The indestructible man... Broken? [Robshaw]

by Cumbrian Thu 11 Dec 2014, 5:45 pm

Robshaw is set to miss Quins' trip to Dublin this weekend and is seeing a specialist on shoulder injuries. Really don't like the sound of it, hope it isn't too serious. Erm

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/dec/10/chris-robshaw-shoulder-injury-harlequins-leinster

The England captain Chris Robshaw has been ruled out of Harlequins’ European Champions Cup match against Leinster on Saturday and will see a specialist to examine his shoulder injury.

The 28-year-old flanker sustained the blow against the same opposition on Sunday, when he helped Harlequins to a 24-18 victory at The Stoop.

Harlequins have given no indication of how long they expect to be without Robshaw, but expect to be in a position later in the week to provide greater detail. They will also be without their fly-half Nick Evans for the trip to Dublin.

Harlequins said in a statement: “Harlequins today confirmed that both Chris Robshaw and Nick Evans will be unavailable for Saturday’s European Rugby Champions Cup match against Leinster at the Aviva Stadium, due to injuries sustained in the round three match at The Stoop.

“Evans, who was replaced after 11 minutes, is expected to return next week against Newcastle Falcons.

“Robshaw will have further assessments with a specialist on a shoulder injury. A further update will be given towards the end of the week.”

by Poorfour Thu 11 Dec 2014, 6:23 pm

I must admit, I am worried about it. It's the most serious-sounding injury he's had in about 7 years, and having to see a specialist about it isn't great news.

However, it's the first time I've heard of him having a stinger, so it may be that they are playing it safe - it's better he takes the time now to discover what the cause is and make sure it's treated properly

by Knowsit17 Thu 11 Dec 2014, 6:47 pm

All those tackles are going to take their toll eventually. Hope he can pull through with no long term issues.

by majesticimperialman Thu 11 Dec 2014, 7:44 pm

When you put your body on the line like he does every week, and in every game.

Well some thing as to give some time.

I do hope it it not a long term thing.

by Geordie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 8:38 am

Not good news but lets see what the outcome is first.

The problem though is that for England Lancaster hasn't tested what he has at 6 & 7. Its been Wood and Robshaw. So if its something serious then its a concern.

by Barney McGrew did it Fri 12 Dec 2014, 9:00 am

Has the nightmare begun - will Stewie's refusal to work on a proper back-up 7 finally come back to haunt him?

Can he try Manu at 7?

What are the chances of Wood also getting injured?

Best of luck to Robshaw.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 12 Dec 2014, 9:32 am

Haskell just comes in with either him or Wood going to 7. Ewers or Kvesic next cabs off the rank.

by Poorfour Fri 12 Dec 2014, 9:37 am

The Express has apparently posted that if it doesn't settle down he'll have surgery next week and miss the opening game of the 6N.

If that's accurate, it could be a blessing in disguise - an enforced 3 month rest shortly before the RWC but with enough time to play himself back in. Just as long as his return doesn't go like Jonny's...

by **rodders** Fri 12 Dec 2014, 9:42 am

Sorry to hear about old Robshaw - thought for a minute that O'Shea had thrown the towel in against Leinster in Dublin but obviously there is a real injury there....

Re England - simples:-

Haskell to 6, Armitage to 7, Slammin Sam to 8 - problem solved Smile

by lostinwales Fri 12 Dec 2014, 10:41 am

Oh the irony. After me making all those comments about Warburton's injury record vs Robshaw. Typical if Robshaw doesnt make it for the match vs Wales Doh

by Barney McGrew did it Fri 12 Dec 2014, 10:56 am

Anyway, there's that EQ guy in France I think, who's playing quite well. I'm sure Stewie will slot him straight in.

by BamBam Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:52 am

Definitely sounds like exceptional circumstances

by Geordie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:07 pm

If you want a like for like...Stewie would do a lot worse than a certain Mr Wilson falcons back rower. Wink

Actually Dean Richards has got Andy Saull back to his best as well. Cracking 7.

However in all seriousness IF he was out long term...I wouldn't be surprised to see Lancaster go:

6 Clark
7 Wood
8 Morgan

by Bathman_in_London Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:23 pm

Arguably Robshaw should have had a rest at the weekend, but that's another topic.

I'd bring in Haskell to replace him but I wonder if Geordie is right and this might be the time when Clark makes an appearance.

I think Robshaw missing a game would show his detractors just how much he brings to the team, its a big drop off to the other possibles.

by thomh Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:33 pm

Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.

by Alex_Germany Fri 12 Dec 2014, 7:11 pm

Maybe he is human after all.

by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Dec 2014, 9:31 am

I would never wish an injury on anyone but from an England POV it may well be the proverbial blessing in disguise as they would have to thne find a back up.

I am looking forward to him and Warbeurton going head to head mind.

by lostinwales Sat 13 Dec 2014, 9:47 am

Alex_Germany wrote:Maybe he is human after all.

He's just being upgraded to a T1000.

(McCaw has been one of those for years)

by doctor_grey Sat 13 Dec 2014, 12:22 pm

thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.

I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle. Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Dec 2014, 12:46 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle. Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'. Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.

by doctor_grey Sat 13 Dec 2014, 1:08 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle. Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'. Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.

Mate, I agree. I thiink I remember the same thing. Was said years ago, right?

Rugby is a 10 month sport. No appreciable down time to recover, train lightly, and avoid contact and physically grueling matches. In the NFL, the Player's Union declined an offer to extend the season by two games (16 to 18), despite the proportional increase in salaries. The reason is there is too much all ready, and not enough time to recover. Currently, including the Super Bowl, I believe the maximum number of matches is about 20. Rugby has many, many more. No wonder our guys are breaking down. And with the increasing number of matches the Southern Hemisphere teams are playing, we will see the same impact there. Ironically, I believe that will be the ultimate and unfortunate great equalizer between the hemispheres.

by sickofwendy Sat 13 Dec 2014, 1:43 pm

Robshaw had last summer off

by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Dec 2014, 2:42 pm

doctor_grey wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
thomh wrote:Four weeks precautionary time off for Robshaw apparently. No surgery.
I probably sound like a broken record, but I worry abut a lot of players playing too much and starting an injury cycle. Yes, it is good Robshaw has some time off, but I wonder if he had time off previously - proactively - would he be in the same boat now?

Doc,

Thing is though is how many players actually ever play when they are 'fully fit'. Can't remenber who it was (something makes me think it was Martin Williams) but read once that he hasn't played fully fit for years, ws always carrying little niggles or bumps that in all honesty needed resting but they never do.
Mate, I agree. I thiink I remember the same thing. Was said years ago, right?

Rugby is a 10 month sport. No appreciable down time to recover, train lightly, and avoid contact and physically grueling matches. In the NFL, the Player's Union declined an offer to extend the season by two games (16 to 18), despite the proportional increase in salaries. The reason is there is too much all ready, and not enough time to recover. Currently, including the Super Bowl, I believe the maximum number of matches is about 20. Rugby has many, many more. No wonder our guys are breaking down. And with the increasing number of matches the Southern Hemisphere teams are playing, we will see the same impact there. Ironically, I believe that will be the ultimate and unfortunate great equalizer between the hemispheres.

Yeah and as mentioned but could be wrong I seem to think it was Nuggett that said it, what with club structure then 6 Nations then summer tour then throw in a Lions tour or WC he hadn't recovered from any of his injuries properly.

The other impact as well is I don't think you will see players with any degree of longevity to heir carears these days. Yes they rack up th caps but over a much more compact time frame.

by Guest Sat 13 Dec 2014, 3:06 pm

I'd guess that most people, including many fans, have no idea how physically demanding professional rugby is.

Some old codgers like me may remember an outstanding flanker called Haydn Morgan, who played for Wales and the Lions in the late '50s and early '60s.

Morgan was a very hard man, pacey and always putting his body on the line in an era of savage rucking, but he was of course an amateur. His day job was being in the parachute regiment. Despite his hardness, after his first international game it was reported that he needed a week's sick leave to recover.

With professional players now much bigger, and collisions more violent, it's a miracle Robshaw only needs a 'precautionary' rest from the game.

by wayne Sat 13 Dec 2014, 9:38 pm

optimist wrote:I'd guess that most people, including many fans, have no idea how physically demanding professional rugby is.

Some old codgers like me may remember an outstanding flanker called Haydn Morgan, who played for Wales and the Lions in the late '50s and early '60s.

Morgan was a very hard man, pacey and always putting his body on the line in an era of savage rucking, but he was of course an amateur. His day job was being in the parachute regiment. Despite his hardness, after his first international game it was reported that he needed a week's sick leave to recover.

With professional players now much bigger, and collisions more violent, it's a miracle Robshaw only needs a 'precautionary' rest from the game.

Optimist, Morgan was a fantastic O/S, do you remember the hit Morgan did on who was it Richard Sharp, or the Scottish O/H in the late 50s early 60s, good days

by Poorfour Sun 14 Dec 2014, 10:26 am

sickofwendy wrote:Robshaw had last summer off

The summer before last, since when he's been rested for one club game and no England games, and played 80 minutes in all bar a couple of games.

Players need more rest time. I hope the next EPS agreement is closer to a central contract arrangement and allows for the RFU to have more say in resting players.

by sickofwendy Sun 14 Dec 2014, 11:52 am

Doubt it will happen as the tv companies call the shots.
Robshaw play's around 35 games per year which is probably too many.players in the northern hemisphere probably play more than their southern counterparts but at a lesser intensity.if you factor in travel he has it easier than those in the south
Time to man up

by thomh Sun 14 Dec 2014, 2:36 pm

Thankfully the players will be with England for the months leading up to the RWC, so there won't be any club v country conflicts in terms of their preparation. If they need a rest, England can just give them one.

by ChequeredJersey Mon 15 Dec 2014, 9:17 pm

sickofwendy wrote:Doubt it will happen as the tv companies call the shots.
Robshaw play's around 35 games per year which is probably too many.players in the northern hemisphere probably play more than their southern counterparts but at a lesser intensity.if you factor in travel he has it easier than those in the south
Time to man up

Yeah, what a wimp, getting a shoulder injury!

by sickofwendy Tue 16 Dec 2014, 11:44 am

More of a big girls blouse than wimp

by SecretFly Tue 16 Dec 2014, 11:57 am

'Man up' as in play with his arm in a sling? Wink

by ChequeredJersey Tue 16 Dec 2014, 4:43 pm

He probably would

by sickofwendy Tue 16 Dec 2014, 7:16 pm

Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

by Geordie Wed 17 Dec 2014, 12:03 pm

Do people think Calum Clark will make the next step?

He is in brilliant form...a hard confrontational aggressive 6 / 7?

by Bathman_in_London Wed 17 Dec 2014, 12:12 pm

sickofwendy wrote:Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

It can be tricky
to fit the word Christmas
into a haiku

by yappysnap Wed 17 Dec 2014, 7:36 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Do people think Calum Clark will make the next step?

He is in brilliant form...a hard confrontational aggressive 6 / 7?

Still think he's too average for Int rugby, he literally carries nothing.

If him and wood played we'd be consigning Morgan to a heart attack by half time with all the carrying he'd have to do

by **LondonTiger** Wed 17 Dec 2014, 9:47 pm

Bathman_in_London wrote:
sickofwendy wrote:Ho about
Lighten up
It's nearly Christmas

It can be tricky
to fit the word Christmas
into a haiku

As you so bravely demonstrated by a gallant but failed attempt Very Happy

by Bathman_in_London Thu 18 Dec 2014, 9:23 am

Too many pre Christmas drinks, my thoughts are clearly slurring now as well!

by Geordie Mon 05 Jan 2015, 8:57 am

Has he had his operation?

He's got a bit of competition judging by a few players recent performances....Calum Clark is playing superb...and is an absolute beast at the breakdown.

And Kvesic got yet another man of the match for Glos.

by lostinwales Mon 05 Jan 2015, 10:07 am

It is good that there is competition but he is a way ahead of the rest (when fit and on form)

by yappysnap Mon 05 Jan 2015, 1:36 pm

Clark and Kvesic are still way off Robshaws form. Frankly Kvesics MoM was bizarre as all he achieved in that game was to get penalised a whole Poopie heap.

Clark is better but his skill set is still too similar and limited to okay alongside the equally limited Wood.

by yappysnap Mon 05 Jan 2015, 1:36 pm

Croft and Clark or Armitage and Clark, those might work...

by maestegmafia Mon 05 Jan 2015, 4:39 pm

Is Tom croft playing after his knee injury last autumn...? I hadn't seen any race reviews or noticed him in the team.

by Hound of Harrow Mon 05 Jan 2015, 6:36 pm

Ok, I'm a Wasps fan, but Haskell has been covering the back row position for England. He is in the form of his life and has been excellent at the breakdown and making his tackles for Wasps.

The interesting question is who would be captain? Hartley may have ruled himself out of contention after his latest indiscretion.

by sickofwendy Mon 05 Jan 2015, 8:43 pm

Tom wood will be captain if robshaw is ruled out.He filled in as captain against Argentina and if not for his foot injury probably would have got the job when Lancaster took charge

by maestegmafia Tue 06 Jan 2015, 12:47 am

Regarding Croft

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/11326670/Tom-Croft-faces-catch-22-battle-to-prove-fitness-to-England-and-Leicester.html

by lostinwales Wed 07 Jan 2015, 12:28 pm

Regarding Robshaw..

http://www.espn.co.uk/england/rugby/story/252421.html

He has dodged the scalple and therefore might be back sooner than we expected.

by thomh Wed 07 Jan 2015, 2:12 pm

He was always due to be back around now. Fit for Leicester this weekend apparently.

by Geordie Wed 07 Jan 2015, 2:37 pm

Hopefuly its not something that should be worked on and he is coming back without due care risking it getting worse.

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