Wales four regions 'ready to take legal action against WRU'

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Wales' regions reportedly could take legal action for the right to play in cross-border tournaments without permission from their governing body.
According to the Guardian newspaper  the regions are to have talks with the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) next week.
The regions want to play against English clubs, rather than be forced by the WRU to compete in the Heineken Cup.
They are also upset the WRU reportedly tried to persuade Wales players not to sign new deals with the regions.
They claim that happened during the autumn internationals with Sam Warburton, Alun Wyn Jones and Leigh Halfpenny, who are all coming out of regional contracts, among those believed to have been spoken to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/25255119

dragon999 wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

TJ wrote:It was in response to quins saying

it's no coincidence that all the money in the game of club rugby is in the leagues that have professional, privately run clubs.

which is actually a long way from the truth.  The Ap clubs and French clubs run huge losess - deficits - millions a year in  many cases

The Rabo is by and large on a much firmer financial foundation not requiring sugar daddies to burn money to be competative

The Rabo sugar daddies are the unions. The only difference is the English and French sugar daddies put up their own money.

           So you  think Martin Hazell & Tony Brown don't put their own money into the Dragons? Please don't comment on things you patently know nothing about -  thank you

Sorry, was going to caveat it with "except the regions" but couldn't be bothered to edit it. Turns out that was a mistake. I think it's been established that the WRU only give for what they get (like the RFU).

The comment was aimed at those that claim they don't have sugar daddies.

HammerofThunor wrote:The Rabo sugar daddies are the unions. The only difference is the English and French sugar daddies put up their own money.

     

Their own money?  I thought the money is largely merchandise, booze, ticket sales, sponsorship, TV deals and League/ERC prize money?

Their - own - money??  As in money they earn themselves?  Hmm, same as IRFU then.  

Rather than pointing out the homeliness of 'private' English clubs - family run little businesses that are struggling in a big bad world of overbearing Unions...try instead seeing how very UN-family run little businesses these 'struggling' professional clubs are, both in England and France; where some of them have budgets and business structures that would put many big bad Unions to shame. (cue PRL and LNR)  
There is nothing cozy and "payin' out of me own pockits, mate" cute about modern professional privately owned clubs.  They're as corporately clinical and conglomerate icy-cold as any ancient Union.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Notch wrote:The crazy thing is that the WRU are in profit. Why on earth isn't that money being invested back into the game?

The regions need to surrender some autonomy to the WRU in exchange for funding to keep internationals and offset the cost of their absence and the increased cover needed in international windows.

Yet, bizarrely, both sides are opposed to this common sense solution.

The WRU profits are invested in to the game. The whole game in Wales not just the regions. The regions want to be independent franchises. Unless that changes then i cant see any further funding from the WRU.

The regions have had ten years to figure out how to run a successful business in their industry, they still can't do it.

Whatever you say mm, but the simple fact is, regionalism was/is a total sham and many never bought into the WRU invention.

To add, the Celtic/Magners/Rabo has always been simply a kickabout. I therefore blame the "regions" and the WRU for the present crisis.

The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

Are they? Care to elaborate?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

Are they? Care to elaborate?

Well, if they can't come top of a league that is simply a 'kickabout' then they're not doing a great job, are they?

Munchkin wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

Are they? Care to elaborate?

Well, if they can't come top of a league that is simply a 'kickabout' then they're not doing a great job, are they?

A "kickabout" usually isn't taken that seriously.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

Are they? Care to elaborate?

Well, if they can't come top of a league that is simply a 'kickabout' then they're not doing a great job, are they?

A "kickabout" usually isn't taken that seriously.

Ah right. Should have realised, None of the players of the four regions don't play for the shirt, the fans, or their pay packet, because they don't take it seriously.

Munchkin wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed badly run and badly coached what do you expect?

Are they? Care to elaborate?

Well, if they can't come top of a league that is simply a 'kickabout' then they're not doing a great job, are they?

A "kickabout" usually isn't taken that seriously.

Ah right. Should have realised, None of the players of the four regions don't play for the shirt, the fans, or their pay packet, because they don't take it seriously.

Wrong. The chosen players of course want to win.

The regions are badly managed and badly coached. Gatland makes welsh players actually over perform and stretch themselves. None of them have won anything of note at club level despite winning 6 nations titles ands grandslams given that you dismiss the league as a kick about. Look at the people currently coaching the welsh regions what do they have in common they failed elsewhere before getting a nice cosy regional jobs for the boys. Commericial all of the regions lose money they fail at marketing themselves and attracting paying supporters

TJ wrote:It was in response to quins saying

it's no coincidence that all the money in the game of club rugby is in the leagues that have professional, privately run clubs.

which is actually a long way from the truth.  The Ap clubs and French clubs run huge losess - deficits - millions a year in  many cases

The Rabo is by and large on a much firmer financial foundation not requiring sugar daddies to burn money to be competative

i love the fact that you think a union sugar daddy is any way different from a club owner.

if irish, welsh and scottish clubs were accounted for in the same way that english and french ones are,its abundantly clear who would be losing more money per club, especially with the new 1/3 per league HC division, and the top14 getting EUR100m per annum for its domestic league

quinsforever wrote:i love the fact that you think a union sugar daddy is any way different from a club owner.

Quins, your Headman of PRL thinks the two are fundamentally different. That's his whole hypothesis. Now even you say you don't believe him? Welcome to the the dark side where the rest of us reside. But you're late...too late to change his tunnel vision view of the world.

Chosen players? The 23? Yes, they want to win, and this is more than evident in some of the games I've watched against Irish sides. This tells me, along with reading the regions fans comments before, and after, games, that playing in the Rabo is more than just a 'kickabout' to them.
I have noticed some of those desiring the regions to enter the AP also now treating the Rabo with contempt, at least in attitude. This to me demonstrates a disrespect for their own teams, players and all others who participate. Some of those same fans then complain about poor attendance at their games. Well, if their attitude is projecting to those who show interest in the sport, and the regions, it's not really going to inspire potential fans to come to the games, is it?

SecretFly wrote:

quinsforever wrote:i love the fact that you think a union sugar daddy is any way different from a club owner.

Quins, your Headman of PRL thinks the two are fundamentally different.  That's his whole hypothesis.  Now even you say you don't believe him?  Welcome to the the dark side where the rest of us reside.  But you're late...too late to change his tunnel vision view of the world.

no, he just thinks that if there is no accountability for subsidising teams (unions) that cannot coexist with the ultimate accountability of having to reach into your own pocket to pay for any losses.

Isnt he one of these Meat trombone soloist bankers that the state bailed out?

no, they're all still in ireland

No wonder Dai Young naffed off out of it. And Nige.

quinsforever wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

quinsforever wrote:i love the fact that you think a union sugar daddy is any way different from a club owner.

Quins, your Headman of PRL thinks the two are fundamentally different.  That's his whole hypothesis.  Now even you say you don't believe him?  Welcome to the the dark side where the rest of us reside.  But you're late...too late to change his tunnel vision view of the world.

no, he just thinks that if there is no accountability for subsidising teams (unions) that cannot coexist with the ultimate accountability of having to reach into your own pocket to pay for any losses.

PRL divide out specified monies between all clubs - yes? Club-stand alone heros taking loose change out of their pockets to pay for player sandwitches after training is quite simply bullschit, Quins. PRL is a conglomerate. The clubs share and share alike as they make joint profits together in their AP. And of course, we all know now that they sell rights as a grouping too
There are no poor piggy bank pockets in expensive sponsorship/TV rights/merchandising/alcohol/tickets professional AP sport.

quinsforever wrote:no, they're all still in ireland

Nope... those guys were in London and Germany.... the unsecured bondholders (gamblers) who bet on a horse that didn't win and Ireland were told to still pay them their 'winnings'... by the lovely Germany led EU. Another PRL type job on that contract. No wonder we said no to poor McCafferty... there is only so much schit even a dumb schithead can take

  

SecretFly wrote:

quinsforever wrote:no, they're all still in ireland

Nope... those guys were in London and Germany.... the unsecured bondholders (gamblers) who bet on a horse that didn't win and Ireland were told to still pay them their 'winnings'... by the lovely Germany led EU.   Another PRL type job on that contract.  No wonder we said no to poor McCafferty... there is only so much schit even a dumb schithead can take

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed and badly coached.

Best tell the supporters of the Drags, Os, Scarlets and Cardiff.

so you use their interest rates, borrow their money, undercut their taxes, and expect their sympathy? the uk i note extended bilateral loans directly to ireland and was nothing to do with what france and germany enforced upon ireland.

so all those having borrowed and benefited fled for london and germany?

london doesnt even have the same currency. and germany lent the money. so whose banks and bankers got bailed out at the cost of the financial sovereignty of an entire nation? hmmm...

tecphobe wrote:  

SecretFly wrote:

quinsforever wrote:no, they're all still in ireland

Nope... those guys were in London and Germany.... the unsecured bondholders (gamblers) who bet on a horse that didn't win and Ireland were told to still pay them their 'winnings'... by the lovely Germany led EU.   Another PRL type job on that contract.  No wonder we said no to poor McCafferty... there is only so much schit even a dumb schithead can take

he heard you

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed and badly coached.  

Best tell the supporters of the Drags, Os, Scarlets and Cardiff.

Well I would imagine if you followed said teams unless you live in a cave you already know this

tecphobe wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed and badly coached.  

Best tell the supporters of the Drags, Os, Scarlets and Cardiff.

Well I would imagine if you followed said teams unless you live in a cave you already know this

I follow one team. Clearly you follow none of the above.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

tecphobe wrote:The regions are badly managed and badly coached.  

Best tell the supporters of the Drags, Os, Scarlets and Cardiff.

Well I would imagine if you followed said teams unless you live in a cave you already know this

I follow one team. Clearly you follow none of the above.

seems like he barely follows rugby.

My son plays underage in the blues Catchment area I've been to the arms park on many an occasion. Cardiff has probably got one of the greatest rugby catchment area outside of New Zeeland and cant put together a winning side. And you say I know nothing about rugby ? Munster won 3 Heinken cups with a player base not dissimilar to the valleys. And you still try and claim Cardiff has been well run?

quinsforever wrote:so you use their interest rates, borrow their money, undercut their taxes, and expect their sympathy? the uk i note extended bilateral loans directly to ireland and was nothing to do with what france and germany enforced upon ireland.

so all those having borrowed and benefited fled for london and germany?

london doesnt even have the same currency. and germany lent the money. so whose banks and bankers got bailed out at the cost of the financial sovereignty of an entire nation? hmmm...

Do you know what a loan is?  It's "I give you money and you pay me back with interest"  By the time Ireland pay back the kindly offered loans they'll have given the loaners a healthy profit.  By the time we pay back everything we never owed we'll bloody well own Europe, in that they'll owe us big time for keeping their little sleazy EU project alive.  OH and by Christ............... we'll remember that they owe us  We have a long memory as many people know.

SecretFly wrote:

quinsforever wrote:so you use their interest rates, borrow their money, undercut their taxes, and expect their sympathy? the uk i note extended bilateral loans directly to ireland and was nothing to do with what france and germany enforced upon ireland.

so all those having borrowed and benefited fled for london and germany?

london doesnt even have the same currency. and germany lent the money. so whose banks and bankers got bailed out at the cost of the financial sovereignty of an entire nation? hmmm...

Do you know what a loan is?  It's "I give you money and you pay me back with interest"  By the time Ireland pay back the kindly offered loans they'll have given the loaners a healthy profit.  By the time we pay back everything we never owed we'll bloody well own Europe, in that they'll owe us big time for keeping their little sleazy EU project alive.  OH and by Christ............... we'll remember that they owe us  We have a long memory as many people know.

i actually agree with you there SF. i think the irish politicians who underwrote your banks should be shot, and second bite at the cherry, they should have threatened to let the subordinated debt holders in germany and france go in order to get a much better deal for ireland.