Aaron Ramsey ----Arsenal's best player

To start with, I truly believe Rambo is Arsenals best player. I think he is future captain, talisman and regular team of the season contender if this season's form is anything to go by.

Having seen him out of the side for a portion of the season I can clearly see the difference he brings to the team. I would liken his movement when we have the ball to a younger Lampard or Stevie G. He provides am option to break the lines players like Ozil, Cazorla and Rosicky fail to do, preferring to take ball to feet rather than give and go.

I would like Wenger to build a team around Ramsay in the same way Liverpool have done with Gerrard.

What is other people's opinion on the quality of ramsay, his best position and if you think building the team to suit his style of play would be a good way to move forward. All opinions are welcome and I really would like supporters of other teams to voice their opinion as these should be less rose tinted than mine.

ramsey, wilshire, walcott, OX, Gibbs, Jenkinson are all 1st team players. WHo says Arsenal doesn't play British talent....

Ramsey is the best CM we have got, only problem is he is injury prone.

Would you have him playing box to box, traditional cm, the breaking cm with a free reign to move forward and get up front, even some of his best performances can from playing as a right mid. I think he is the best we have but am unsure how to best utilise him. He is possibly too Versatile for his own good.

If Ramsey can stay healthy he is the best CM not only for Arsenal but in the league and in the world. Ya Ya and Vidal's goal numbers are inflated by a huge number of penalty kicks. Ramsey is 24 and younger than both Vidal and Toure. Despite these injuries when he played he was better than both those guys this year. He was also very good in a deeper holding role last season along with Arteta in the second half of the campaign although he was being played at times as a right winger and holding mid he was still doing a job for the side. The big question is can he stay healthy as CS as stated. I simply wouldn't trade him for a single central midfielder in all of Europe or world football right now when he is fit. Not Kroos, Isco, Gotze, Ozil, Vidal, or Toure.

Tea_is_for_mugs wrote:Would you have him playing box to box, traditional cm, the breaking cm with a free reign to move forward and get up front, even some of his best performances can from playing as a right mid. I think he is the best we have but am unsure how to best utilise him. He is possibly too Versatile for his own good.

Play him as a false number 9 or an attacking midfielder, or a box to box midfielder. I bet if we played with no striker and had Ramsey playing the Messi role, if he was fit he would finish in the top 5 in the league in goals. I say we sign Cesc and say damn the striker we are going to play the false number with those two alternating at the tip of the spear and Giroud filling in when we need a true target man.

Ramsey's energy make him an ideal box to box midfielder. We have a high number of players who can play off the centre forward (Ozil, Cazorla, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zelalem), but we haven't got anyone who can match Aaron's workrate across the whole pitch so that's why Ramsey has to play as a box to box midfielder.

Nakatomi Plaza wrote:Ramsey's energy make him an ideal box to box midfielder. We have a high number of players who can play off the centre forward (Ozil, Cazorla, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Zelalem), but we haven't got anyone who can match Aaron's workrate across the whole pitch so that's why Ramsey has to play as a box to box midfielder.

What do you think about my crazy suggestion of playing as a false number 9? Aaron Messi anyone.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:ramsey, wilshire, walcott, OX, Gibbs, Jenkinson are all 1st team players. WHo says Arsenal doesn't play British talent....

Ramsey is the best CM we have got, only problem is he is injury prone.

Haven't seen anyone say that for a while, but it was certainly the case a few years ago when most of the French national team played for Arsenal, now Newcastle are trying to do that.

Ramsey best CM in the world?
He barely scratches top ten. Yes an excellent season but best in the world is flabbergasting.

Crikey, one good season after being hounded for most of his Arsenal career, and suddenly he's the best centre midfielder in the world?

You have to laugh. A lot.

Let's see how he does next season before rapidly jumping the gun - will he stay injury-free, and will he cope with the greater weight of expectation that will, undoubtedly, be placed on him next season?

Easily the best British MF right now. Has world class potential.
Has been an absolute beast over the past year and needs to keep it up in order to reach that level.

J.Benson II wrote:Easily the best MF in the UK right now. Has world class potential.
Has been an absolute beast over the past year and needs to keep it up in order to reach that level.

He isn't the best midfielder in the country, Toure is better than him.

hampo171 wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:Easily the best MF in the UK right now. Has world class potential.
Has been an absolute beast over the past year and needs to keep it up in order to reach that level.

He isn't the best midfielder in the country, Toure is better than him.

Sorry, I mean British. I'll edit it. Yeah, Toure is obviously better at the moment.

hampo171 wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:Easily the best MF in the UK right now. Has world class potential.
Has been an absolute beast over the past year and needs to keep it up in order to reach that level.

He isn't the best midfielder in the country, Toure is better than him.

Lets see the numbers.

Ya Ya
Appearances-35
Goals 20 (6 penalties)
Assists 9

Ramsey-
Appearances-20
Goals-10
Assissts-8

Do Ya Ya's 6 penalty kicks make him better than Ramsey? Take those away and Ramsey has a better strike rate a goal every other game. And in 15 less appearances he has just one less assist. Aaron hasn't done over the long haul but he is 23 and Toure 31.

Lets see Aaron is younger, has had a better year statistically, earns less than half the money, and is not a malcontent like Toure. As I said if Ramsey stays fit or has reasonable good luck with injuries he would have been a player of the year candidate. This season he was the best central midfielder in the entire premier league. Vidal is similarly situated big goal numbers heavily inflated by being Juventus' penalty kick taker. My granny could score double digit goals if she was the penalty kick taker for Juve and most of them would be dodgy PKs at that.

There's more to being a good midifielder than statistics, it's the overall play that means more and Toure drove his team to the league title stepping up in the big games which Ramsey didn't do.

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Ramsey best CM in the world?
He barely scratches top ten. Yes an excellent season but best in the world is flabbergasting.

Please name them I would like to see the 10 central midfielders that are better than Ramsey.

Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure, Iniesta, Pjanic, Rakitic, Gundogan, Moutinho, Modric, Pogba, Matuidi.
There's 11 for you.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There's more to being a good midifielder than statistics, it's the overall play that means more and Toure drove his team to the league title stepping up in the big games which Ramsey didn't do.

Well when Aaron was healthy we were top of the league despite injuries to other key starters. When he was out we slumped out of contention. Ya Ya is on a better more talented team, he himself at this stage in his career was not better than Ramsey when both where playing. That would be like me saying Sergio Ramos is the best defender in the world because of how good Real Madrid were. I mean he did hit the game winning goal in the FA cup final the biggest game of the year and in many years for Arsenal. While Ya Ya looked horrendously ordinary in Man City's biggest game of the year the tie against Barca. Team accomplishments don't make you a better player. If Ramsey played with Aguero, Dzeko, and Negredo as opposed to Giroud he would win the bigger trophy.

Or Toure is a very important cog in the Man City machine and was the driving force behind them winning the title, they won the title because of his quality, without him they wouldn't have won. They wouldn't have won with Ramsey in the side because he's still a bit young and not yet good enough to grab the big games by the scruff of the neck.

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure, Iniesta, Pjanic, Rakitic, Gundogan, Moutinho, Modric, Pogba, Matuidi.
There's 11 for you.

Are you talking about Iniesta of 2008? please is all I have to say about most of the guys on the list. Show me another player who produced 18 goals in 20 appearances as a midfielder in a top European league. Modric you mean Ozil's understudy? Gundogan good player but he didn't have a very influential season at all. Pjanic got to be kidding.

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure, Iniesta, Pjanic, Rakitic, Gundogan, Moutinho, Modric, Pogba, Matuidi.
There's 11 for you.

I agree with that by and large, Socal will come out with some crap about Modric being Ozil's understudy when in reality Real are now playing better with him in the side than the over priced Arsenal flop.

Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure, Rakitic, Kroos and Modric are the certainties for me, the others are all around the same level but Pogba and Pjanic look to have more potential moving forward.

Pogba certainly has greater potential than Ramsey.

As has been mentioned, Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure and Kroos are all comfortably better than Ramsey, and that's just the start.

Joe Allen as well.

Duty281 wrote:Pogba certainly has greater potential than Ramsey.

As has been mentioned, Schweinsteiger, Vidal, Toure and Kroos are all comfortably better than Ramsey, and that's just the start.

It pains me to say that about Pogba as well, wanted nothing more than him to fail after he left but seeing him flourish while our midfield got worse was a kick in the teeth.

There's Strootman as well.

Vidal-11 goals 6 assists in a weaker league in 32 appearances. Ramsey 10 goals and 8 assists in 20 appearances. Not to mention that his numbers are highly inflated in goals by being the penalty kick specialist on Juve. So I guess about the same number of goals, (including pens) less assists in 12 more appearances, in a weaker league makes Vidal better. The country of Isaac Newton leaves a lot to be desired of.

Luka Modric is hilarious, just goes to show that if you throw a real madrid jersey on anyone all of sudden he becomes world class in the eyes of knowledgeable football fans. 1 goal and six assists in 34 league appearances. Ramsey didn't play half the year and he laps Modric in both major statistical categories. Next your going to tell me that Modric is better at winning the ball than Ramsey or runs more. What next Pepe is the best central defender in the world

Stats have nothing to do with it, Ramsey and Vidal do different roles in central midfield so you can't base it on statistics.

Get your head out of the clouds, central midfield is such a varied position that basing it on goals and assists mean sod all, Modric makes Madrid tick, he's the one spreading the play, that is his role in the team, he's not there to score or create.

Paul Pogba 7 goal and 11 assists in 36 league matches. Whoops seems like Ramsey dominates him statistically as well. But I forgot its Juve so he has to be better.

Football is played on grass Socal not paper.

Your right Hammersmith, Modric's role in Madrid's midfiedl is to score less goals, get less assists, and also not win the ball back as much as Ramsey or run as much.

Toni Kroos-2 goals and 4 assists in 29 league matches, he must be better than Ramsey.

Being American you judge everything on statistics, you weren't born with the ability to think for yourselves like us Brits.

Modric isn't in the Madrid team to score and create, that's what Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria and Benzema are for. What he does do though is sit back and provide a link between the defence and the attack, he makes sure things keep ticking over in the centre of the park, that is what he does and he does it brilliantly.

Ramsay on the other hand is a midfield runner, who provides support to the attack with late runs into the box and linking up, he is expected to score because that is his role in the team.

They do completely different roles so trying to use statistics is futile and lazy, it is the one position where stats mean sod all, you have to watch them to understand what they're doing.

socal1976 wrote:Toni Kroos-2 goals and 4 assists in 29 league matches, he must be better than Ramsey.

Again, what role does he play in the Bayern team?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

socal1976 wrote:Toni Kroos-2 goals and 4 assists in 29 league matches, he must be better than Ramsey.

Again, what role does he play in the Bayern team?

By the end of the year he was on their bench for most of their league matches.(kroos) You want to talk about a one year wonder that is luka modric the guy hardly played for the last couple of years before this one. I can't think of one thing he does better than Ramsey honestly. Does he score goals, get assists, win the ball, or run as much no. What other role are you talking about? Besides passing, scoring, and tackling what other role is that modric is superior to ramsey at. He has the sleazier hairdo that is about the only thing he does better than Ramsey.

Hard to judge Pogba since Seria A is a poor league at the moment.
Even Gervinho looks decent there and was absolutely awful in the PL.

Ramsey is clearly one of the best young CM on the planet. Most of the better players in his position have several years more experience then him.

I forgot Socal has never seen a game of football in his life, and relies purely on stats. Here's one - goals at the FIFA World Cup:

Heskey - 1
Best - 0
Giggs - 0
Rooney - 0
Di Stefano - 0

Wow..Heskey is the best out of that lot!

Duty281 wrote:I forgot Socal has never seen a game of football in his life, and relies purely on stats. Here's one - goals at the FIFA World Cup:

Heskey - 1
Best - 0
Giggs - 0
Rooney - 0
Di Stefano - 0

Wow..Heskey is the best out of that lot!

Yes, I have never watched a football match that is a good one you win. I watched Modric sit is ass on the bench for 3 years and not even see the field that is what I watched.

By that very same logic Ramsey is a one season wonder but I doubt you'll see it like that.

I win? That's a relief, I didn't think it would be that easy.

I'm merely trying to point out the fallacy of statistics, and why an argument cannot solely be based on them.

SoCal, Ramsey is a good player but to think he's the best player in his position is just stupid. If you want to throw stats our there as Duty says Heskey is a better international striker than Rooney, do you agree? No I didn't think so.

Vidal, Toure, and co have done it over a number of seasons, Ramsey over half. Let's wait until he does it consistently before blowing our load over him yeah?

Hampo, I honestly can't think of a single thing on a football pitch that modric does better than Ramsey. Stats aside I watched both of them play a huge number of times. What is it that makes Modric better other than playing for a more fancied side?

You guys do understand that sample size of one single world cup and a league season over 38 matches is not the same thing right?

It's actually based over three World Cups, if we're just comparing Heskey and Rooney.

Modric is better than Ramsey. Better technique and more finesse. Two different style of players though.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:By that very same logic Ramsey is a one season wonder but I doubt you'll see it like that.

Ramsey had a good year last year playing out of position wide on the right. And whenever he has been fit he has played for Arsenal even as a teenager. This is how good Ramsey is, Arsene spent 5 million pounds on him as a teenager and flew him out on a private jet to meet him. 5 million back then is the equivalent 15 million today on an unproven player and that is Wenger we are talking about I think the guy still has his first franc.

I am still waiting to hear one thing that modric does better than Ramsey. I can't think of a single thing. Not shooting, not passing, not tackling, not breaking up the play, not running. You guys are worse than the Goal crowd who creams their knickers over anyone in a Barca or Real jersey.

Don't take it to heart, Socal.

We all know what you'd be saying if Modric played for Arsenal (and never played for Tottenham), and Ramsey played for Madrid.

To be fair SoCal I never named Modric, I said Vidal, Toure and co. You say Modric is only doing it in a fancied team like Real Madrid, he also did it at Spurs.

Duty281 wrote:Don't take it to heart, Socal.

We all know what you'd be saying if Modric played for Arsenal (and never played for Tottenham), and Ramsey played for Madrid.

Not to mention he made his name for that pub team that plays nearby the mighty and famous Arsenal. That should disqualify him outright.