20 greatest Brits of alltime - by the Bleacher report.

20. Duke mckenzie

19. John Conteh

18 Frank Bruno

17 Henry Cooper

14. Tommy Farr

13 Naseem Hamed

12 Lloyd Honeyghan

11 Barry Mcguigan

10 Ricky Hatton

9 Nigel Benn  

8 Chris Eubank

7 Ken Buchanan

6. Randy Turpin

5. Lennox Lewis

4. Joe Calzaghe

3. Bob Fitzsimmons

2. Ted Kid Lewis

1. Jack Boughton...................????

Honey above Hamed ??..........Bruno in a top 20  and above Mckenzie..........Benn and Eubank above Hatton ??........Mcguigan above Honey and Hamed ??

Gotta be kidding me...........Surely if Fitz is on the list he has to be NUMBER 1 !!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy Wilde???

Behind Oscar at 22....

really? Wow, Henry Cooper, is above Jimmy Wilde?

Bruno is above Conteh so what are you surprised about...

John Conteh at 19. Behind Bruno. Behind Cooper.

He would have beaten Benn and Eubank in the same evening.

Might has well have stuck Matt Skelton on there for all the use that list has.

True TRUSSMAN,

no idea who compiled the list but it could have been done by a random number generator....

To be honest the minute you have a list of great brits without Wilde it becomes impossible to take it seriously. Also as you have said if you're going to include Fitz he has to be top. Also as I have argued many a time if you include Fitz you should really include Mclarnin.

Very, very poor list.

Is it retired boxers only? If not Froch should be there.

And I'd have Benn and Eubank above Hatton Truss.

For what it is worth my top ten at the minute reads something like this.

1 Ted Kid Lewis
2 Wilde
3 Lennox Lewis
4 Freddie Welsh
5 Calzaghe
6 Driscoll
7 Buchanan
8 Moran
9 Conteh
10 Hamed

Caveat that if you include Fitz he is top of the pile and everyone else moves down a place.

What is the difference between the time Fitz spent over here and Lennox ????

and do you really think had Canada been a bigger sporting nation Lewis comes here ??

Fitz number 1 on my list.........Or Lewis and Fitz get excluded..

I'm claiming fitz and Lennox. Both born here. Good enough for me. Especially when you consider how dire the list looks without them.

Think the list compiler had a sense of humour, a few obvious omissions and a bare knuckle boy at number 1

Think his first choice was to show he was a connoisseur..

Personally would not include a bareknuckle guy but putting one in and ignoring the likes of Mace and Mendoza just seems odd, as Truss has said smacks of trying to be clever/controversial.

When I say 'has a sense of humour' I mean they're a comedian... In the smart arse sense. Looks like we're in agreement on the guy's motives

Never thought for one minute you were a smart arse... 

Touché

French is a boring language...You know any German ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:French is a boring language...You know any German ??

Heathen. French is a beautiful language. Adds an extra 0.75 on their chicks ratings.

My eyesight is probably failing but I can't see Benny Lynch in the top 20. Surely a lot better than Henry Cooper, Duke McKenzie & maybe Barry McGuigan.

I'm american I think the French are cowardly slime........

I'd have let Germany keep it during the war........after all

They didn't owe us as much money as you......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:French is a boring language...You know any German ??

Knockwurst

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm american I think the French are cowardly slime........

I'd have let Germany keep it during the war........after all

They didn't owe us as much money as you......

Not cowardly, just lazy. Fighting would get in the way of eating and pi55ing it up.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm american I think the French are cowardly slime........

How quickly things get forgotten. The French helped you out during the Revolutionary War. Without their help you might never have kicked out the Brits.

Id rank Ricky Hatton above Hamed.

Everybody has kicked the Brits out.........India being the last..

Do me a favor..

mobilemaster8 wrote:Id rank Ricky Hatton above Hamed.

Why mobile......elaborate.........

Can't really speak about the oldies but I'd have this as the top 10 in my era

Lewis
Calzaghe
Hamed
Eubank
Benn
Froch
Mackenzie
Hatton
Haye
Woods

How is mckenzie above Hatton ???

For me he was involved in more 'super fights' and fought the two best p4p fighters of his generation. Even though he lost.

he was also LWW champ having beaten some quality fighters and was also a two weight world champ.

he was also the highest draw we have had probably ever.

30 thousand fans in the us? His following was huge.

Naz, without doubt, was a class operator, but when he finally faced a genuine decent fighter of a high calibre, he lost. He then beat some Spanish bloke and retired.

Just lacked his potential which for me puts Hatton ahead.

Interesting call mobile.........I have them close..........People do forget Hatton was a superfighter.....and top p4per..

Apart from Lewis can't think of anyone else who has reached that accolade..

Exactly Truss. Named was unified featherweight champ and beat some good named fighters, but against the top guys he came up short, even though it was just once. Had he fulfilled his potential, who knows what he could have done.

I just think Lewis, Calzaghe and Hatton get on the list with accomplishments alone let alone there actual career.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Exactly Truss. Named was unified featherweight champ and beat some good named fighters, but against the top guys he came up short, even though it was just once. Had he fulfilled his potential, who knows what he could have done.

Only one top guy...........Boom boom and Kelly were highly thought of.......

Top 5 for me..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How is mckenzie above Hatton ???

Mackenzie won a few belts after first winning the IBF title. Hatton won a belt against Tszyu (comparatively) quite late on in his career and I think a cynic can question the level of competition he beat from then on - maussa, urango, castillo, collazo, lazcano and malignaggi.

A cynic can question mckenzie losing to Dave Mcaulay........and beating old crud like Gaby canizales too.......

Think there is something of a dismissal of how good Naz was in his day. Whilst I would not argue that his loss to Barrera and disappearance from the scene hurts him and he certainly does not have a stand out win to rank with Kostya he still did a lot in the game.

For a good three year period he was the premier featherweight in the world and whilst the likes of Vazquez, Johnson, Kelley and Medina were not as Kostya’s level they were good solid fighters with proven track records at the top level of the sport and Naz breezed through most with barely a blip along the way (Kelley being the obvious exception). Also worth remembering that governing body nonsense aside he unified the division.

Often think Naz suffers from a similar thing to Tyson, because he fell short of his potential or the levels folk were tipping for him he is sometimes given a rough ride but looked at objectively rather than against the expectation early in his career his achievements do not stack up too shabbily.

mobilemaster8 wrote:For me he was involved in more 'super fights' and fought the two best p4p fighters of his generation. Even though he lost.

he was also LWW champ having beaten some quality fighters and was also a two weight world champ.

he was also the highest draw we have had probably ever.

30 thousand fans in the us? His following was huge.

Naz, without doubt, was a class operator, but when he finally faced a genuine decent fighter of a high calibre, he lost. He then beat some Spanish bloke and retired.

Just lacked his potential which for me puts Hatton ahead.

Mm8 would have to disagree with pretty much all of that assessment... its very one-eyed in my view.

Hatton fought 2 great fighters at their peaks... and they destroyed him. They were the only 2  fighters he fought that weren't either incredibly lucky, or past their best. He was brilliantly managed, and since when was a fan base indicative of the quality of a fighter? Credit for the Tszyu win, though he was nearly 36 and never fought again.

Naz lost his way post ingle and its hugely disappointing he didn't fight on, but he was still on his feet at the end against Barrera, and beat plenty of decent fighters if not any great ones.

Rowley wrote:Think there is something of a dismissal of how good Naz was in his day. Whilst I would not argue that his loss to Barrera and disappearance from the scene hurts him and he certainly does not have a stand out win to rank with Kostya he still did a lot in the game.

For a good three year period he was the premier featherweight in the world and whilst the likes of Vazquez, Johnson, Kelley and Medina were not as Kostya’s level they were good solid fighters with proven track records at the top level of the sport and Naz breezed through most with barely a blip along the way (Kelley being the obvious exception). Also worth remembering that governing body nonsense aside he unified the division.

Often think Naz suffers from a similar thing to Tyson, because he fell short of his potential or the levels folk were tipping for him he is sometimes given a rough ride but looked at objectively rather than against the expectation early in his career his achievements do not stack up too shabbily.

He suffers from bully syndrome.....He didn't like it up him....Tyson did at least come back..........

Maybe Naz was smarter..........He was good but his exit left him open to criticism..Unfairly so perhaps..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:A cynic can question mckenzie losing to Dave Mcaulay........and beating old crud like Gaby canizales too.......

How many Hatton 'wins' do you really rate.

For me Tszyu, Malignaggi and Collazo were world class wins. I don't see much after that. Not helped by being very incompetitve in his 2 biggest fights and I don't think anyone could say he was a technical boxer.

Kosta..........alone puts him above mckenzie........

Very true milky and i know that fan base has no bearing was just saying really.

i do though feel that Hattons wins over Urango, Castillo, Collazo, Tszyu and Malignaggi compare if not beat the "good" fighters Hamed beat........what you think?

Why would Hatton's fan base have any bearing his ranking?

That just makes him a more popular fighter than Hamed, not a better one. Both great salesmen in their own right. Hatton played the 'man of the people' role to perfection, backed by the footy crowd, whereas Naz went down the Mayweather/Broner route of being exceptionally boastful and cocky, hoping people turned up to watch him lose. The money roles in, whichever role you choose.

Hamed's record has far more substance to it than Hatton's, one exceptional win aside. If you think the Tszyu fight alone is worth more value than Hamed's consistency, then I can see why you rank him higher, but not for me.

Plus Hatton says 'ickle' which demotes him 5 places anyway.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Kosta..........alone puts him above mckenzie........

Curry win for Honyghan or Tzsyu win for Hatton?

seanmichaels wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Kosta..........alone puts him above mckenzie........

Curry win for Honyghan or Tzsyu win for Hatton?

What is that to do with Mckenzie..

Hahaha Windows! Ickle is annoyance. Should throw that in the Annoyance thread!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Kosta..........alone puts him above mckenzie........

Curry win for Honyghan or Tzsyu win for Hatton?

What is that to do with Mckenzie..

The fact that you rate Hatton above others for 1 win over the p4p no.3. Wanted to know how Honeyghan's win over the p4p no.1 effects his rating.

Who said I rate him above others for one win.....

Never said that......said Kosta is enough for mckenzie.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Who said I rate him above others for one win.....

Never said that......said Kosta is enough for mckenzie.

You did? You said you rate him higher than mackenzie for the Tzsyu fight alone?