Frampton v Santa Cruz

Frampton calls Cruz out, Cruz does the same back. Goldenboy like it, mcguigan likes it. Frank Warren hasn't commented. Looks like this fight happens in the U.S. next year.

It can only be a good fight in my eyes, what do you guys think?

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Would love this fight!

Tough one to call too, Frampton is the slickest boxer that Cruz will have fought and he shows he can be troubled by boxers, but at the same time Cruz has fought at a higher level and is the most relentless fighter frampton will have seen as well as the fittest with a chin to go with it

Agreed WHU, framptons high point is the Martinez fight, and I think Cruz is above that. Cruz could wear him down, frampton could outbox Cruz. Only one way to find out. The atmosphere would be electric in Belfast, but it'll be in the u.s and that's where it should be. Hope this gate made for their next fight march/April.

Cracking match-up, just what's needed.

If he wins I'd like to seem he strip Martinez of his faux-title.

And Quigg....

Would be a cracking fight, although don't want to see either fighter lose as I like both of them. Leave it all in the ring and both have fan pleasing styles. Martinez troubled Frampton with his constant pressure....Santa Cruz would show us whether it's because Frampton can't deal with that sort of fighter or whether it was a case of not coming up against one before.

At this stage would make Carl a slight favourite as I feel he can do everything very well and has the ability to adjust and change it up!

No reason why this couldn't be made....Quigg fights Martinez for the IBF/WBA Super titles...if both come through then you have a Unification match up at the tail end of 2014 between Quigg/Frampton....winner goes on to face Rigondeux!!

Oscar give me a call if you need another match maker at Goldenboy!

Would have to make Santa Cruz a pretty big favourite right now, he's fought at at a level above that of Frampton but hopefully i'm proved wrong.

LSC would KO Frampton inside 7 rounds.

LSC is a fair few levels above Frampton.

LSC is probably the second best fighter at SBW.

LSC walks forward in straight lines.

LSC is easy to hit.

LSC relies solely on his workrate & power to win fights.

LSC would probably get his ears boxed off.

Why do you always think that every British boxer would get KO-ed or lose widely on points regardless of who they are fighting?
Admittedly I've only seen Santa Cruz fight a couple of times but I haven't seen anything that would scare Frampton & certainly nothing to suggest that he is "a fair few levels above Frampton".

Could be a belter. Risky fight for Frampton but that's to be admired.

That was my pick for best international match that could be made. They've also made Gavin Rees vs Gary Buckland. It's like Christmas.

KC wrote:LSC walks forward in straight lines.

LSC is easy to hit.

LSC relies solely on his workrate & power to win fights.

LSC would probably get his ears boxed off.

Why do you always think that every British boxer would get KO-ed or lose widely on points regardless of who they are fighting?
Admittedly I've only seen Santa Cruz fight a couple of times but I haven't seen anything that would scare Frampton & certainly nothing to suggest that he is "a fair few levels above Frampton".

Who's Frampton actually beaten? Kiko Martinez? And a bunch of euro bums?

LSC is a two division world champion.

LSC out works hype job Frampton and KOs him.

Just like Broner then GA?

He is a three time world champ and lost to Maidana.

This world champion crap is a load of balls. Protected fighters getting padded titles.

Floyd vs Canelo at catchweight
Pacman vs Marg at catchweight
Pacman vs Cotto at catchweight
Quigg won it doing nothing
Haye beat Valuev

Its ridiculous.

Frampton already Knocked out Kiko who in turn is now a world champion.

Frampton still had the power to stop him with one shot late on in the fight after being pressured for 9 rounds non stop.

Is LSC a bigger puncher? Id say no.

Does he have the workrate? Yes.

Frampton looks ok on the q foot,and with his power, could shock LSC.....and you.

For two weight "world" champion read two weight belt-holder.

LSC has fought 26 times, Frampton 17 so one would expect LSC's resume to be better on the law of averages if nothing else - that's not exactly rocket science.

Frampton's already beaten one of the division's belt holders so clearly he's not a hype job as you suggest.

Time will tell but I'm pretty confident Frampton has plenty to trouble LSC [although I don't doubt it would be a very hard fight]

I think Frampton will surprise a few people and completely dominate Santa Cruz and either win a wide decision or force a late stoppage, for my money Frampton looks an exceptional fighter.

'2 weight world champ' is indeed a very generous moniker.

He's had two decent fights at each weight (at Kiko level or better). Ahead of Framps? Yes. Far enough to suggest Framps will be blown away by a world class operator? No.

Frampton's win over 'world champion' Kiko Martinez being hyped up...

Romero was a weak champion. Kiko battered him rather easily.

Kiko gets batters by LSC.

LSC will batter Frampton.

Has LSC battered Kiko? No.

Seeda was no better than Framps and he had to go to the judges then.

And you're guilty of 'hyping up' LSC and his oppos.

Gerry SA wrote:Frampton's win over 'world champion' Kiko Martinez being hyped up...

Romero was a weak champion. Kiko battered him rather easily.

Kiko gets batters by LSC.

LSC will batter Frampton.

Clearly LSC stands for something other than Leo Santa Cruz?

London Symphonic Choir maybe  

KC wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Frampton's win over 'world champion' Kiko Martinez being hyped up...

Romero was a weak champion. Kiko battered him rather easily.

Kiko gets batters by LSC.

LSC will batter Frampton.

Clearly LSC stands for something other than Leo Santa Cruz?

London Symphonic Choir maybe  

Very funny...

Hope you're still cracking jokes when Leo sends Frampton back to Belfast empty handed...

owen10ozzy wrote: Martinez troubled Frampton with his constant pressure....

I don't think he did - I thought Frampton had him in his pocket the whole fight, he stayed out of trouble early, using his boxing ability and then when Kiko started to fade Frampton started to trade a bit more and stopped him, it was a bit of a masterclass.

I don't think Frampton has found his level yet as he was comfortable enough against Martinez.

Gerry SA wrote:

KC wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:Frampton's win over 'world champion' Kiko Martinez being hyped up...

Romero was a weak champion. Kiko battered him rather easily.

Kiko gets batters by LSC.

LSC will batter Frampton.

Clearly LSC stands for something other than Leo Santa Cruz?

London Symphonic Choir maybe  

Very funny...

Hope you're still cracking jokes when Leo sends Frampton back to Belfast empty handed...

I'm sure I will be but then I'm not as uptight about it as you are   

I'm not saying that Frampton will definitely win if he fought LSC but I'm sure he would be a good match up for him, unlike you stating he's going to get knocked out but providing no evidence to back up your ascertation other than LSC is a world champion therefore he must be better.

As I said, time will tell.

rodders wrote:

owen10ozzy wrote: Martinez troubled Frampton with his constant pressure....

I don't think he did - I thought Frampton had him in his pocket the whole fight, he stayed out of trouble early, using his boxing ability and then when Kiko started to fade Frampton started to trade a bit more and stopped him, it was a bit of a masterclass.

I don't think Frampton has found his level yet as he was comfortable enough against Martinez.  

Didn't mean trouble as in he actually had Frampton in any trouble Rodders, just meant in the sense of he made Frampton think a lot more than he had done any other occasion. For me he didn't find his rhythm as quickly as normal but he went on to show that he can do everything as the fight progressed ...fight in the pocket, box at range and more importantly change up the gameplan as and when he needed to.

Leo Santa Cruz is a much more polished fighter and whilst he likes a tear up he showed on the weekend he can keep a fight long. I think he has better foot movement and technical ability than Martinez so the question will be can Frampton get into the groove quickly.

I think that Frampton has another couple of gears to move through and am of the belief he is a very special talent. As bad a year as it has been for British fighters losing titles...2014 could see a few of our lads pick up straps...Frampton will be one of the genuine World Title holders in my opinion.

I think this fight (if it comes off) will be the classic boxer vs brawler. Its a step up for Frampton no doubt, there is every possiblilty that santa cruz is a better brawler than frampton is boxer. But then maybe frampton has enough about him to keep santa cruz honest, keeping it long and keeping him off balance.

This fight needs to be made to find out.

Santa Cruz looked less of a force against Seda - who boxed pretty well against him. Frampton can box and fight. It's a hell of a fight.

I'd see this as a very tough fight for Frampton. He would be tested to the limit. I'm a little surprised McGuigan is keen on the fight happening. It's a risky fight and a big step up from Euro level were Frampton has been fighting at. I would make Santa Cruz the favourite.

It's a great fight for the fans. A genuine fight unlike the way a lot of British boxers have been thrown into title fights they have very little chance of winning.

The hype around Santa Cruz reminds me of Rios before he met Abril. Style is similar. People may shout this down because of the comparison but I reckon Frampton deals with him comfortably.

Haven't seen anything from Santa Cruz to warrant the hype.

I think it's a tough fight, for both sides, and can't predict a winner. Maybe 55:45 in LSC's favour due to his experience, though I think Carl's the better boxer and may rise to the occasion.

RanjitPatel wrote:The hype around Santa Cruz reminds me of Rios before he met Abril. Style is similar. People may shout this down because of the comparison but I reckon Frampton deals with him comfortably.

Haven't seen anything from Santa Cruz to warrant the hype.

Rios is a one dimensional slugger.

Santa Cruz can slug as good as anyone, but can actually box to a plan as well.

As for Abril he's a great talent. Frampton's skills aren't anyway near Abril's.

Abril looked awful in the fight he had after Rios, can't remember who it was, didn't use his attributes at all.
Frampton can fight on the front and backfoot as he's proven and I just think he'll prove how good he is if this fight comes off.
Don't think you're giving Frampton the credit his talent deserves so we'll have to see if he proves you wrong.

RanjitPatel wrote:Abril looked awful in the fight he had after Rios, can't remember who it was, didn't use his attributes at all.
Frampton can fight on the front and backfoot as he's proven and I just think he'll prove how good he is if this fight comes off.
Don't think you're giving Frampton the credit his talent deserves so we'll have to see if he proves you wrong.

Abril tried boxing against Bogere, but Bogere just came to hold and foul.

TBH Frampton is a good fighter, but he's not faced a world class fighter yet.

LSC isn't getting the credit he deserves. He might not be Rigondeaux or Donaire, but he's a great fighter in his own right.

Strongback wrote:I'd see this as a very tough fight for Frampton.  He would be tested to the limit. I'm a little surprised McGuigan is keen on the fight happening.  It's a risky fight and a big step up from Euro level were Frampton has been fighting at.  I would make Santa Cruz the favourite.  

Yeah but that's a good thing I think.

Frampton hasn't really been tested at European level, even by Martinez, so there's no point hanging around at his age. I think he has so much more in the tank, the Martinez fight showed he has the chin and composure to go with his skills and that will stand him in good stead as he moves up the levels.

He has nothing to lose but the fight...