England U20 v New Zealand U20

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Game about to start. Just showing a highlight reel from 2011. Closest we've come to them before and it was a good team. Included:

Farell, Joseph, Kvesic, Launchbury, H Thomas, M Vunipola, Wade and Yarde. All with caps. Hopefully at least 5 will be in the EPS.

Anyway on to today. Can't bothered to write up teams as I'm on the iPad

http://www.rfu.com/news/2013/june/news-articles/170613_eng_u20_team_nz

BBs are going to come out madder than a box of frogs. Little bit apprehensive. England's counter-rucking has been a real plus for me. Great to see a team at this level competing in this area for once.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:I'm getting that feeling I got last Autumn. You know...that one where you're beating the Kiwis and are just waiting for hem to turn it on and destroy us.

 All England have to do is have a rest and a drink, turn round and repeat what theyve done in the first forty and this game is all theirs.

Agree Laurie, this isnt about missed chances for us. We're being covered off easily and theres not intensity at all. When easy tries like that are let in you know you have a big problem. Too loose, no power on the go...

Hammer

What our boys are doing wrong here cant be fixed in a half time chat.

The handling errors are down to focus right? I'm sure they can generally catch. Change tactics a little to stop England's counter rucks. Plenty could be changed during half time. Trust me, we've lost games from better advantages than this.

I dunno Auckland - how about 'Smash it up the middle, protect the ball at the breakdown, go wide once you've made some of the hard yards'.

Aint that the truth Hammer. Auckland I'm guessing this isn't a great BB team right? Well neither is the England team, definitely time to overhaul us.

Yeah I expect some up in momentum but something drastic needs to change for us. I'm going for a couple of individuals to break it open...we're that desperate.

Right cmon England lets have an all Northern Hemisphere final!
Oh and that means Wales have a chance of winning!

This ref is very poor at warning players and communicating before decisions are taken.

What a stupid hospital pass- put an advert out a week early as well..geez

Shifty wrote:Right cmon England lets have an all Northern Hemisphere final!
Oh and that means Wales have a chance of winning!

You're the only team to beat the Baby Blacks, right?

This is the difference with an AB side - they have the intelligence to adjust their gameplan.

http://www.ihdsports.com/index.php?id=2

C'mon England great work so far

Has LCD got ONE lineout right FFS!

The fijian Moses at lock...can an under 20 grow a beard that long?

I like the way the refs doing the scrum. Teams shouldn't push until they see the ball. Makes early drives really obvious and means the scrum should be more stable.

Shifty wrote:http://www.ihdsports.com/index.php?id=2

Thanks chap

When did Sisi come one? Was it for Hankin?

Totally wasted ARGGGGHHH!!!

Ok this ref is officially clueless, wrong decisions made for both sides.

Cmon England keep going!

I just saw 6 I think so it must be Hankins as Clifford definitely still on.

Shifty wrote:Cmon England keep going!

I'm really touched with your support

Still too loose, too upright. Terrible body positioning. They just look like tired individuals doing their own thing. Can only see this getting worse.

23-11...baabaas match 1972-73 tour- we lost that too.

bizarre, utterly bizarre decision

Taylorman wrote:Still too loose, too upright. Terrible body positioning. They just look like tired individuals doing their own thing. Can only see this getting worse.

That sums it up.

This ref....the tackler didn't role away, at all, ridiculous decision. Awful

Watson dances around too much. Ends up going sideways usually

that one was right

Well finished

much better...suddenly its intense, low, compact... savea leading by example

I really really hate this ref. Good continuity for ABs. Is this the rot setting in? I think, at this stage, England deserve the win. Plenty to play though.

England need to be careful now, that's about the first good thing New Zealand have done in 60 minutes.

Interesting last quarter. Who has the gas in the tank?

Either that kiwi is incredibly fast or that was incredibly offside

LCD to hand it right back - 3-2-1...

well stripped, 23 needs to work on his ball presenting

Slade's been pretty poor. Very bad decision making.

Some pretty aimless kicking and bad discipline. The English disease

clear forward pass

This half the ref has just reffed us out at the ruck.

good counter-rucking, after a frankly ridiculous attempt to pretend not to be tackled that should have been a penalty

how the hell has the ref just changed his interpretation of the ruck mid way through the game????

How come Beauden Barrett's got such a big little brother?

It's not fortunate for England that they had advantage is it? They did know that. Great commentating there...

CJ He let go and got to his feet and picked it up again.

I've haven't seen so much Scrappy play since the latest Scooby Doo episodes.

We're going to lose this, and I'm going to be massively peeved.

Hood83 wrote:We're going to lose this, and I'm going to be massively peeved.

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