Return of the hayemaker

Strongy deep breaths mate. Adam booth is saying haye is 100% healed and getting ready for a return.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss, but will probably get sucked in.

Is this good or bad news?

Ps this isn't an open letter to strongy.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/311269.html

Fury v chis winner the target, for an October date.

Not surprised. He planned to retire at 31, and despite being a two weight world champion, didn't. Think the high has him, and he'll need to be dragged off to retirement

This'll most certainly breathe life back into Vitali-Haye but wait, Vit's a politician now.

So a Wlad rematch probably the most credible fight Haye could angle for aside from fighting Fury (provided he doesn't lose to Chisora first, against whom Haye really has nothing to prove)

Is there still a fight out there for him now that Vitali has left the sport? Fury is a money spinner but doesn't really do anything legacy wise (if that's his concern). Injury came at the worst time possible for him. In his position I'd be targeting other things outside the ring. Best of luck to him though

As long as Haye can make an easy buck he will hang around. The division is so pants he could no show against Klitschko again. Retire again. And come back again and still make money.

Stiverne is a realistic fight, no? Chance to be a 2 x Heavyweight champion... history will look back kindly at him, as will his accountant.

I'll confess I'm not too clued up on the 'top division' but for me the only fights that would peak my interest would be a domestic fight with Fury (out of morbid curiosity) or a Klitschko.

Ashamed to say I've never heard of this Stivierne (I'm not really ashamed) and I'd imagine he would be a much harder sell to the cash cow that is the casual fan.

The average fan understands
Haye
Heavyweight championship
Bout.

Fair point

Dipper Brown wrote:Fury is a money spinner but doesn't really do anything legacy wise (if that's his concern).

Haye concerned about legacy!!! He is concerned about legacy in the same way the average American is concerned about type II diabetes. Haye is concerned about one thing and one thing only, the maximum amount of money for the minimum amount of risk, and his career choices, as they always have been at heavy, will be dictated by whichever fight appears to offer this.

Fury's the fight for him then

I asked this a year ago, and tbh, I'm no closer to a resolution even now: Froch Groves will probably be the biggest fight in the history British satellite television, it will have the largest post war crowd... and there isn't a £10 million kitty. How on earth does Fury-Haye generate £5m per man?

Bigger outlay for venue? More fingers in the pie?

In terms of interest, I have no idea. People are thick as mince, why anyone would pay to see Haye slap Fury about when you can watch Fury uppercut himself in the face repeatedly for free on YouTube is beyond me.

There will be more money in the purse for Froch v Groves than Haye v Fury without a doubt

kingraf wrote:I asked this a year ago, and tbh,  I'm no closer to a resolution even now: Froch Groves will probably be the biggest fight in the history British satellite television, it will have the largest post war crowd... and there isn't a £10 million kitty. How on earth does Fury-Haye generate £5m per man?

Sky have predicted it will generate over £20Million mate.

is that overall, or the final purse split?

Haye vs Fury,Fury beating Chisora is no formality.

I might stop following British boxing, its a cesspit.

Adam Booth is also sitting pretty in this. He got 125k for the last Froch/Groves fight and is set to earn a further 300k from the rematch. For doing balls all. Haye and Booth know how to make money and I suspect they dont care who they shaft doing it.

Dipper Brown wrote:Is there still a fight out there for him now that Vitali has left the sport?

yes plenty. Thompson, solis, povetkin, areola, stivern, wilder, pulev, adamek, perez, fury even mitchell. Some make ecomic sense while others make sense from a fans perspective.

Dipper Brown wrote:Is there still a fight out there for him now that Vitali has left the sport?

yes plenty. Thompson, solis, povetkin, areola, stivern, wilder, pulev, adamek, perez, fury even mitchell. Some make ecomic sense while others make sense from a fans perspective.

Of those only Fury, Wilder, Stiverne and Wlad make sense, no interest in watching him beat up the others.

Apparently Haye has been getting emails saying that people want him to knockout Michael Sprott so he is gonna take this fight and give the public what they want

Haye has been a joke since moving to heavy, literally stained his career, embarrassed himself with his trash talk and his succession of no shows for fights. He has talent but as others have alluded to he's only in this game for big money little risk outings, using his mouth to lull casual fans into coughing up. I'd watch him fight Fury if/when Fury gets past Del Boy. Wilder I'd watch. Wlad would give him another lesson. It's got to the point where I think it'd be better all round if Haye really did pack up for good.

Wow theres a suprise, hammer comments to simply disagree!

Stiverne make sense but arreola doesn't? Erm...ok

fury makes sense but perez doesnt? Erm..ok

wilder makes sense but mitchell doesn't? Erm..ok

Wlad makes sense? Erm..ok.

Povetkin doesn't make sense? Erm..ok.

It's not difficult to work out.

Wlad is the man, Fury is the top domestic rival, Wilder is the next big American heavyweight and Stiverne holds a world title belt none of the others offer anything to Haye.

What part of that can you disagree with?

I can see him go after Stiverne. B-Ware is apparently looking to have a voluntary defence before facing Wilder, and Haye would fit that bill perfectly. Provided he beats Stiverne, which I think he could do, that'd be the WBC belt, then a rematch with Wlad, and retire with muchos $$$, potentially as the big unified boss, and redemption against Klitschko. At last that's what I think is in Haye's mind.   

Stivern knocks him out

Hes living off the desperation of fans to see a colourless heavyweight division brought out of the dark ages. People are more willing to believe in someone/something when they want to believe and block out the rest. Its been obvious for years what Haye is all about. Boxings equivalent of a tourist trap. Why would anyone want a repeat of the Klitschko v Haye borefest.

catchweight wrote:Hes living off the desperation of fans to see a colourless heavyweight division brought out of the dark ages. People are more willing to believe in someone/something when they want to believe and block out the rest. Its been obvious for years what Haye is all about. Boxings equivalent of a tourist trap. Why would anyone want a repeat of the Klitschko v Haye borefest.

Who other than the Germans want to watch Wlad fight anyone?

At least with Haye there is a very small chance he does take a risk and take the fight to Wlad knowing he has the power to end it, the likelihood of it being another borefest doesn't completely negate the chance of an upset.

I think if there was a second Haye-Klitschko fight, Haye would throw caution to the wind and try to bang Wlad out of there. He was unable to pull the trigger in the first fight (occasion got to him maybe - or the toe!) and knows he can't beat Wlad with his "in-out" style he used for Valuev.

It's his only chance to win IMO. He'd get more props from me for losing after giving it a go than being hugged to death.

Haye should just stay retired and be a TV personality or something. I actually dont mind him when he talks nowadays. He is a smug git but quite funny at times so I think he would be good at it. Wasted everyones time at heavy though so got no interest in seeing him back in the ring

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

catchweight wrote:Hes living off the desperation of fans to see a colourless heavyweight division brought out of the dark ages. People are more willing to believe in someone/something when they want to believe and block out the rest. Its been obvious for years what Haye is all about. Boxings equivalent of a tourist trap. Why would anyone want a repeat of the Klitschko v Haye borefest.

Who other than the Germans want to watch Wlad fight anyone?

At least with Haye there is a very small chance he does take a risk and take the fight to Wlad knowing he has the power to end it, the likelihood of it being another borefest doesn't completely negate the chance of an upset.

Nope no chance. He had 12 rounds to do something and did nothing. Zero interest in seeing another overpriced stinkfest between the chancer and the bore. But if the Haye fans want to whip themselves up for another donation let themselves knock themselves out. Haye trades on this illusion.

What a surprise.........Guess becoming the next Al Pacino is on hold..

Wlad v stiverne
Wlad v wilder
Even wlad v fury, all more interesting fights than wlad & haye 2.

Catchy - Love the haye tourist trap comparison. I feel much the same, I don't miss him, I don't think boxing misses him, but will get sucked in to watching him fight.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's not difficult to work out.

Wlad is the man, Fury is the top domestic rival, Wilder is the next big American heavyweight and Stiverne holds a world title belt none of the others offer anything to Haye.

What part of that can you disagree with?

I dont disagree with any of that. Never said I did. My point has obviously gone over your head.

He'd still beat just about every other Heavy around though sadly...

3fingers wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's not difficult to work out.

Wlad is the man, Fury is the top domestic rival, Wilder is the next big American heavyweight and Stiverne holds a world title belt none of the others offer anything to Haye.

What part of that can you disagree with?

I dont disagree with any of that. Never said I did. My point has obviously gone over your head.

Must have gone over my head too 3fingers as I can't see what angle you were getting at...

Starting to think he's Davidemore.

Almost an insult to emore?

You're possibly right there Alex, Emore had what one could describe as an alternative perception on life.

haye probably has no intention of fighting, just wants his name in the news again, cant see to many people wanting to take on a unranked (im guessing) fighter, as dangerous as haye with a world title now out of klitchsko hands. fury would be his best bet, but after the mess around he gave him last time i dont know if tyson would risk it either, he was out of the ring for the best part of a year last time.

If fury bests chisora, he would be nuts to offer haye another fight. Haye should be made earn a fight for a change, he should show a little consistency fight some world level former contenders, fight a Thompson, fight arreola, fight somebody, less talk more fighting.

I'm sure there is a nickname haye's earned that can be garnered from his pull outs/ withdrawals, something safe sex related, I'm just not witty enough to get there.

Haye himself said on TalkSport the other day that he is a long way from competing again, and he'd have to seriously think about it in one or two years time when he's fully healed. I have a feeling he'll never fight again.

Strongback wrote:I might stop following British boxing, its a cesspit.

Yeh, better stick to that legendary Irish heaveyweight scene, currently led by the formidable Mike Perez who managed to somehow just draw with Carlos 'who the bloody hell' Takam.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:It's not difficult to work out.

Wlad is the man, Fury is the top domestic rival, Wilder is the next big American heavyweight and Stiverne holds a world title belt none of the others offer anything to Haye.

What part of that can you disagree with?

Seems fairly simple to me........

Strongback wrote:I might stop following British boxing, its a cesspit.

Are you going to do a Jurgen Groves and turn traitor?