Murray the heavy favourite now - Part II

No idea what happened to my earlier thread "Murray the heavy favourite for the title" , when I posted the orginal thread I kept Murray's grass court stats in mind which he is 7th overall and 2nd only to Federer among current players.

Now with both Nadal and Federer knocked out Murray is easily the heavy favourite, I know Djoko is still left, but all of a sudden Djoko's draw looks more tough than Murray's draw.

No Tsonga, Nadal and Fed , who can expect this luck, the real danger mens are Del Potro and Berdych and both now breathing hard on the other side of the draw.

Murray make merry of it and get the title and the no.1 for the year, Go Muzza go.

And suddenly... you are completely on the money!

The path to the final was blocked for Murray by Tsonga and Federer/Nadal. Now all 3 of those are gone. He can't have wished for an easier path to the final now, so what a chance for Murray to end 77 years of hurt.

Be interesting how Andy handles been the clear favourite in his half. If he revels in it and breezes through, then yes it will have been an advantage

Duty281 wrote:The path to the final was blocked for Murray by Tsonga and Federer/Nadal. Now all 3 of those are gone. He can't have wished for an easier path to the final now, so what a chance for Murray to end 77 years of hurt.

The path was never blocked by Tsonga, who I'd argue Andy relishes playing out of any of the Top 20 (other than Cilic!!)

Don't take this wrong Murray fans, but I feel tennis desperately needs Andy & Novak to go out soon too. Week two would be like breathing fresh air.

I have never in my life seen a draw open up like this. It's startling.

What's the highest ranked player it is possible for Andy to face before the final?

HM Murdoch wrote:I have never in my life seen a draw open up like this. It's startling.

What's the highest ranked player it is possible for Andy to face before the final?

Unbelievably, I think it's Almagro at #15.

Silver wrote:

HM Murdoch wrote:I have never in my life seen a draw open up like this. It's startling.

What's the highest ranked player it is possible for Andy to face before the final?

Unbelievably, I think it's Almagro at #15.

That's astonishing.

We've been talking in fractions but I think Andy must be the overwhelming favourite now.

bogbrush wrote:Don't take this wrong Murray fans, but I feel tennis desperately needs Andy & Novak to go out soon too. Week two would be like breathing fresh air.

Add Berdych and Del Potro and I might look forward to it

Could you imagine, say (I've not checked the possibilities) of Gasquet and Tomic playing each other in the final. They'd be falling over each other to lose it!!

Very true, he'll never have a better opportunity. Though he'll need to go through some form horses - a route of Robredo, Youzhny, Gulbis and Janowicz is still pretty perilous, despite the lower rankings.

15 - Almagro (SF)
20 - Youzhny (4r)
22 - Monaco (QF)
24 - Janowicz (SF)
25 - Paire (SF)

The seeds left in Murray's half.

bogbrush wrote:Don't take this wrong Murray fans, but I feel tennis desperately needs Andy & Novak to go out soon too. Week two would be like breathing fresh air.

I see what you're saying and I have no feelings of dislike towards either of them.

kingraf wrote:And suddenly... you are completely on the money!

Last year I said Murray will finish no.1 and will win a GS after his Wimbledon loss and the 2nd thing happened already lemme see whether the 1st thing will happen or not, but believe me everybody in this forum mocked me including Murray fans when I said he will be a future no.1 once for sure, now I wish how would the forum react when that happens

Thing is though, for all the talk about easy draws, the last days have shown us that anyone is vulnerable.

It's not just Andy - every player left in the draw will see this as tournament as a huge opportunity now.

I expect more upsets.

HM Murdoch wrote:Thing is though, for all the talk about easy draws, the last days have shown us that anyone is vulnerable.

It's not just Andy - every player left in the draw will see this as tournament as a huge opportunity now.

I expect more upsets.

Thats true but Andy is the heavy favourite to win the title however.

break_in_the_fifth wrote:

bogbrush wrote:Don't take this wrong Murray fans, but I feel tennis desperately needs Andy & Novak to go out soon too. Week two would be like breathing fresh air.

I see what you're saying and I have no feelings of dislike towards either of them.

I think it would be disappointing if we get the same old feeling of Murray/Djokovic, but at the same time I don't think they can just go too random and end up with something completely bizarre like Monaco v Melzer.

ryan86 wrote:15 - Almagro (SF)
20 - Youzhny (4r)
22 - Monaco (QF)
24 - Janowicz (SF)
25 - Paire (SF)

The seeds left in Murray's half.

Robredo

I don't care as much if Murray wins now, if he wanted to he should have done in 2009-2011. He was better than all the players that won it in those years.

Hopefully Murray can keep his head while all around him in the BBC studios are losing theirs!

break_in_the_fifth wrote:I don't care as much if Murray wins now, if he wanted to he should have done in 2009-2011. He was better than all the players that won it in those years.

Wouldn't he have won one of them if he were?

ChequeredJersey wrote:

break_in_the_fifth wrote:I don't care as much if Murray wins now, if he wanted to he should have done in 2009-2011. He was better than all the players that won it in those years.

Wouldn't he have won one of them if he were?

David Ferrer

HM Murdoch wrote:Thing is though, for all the talk about easy draws, the last days have shown us that anyone is vulnerable.

It's not just Andy - every player left in the draw will see this as tournament as a huge opportunity now.

I expect more upsets.

Agree with this. Actually Murray is still second favourite to Djokovic with the bookies. Not sure why so many people are writing him off. He has after all won Wimbledon previously. Murray is undeniably favourite to get to the final from his side of the draw but who would have thought that Federer and Nadal would be out by Wednesday evening of the first week and that other potential QF rivals in Tsonga and Cilic would also be gone through injury. So to get there he will have to stay very focussed and treat his opponents in the same manner as he would if it were Federer or Nadal.

I aint saying anything, there plently of work to be done... hes experienced enough to understand that

I don't think Murray is favourite because my tip before it started, Novak Djokovic, is still in the tournament.

You would imagine if both play fairly well that will be the final... But even saying that makes me nervous after what we've seen so far! I mean we've seen Fedal go out to players outside the top 100!

But I edge Novak personally.

There's some bloke called Stakhovsky in Andy's quarter but I can't imagine he'll trouble any of the top players.

time please wrote:Hopefully Murray can keep his head while all around him in the BBC studios are losing theirs!

Yep, very much a case of "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs", for Murray.

Looking at the draw, he SHOULD make the final. Then Fed SHOULD have made the QF, etc. Exciting times.

time please wrote:Hopefully Murray can keep his head while all around him in the BBC studios are losing theirs!

I won't say BBC studios are losing theirs coz they never had one.

The way I see it is that if Federer and Nadal can lose to players ranked 100+ then so can Murray. Hopefully, he can avoid all the media hoo-hah and take one match at a time. Remember that his potential semi opponent is Janowicz who beat him at the end of last year so I am not counting my chickens. In any case the way things have panned out makes it a double-edged sword. More pressure and expectaion and an increased chance (if he makes it) of going into the final under-cooked.

ChequeredJersey wrote:

break_in_the_fifth wrote:I don't care as much if Murray wins now, if he wanted to he should have done in 2009-2011. He was better than all the players that won it in those years.

Wouldn't he have won one of them if he were?

Yeah but the best player doesn't always win.

I think Stakhovsky and Darcis' performances were completely out of the blue. Darcis was superb and I'm not sure how to describe Sergiy's performance except unique. Does Robredo have the weapons to beat Murray? Not really. Youzhny or Troicki? Maybe the Colonel. Gulbis, Monaco or Verdasco? Probably yes to Gulbis and Verdasco, no to Monaco, and Gulbis and Verdasco could blow themselves out before the QF. In the other quarter, you're looking at Paire, Almagro or Janowicz. Frankly, I don't know which Paire would turn up so he's an unknown quantity. Murray would probably crush Almagro on grass again so, funnily enough, Janowicz is the most dangerous and there's no guarantee he'd get there. And after typing this I've completely forgotten what the point I'm trying to make was....

But it will be one helluva a tournament if all Big 4 fails and would be the best if Ferrer takes it

CaledonianCraig wrote:The way I see it is that if Federer and Nadal can lose to players ranked 100+ then so can Murray. Hopefully, he can avoid all the media hoo-hah and take one match at a time. Remember that his potential semi opponent is Janowicz who beat him at the end of last year so I am not counting my chickens. In any case the way things have panned out makes it a double-edged sword. More pressure and expectaion and an increased chance (if he makes it) of going into the final under-cooked.

Aye, that's the swing of it. Want Janowicz to make the SFs now, let's see what he's made of.

invisiblecoolers wrote:But it will be one helluva a tournament if all Big 4 fails and would be the best if Ferrer takes it

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Special Juan wrote:I think Stakhovsky and Darcis' performances were completely out of the blue.  Darcis was superb and I'm not sure how to describe Sergiy's performance except unique.  Does Robredo have the weapons to beat Murray?  Not really.  Youzhny or Troicki?  Maybe the Colonel.  Gulbis, Monaco or  Verdasco?  Probably yes to Gulbis and Verdasco, no to Monaco, and Gulbis and Verdasco could blow themselves out before the QF.  In the other quarter, you're looking at Paire, Almagro or Janowicz.  Frankly, I don't know which Paire would turn up so he's an unknown quantity.  Murray would probably crush Almagro on grass again so, funnily enough, Janowicz is the most dangerous and there's no guarantee he'd get there.   And after typing this I've completely forgotten what the point I'm trying to make was....

Lemme know when you remember it.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

invisiblecoolers wrote:But it will be one helluva a tournament if all Big 4 fails and would be the best if Ferrer takes it

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know you would put your mods position at stake to prevent it happen

Murray and Djokovic are solid in a way that Fed and Nadal weren't and haven't been lately.

break_in_the_fifth wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

break_in_the_fifth wrote:I don't care as much if Murray wins now, if he wanted to he should have done in 2009-2011. He was better than all the players that won it in those years.

Wouldn't he have won one of them if he were?

Yeah but the best player doesn't always win.

Isn't that how we tend to define "the best player"? The one who wins any given match? Or Tournament, for that matter

Exactly.

Can I remind everyone of my line prior to the tournamrnt starting? Whoever ends up winning it will have deserved it. And yes folks that DOES include Murray and Djokovic.

The ground is going to become a lot slower and emulate clay in the second week, who does that favour?

CaledonianCraig wrote:The way I see it is that if Federer and Nadal can lose to players ranked 100+ then so can Murray. Hopefully, he can avoid all the media hoo-hah and take one match at a time. Remember that his potential semi opponent is Janowicz who beat him at the end of last year so I am not counting my chickens. In any case the way things have panned out makes it a double-edged sword. More pressure and expectaion and an increased chance (if he makes it) of going into the final under-cooked.

:Well said Craig Nobody would have dreamt that either Roger or Rafa would have recognised either opponent as a potential banana skin. Opponents to be treated with respect yes but never that they could both produce the standard of tennis that they did. Andy has already said and I believe Novak likewise that nothing can be taken for granted ..every opponent is a threat. The underdogs are seeing that they have a chance and their mindest will be on doing the same when they go on court against Andy and Novak.. and please, whilst we are at it, let us not discount Ferrer in all of this his chances now are as good as anyone elses

ChequeredJersey wrote:The ground is going to become a lot slower and emulate clay in the second week, who does that favour?

Is that fact or supposition? If fact then it will favour Novak no doubt.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:The ground is going to become a lot slower and emulate clay in the second week, who does that favour?

Is that fact or supposition? If fact then it will favour Novak no doubt.

It's supposition, based on last year

break_in_the_fifth wrote:Murray and Djokovic are solid in a way that Fed and Nadal weren't and haven't been lately.

Excuse me Nadal wasn´t solid lately ???? what the hell was he doing before Wimbledon.

CaledonianCraig wrote:The way I see it is that if Federer and Nadal can lose to players ranked 100+ then so can Murray. Hopefully, he can avoid all the media hoo-hah and take one match at a time. Remember that his potential semi opponent is Janowicz who beat him at the end of last year so I am not counting my chickens. In any case the way things have panned out makes it a double-edged sword. More pressure and expectaion and an increased chance (if he makes it) of going into the final under-cooked.

No, lets not forget this only happened because Nadal is crocked and Federer near the end.

ryan86 wrote:15 - Almagro (SF)
20 - Youzhny (4r)
22 - Monaco (QF)
24 - Janowicz (SF)
25 - Paire (SF)

The seeds left in Murray's half.

Isn't Raonic in Murray's half?

Too late for Murray to win wimbledon legitimately I'm afraid. The other players are ok though they'll have avoided an in form Darcis.

Haddie-nuff wrote:

break_in_the_fifth wrote:Murray and Djokovic are solid in a way that Fed and Nadal weren't and haven't been lately.

Excuse me Nadal wasn´t solid lately ???? what the hell was he doing before Wimbledon.

Nadal has lost to relative unknowns before. He is pretty strange in that his record against the top players is incredible but he can lose to "lesser" players

Danny_1982 wrote:

ryan86 wrote:15 - Almagro (SF)
20 - Youzhny (4r)
22 - Monaco (QF)
24 - Janowicz (SF)
25 - Paire (SF)

The seeds left in Murray's half.

Isn't Raonic in Murray's half?

Daveed has him. Robredo is though (Murray meets him next).

ChequeredJersey wrote:The ground is going to become a lot slower and emulate clay in the second week, who does that favour?

I think you might have forgotten that Ferrer is essentially a clay court player.. the way this tournament is going nobody can be discounted.