round. Can't see how a fight like that can scar someone psychology

He knew he was going in against someone who is a nightmare to beat and hard to get to a fragile chin. He's now up against someone who has a fragile but that's easy to get to, completely different situations 

He's a pro boxer so I'm guessing one loss won't really effect him

I wonder if the WBC will sanction this as an eliminator for the title? Id guess they probably will.

Wlad beat him because Fury didn't engage him...........He was intimidated..

Is this fight really confirmed i.e. by both sides, or still at 99%?

We will see from this fight if the toe injury affected the tactics of the Wlad fight...to a small degree anyway

I know a lot of people ridiculed this, but what David did wrong was mention it afterwards, and  go through with the fight.

I have it on good authority from fighters that a broken toe effects balance and ability to push off into punches. The fight should not have gone ahead and been rescheduled - the injury sounds comical but the reality actually isn't. 

Someone suggested painkillers, but its not just the pain but fighting with something broken is not wise!

I see no way Fury avoids being knocked out and knocked out big, much slower than Haye with his hands and feet, doesn't carry enough power to deter Haye coming forward like Wlad did and he's got an open defence with suspect chin.

People are talking about how he needs to emulate Wlads tactics but other than size they share very few attributes.

Haye to knock Fury out within 5 rounds. Too quick, too powerful. Fury's jab isn't strong enough to keep Haye off of him, and his chin isn't strong enough to withstand the onslaught.

I'd lean towards haye for now, just don't know what the best of Fury is.