ERCC: Pool 4, Round 6 - Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors

by **George Carlin** Mon 19 Jan 2015, 7:44 am

First topic message reminder :

Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors
Pool 4, Round 6
Sunday 25 January 2015, KO 13:00
The Recreation Ground, Bath

Live on BT Sport

Referee John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch Judge 1 Sean Gallagher (Ireland)
Touch Judge 2 Olly Hodges (Ireland)
Fourth Official Peter Huckle (England)
TMO Marshall Kilgore (Ireland)
Citing Commissioner Yves Thieffine (France)

A. Teams:

1. Bath Rugby
ERCC: Pool 4, Round 6 - Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors - Page 2 Billba10

ERCC: Pool 4, Round 6 - Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors - Page 2 Billba10

15 Anthony Watson
14 Horacio Agulla
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Kyle Eastmond
11 Matt Banahan
10 George Ford
9 Chris Cook
1 Paul James
2 Rob Webber
3 Dave Wilson
4 Stuart Hooper (c)
5 Dominic Day
6 Matt Garvey
7 Francois Louw
8 Leroy Houston

16 Ross Batty
17 Nick Auterac
18 Henry Thomas
19 Dave Attwood
20 Carl Fearns
21 Peter Stringer
22 Ollie Devoto
23 Sam Burgess

2. Glasgow Warriors
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ERCC: Pool 4, Round 6 - Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors - Page 2 Tucker10

15. Sean Maitland
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Mark Bennett
12. Alex Dunbar
11. DTH van der Merwe
10. Finn Russell
9. Herny Pyrgos

1. Gordon Reid
2. Pat MacArthur
3. Mike Cusack
4. Jonny Gray
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. Leone Nakarawa
7. Fraser Brown
8. Richie Vernon

16. Kevin Bryce
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Jon Welsh
19. James Eddie
20. Sean Lamont
21. Niko Matawalu
22. Peter Horne
23. Peter Murchie

B. Tournament Form:

1. Bath Rugby

18/1/15 - Toulouse 18 - 35 Bath

12/12/14 - Bath 32 - 12 Montpellier

5/12/14 - Montpellier 5 - 30 Bath

2. Glasgow Warriors

18/1/15 - Glasgow 21 - 10 Montpellier

13/12/14 - Glasgow 9 - 12 Toulouse

7/12/14 - Toulouse 19 - 11 Glasgow

C. Head to Head

7 Played 7
5 Wins 2
2 Losses 5
0 Draws 0
19 Tries 18
11 Conversions 13
19 Penalties 17
0 Drop Goals 0
174 Points 167

by TJ Fri 23 Jan 2015, 11:08 am

IanBru wrote:I was reliably informed that Scarlett Johansson is really into me, but apparently she hasn't called because she has a pathological fear of rejection.

Scott Johnson surely?

by beshocked Fri 23 Jan 2015, 11:29 am

George Carlin love your representatives of Bath and Glasgow! Think Glasgow win that comparison comfortably!

Two teams that have made me had to change my opinions.

Glasgow a lot better than they used to be - will hope Bath play in a similar style to the one they did vs Toulouse.

If Bath are to win they need to be tactically intelligent - they've become a stronger side both physically and mentally - the backs defend better than they did last season, the forwards have more of an edge to them.

They shouldn't look to copy the Toulouse result, the one they should copy is the Gloucester result where they smothered the Gloucester defence -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/30496842

Glasgow in comparison need to try and encourage Bath to play a game that suits them.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:05 pm

I hate to give the soap dodgers any excuses, but to win this they really needed the 1st XV fit and firing. Bath for me will have too much attacking edge, plus home advantage is a big thing.

I hope to be wrong!

Still, an excellent match to get the Scotland representatives match sharp ahead of the 6 Nations against a high calibre team.

by IanBru Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:10 pm

Glasgow's side to play Bath on Sunday:
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by MacKnocked-on Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:11 pm

So Fraser Brown named at 7, Vernon at 8 and looking at the subs list it seems that Lamont has been named as a forward?

by IanBru Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:13 pm

Yep, a backrow made up of a lock, a hooker and a No.8-converted-to-centre-converted-to-No.8, with a Centre/Wing as bench cover.

As my esteemed colleague, the purveyor of Plaid Scones, has commented, we're royally feiced.

At the very least, we've got Mike Cusack starting, which should be worth 6-9 points in kickable scrum penalties. Great to see him back in the prime-time.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:19 pm

Wow - Brown deemed a better bet at 7 than Jedi!!

Backline looks good, front 5 looks good, back row is a dogs dinner of Scott Johnson proportions (at least Toonie was forced into it).

Best of luck Glasgow. Real shame that Naka isn't in the second row instead of Kellock, and that Harley, Fusaro and Strauss can't form the back row.

by MacKnocked-on Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:21 pm

Surprised Eddie isn't starting considering the make up of the back row, and is Wilson injured or out of the reckoning due to his current trial?

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:23 pm

Have heart my boys. Braveheart

We have a first class set of backs. If the ball gats to them we can ruffle a few feathers.
With Naka, Ickle Jon and Cap'n K we should win some lineout ball.
We have two props who look like props (always a bonus in my eyes) and a choice of hookers to throw at the line out. Very Happy

And as an added bonus we have an extremely mobile back row.
If we need inspiration in the latter stages we have Schlong and Jedi to come on.
Have I mentioned an extremely mobile back row?
angel

is partnering Dunbar in the centres Yahoo

Our back row is pretty nippy.
Maitland gets to show us what a good full back he is.
The back row looks pretty quick if you ask me.

by IanBru Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:32 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Wow - Brown deemed a better bet at 7 than Jedi!!

Interestingly (or not, depending on your mood), I looked on the SRU website a couple days ago (it's how I spend my time. Don't judge.) and Fraser Brown was listed as 'Position: Hooker / Back-row'.

Now, obviously he's a hooker, but I'm assuming he was a rather more successful example of a McInally-type back-row convert.

by Bathman_in_London Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:33 pm

Bath Rugby team to face Glasgow Warriors

15 Anthony Watson
14 Horacio Agulla
13 Jonathan Joseph
12 Kyle Eastmond
11 Matt Banahan
10 George Ford
9 Chris Cook
1 Paul James
2 Rob Webber
3 Dave Wilson
4 Stuart Hooper (c)
5 Dominic Day
6 Matt Garvey
7 Francois Louw
8 Leroy Houston

Replacements

16 Ross Batty
17 Nick Auterac
18 Henry Thomas
19 Dave Attwood
20 Carl Fearns
21 Peter Stringer
22 Ollie Devoto
23 Sam Burgess

Looks like as strong a team as we could put out, Allez Allez!

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:40 pm

IanBru wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Wow - Brown deemed a better bet at 7 than Jedi!!
Interestingly (or not, depending on your mood), I looked on the SRU website a couple days ago (it's how I spend my time. Don't judge.) and Fraser Brown was listed as 'Position: Hooker / Back-row'.

Now, obviously he's a hooker, but I'm assuming he was a rather more successful example of a McInally-type back-row convert.

by TJ Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:44 pm

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm If Glasgow get a share of the ball they will run riot with that back row and set of backs - but its a big If. Scrums could be tricky and breakdown could be difficult. How quick are the Bath back row cos the glasgow one is very speedy?. Glasgow will need to play very high tempo and move them around the park a lot. Get stuck in a forward / breakdown battle and Glasgow will find it hard to keep the ball. Glasgow will need to keep the ball away from the bath back row. Offloads rather than rucking but thats high risk

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:50 pm

I endorse your comments TJ, but doesn't it just make the prospect just a little more mouth watering?
This match could be a classic.

by TJ Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:53 pm

Jiumbo - I can't make up my mind if its a " must watch" or " hide behind the sofa" I may do both

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 12:55 pm

Yes, behind the sofa watching through your fingers. Especially once Mad Mat McMad comes on.

by **RDW** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 1:06 pm

Ooft that is a rough Glasgow back row - the likes of which we have never seen before.

Have no fear though weegies - Fraser Brown was capped in the back row for Scotland before playing hooker for Glasgow, so I'm sure he'll be awesome there.

Scotland does have rigorous selection policies for picking people after all! Whistle

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 1:45 pm

Put your faith in the Mighty Tombola. The Tombola speaks and Toonie obeys. It says NoMaits can play 15 and play 15 he shall.
Fraser Brown is good enough to play as an international 6, but he can't get into the Glasgow backrow ahead of Rob Harley, Bluto or even Batman. So what? There are plenty of international 6's who couldn't displace Rob Harley: ask Kellybrows. Whistle

by Nematode Fri 23 Jan 2015, 2:16 pm

Well, didn't see that coming. Is Will Bordill in the squad?

Nakarawa has played 8 before for Glasgow, and Eddie is a very good 6. Then Vernon could have played his more natural 7 (or Brown).

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm

Nema, I don't think the numbers will have too much of a bearing. I think Glasgow will look to play a fast, off-loading game in attack and look to smash the Bath forwards off the ball in defence. 6-8 will probably receive in depth, detailed instructions such as; get to the ball carrier/breakdown and give it some malky.

by R!skysports Fri 23 Jan 2015, 2:57 pm

Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

by R!skysports Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:01 pm

Just saw Maitland off to London Irish..

by funnyExiledScot Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:27 pm

Riskysports wrote:Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

World Class.

by **LondonTiger** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:39 pm

Last time these two met, the Bath back row comprised two second row forwards (one still in the academy) and a novice No8 at open side. This time they have specialists led by François Louw, one of the very few world class players in the AP.

by reallybored Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:46 pm

Classic selection from Townie.

Mon the Weegies, give these drippers a damn good thrashing again.

by VinceWLB Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:49 pm

Was happy with the team at first because Cusack was obviously the 1st i noticed, then i saw Brown at 7 and even worse Vernon at 8!
This is pretty strange i would definitely have started the Jedi in these circumstances and put Nakarawa to 8 with both back row wannabee on the bench.

Surprised no one has spotted it but Grant is out too, so recent events most certainly had a bearing on the team selection. Grant omission doesn't really weaken the team mind you.

Excellent back line, probably the best Glasgow can put out.

For all the talk about Bath having an injury crisis in the 1st leg, look this is what a real injury crisis looks like!

by TJ Fri 23 Jan 2015, 3:50 pm

Riskysports wrote:Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

Yes. perhaps a bit lightweight but very very fast - so if their speed gets them to the breakdown first they will win ball, if they do not outrun the Bath backrow the bath backrow power will win them ball.

Vernon is fast for a back let alone a forward ( he has recently converted to centre but is back in the back row for this game due to injuries. He has caps for Scotland in the back row)

by VinceWLB Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:07 pm

TJ wrote:
Riskysports wrote:Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

Yes. perhaps a bit lightweight but very very fast - so if their speed gets them to the breakdown first they will win ball, if they do not outrun the Bath backrow the bath backrow power will win them ball.

Vernon is fast for a back let alone a forward ( he has recently converted to centre but is back in the back row for this game due to injuries. He has caps for Scotland in the back row)

One of the most overlooked fact in modern rugby is you also need weight at the breakdown either for clearing out or being hard to be cleared, one of the reason Fusaro hasn't quite developed into a great open side and why Big Bad Bob Harley is a pain in the arse at the breakdown.

by Nematode Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm

I suppose Grant and Wilson might have missed some training with everything that's going on so I suppose it's understandable they're not in the 23.

by Majestic83 Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:27 pm

IanBru wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:Wow - Brown deemed a better bet at 7 than Jedi!!
Interestingly (or not, depending on your mood), I looked on the SRU website a couple days ago (it's how I spend my time. Don't judge.) and Fraser Brown was listed as 'Position: Hooker / Back-row'.

Now, obviously he's a hooker, but I'm assuming he was a rather more successful example of a McInally-type back-row convert.

Nah Brown has always been a hooker but after his neck injury at Edinburgh he played club rugby for Heriots and a few games for my team(mainly at 7s) where he played openside as he still needed to do a lot of strength work on his neck to be able to scrummage.
He was actually very good at 7 and was very good on the deck at winning turn over ball and is very quick about the park. Obviously he wont be as good as a regular international 7 but think he should do a decent shift at 7 for Glasgow.

by Bathite Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:28 pm

So it seems like it is almost a carbon copy of the first leg. We were decimated in the back row and second row in Glasgow and you gave us a pumping, let's see what happens on Sunday. Best of luck. Should be a great game, two great attacking sides. Some of the stuff you played in the first leg was awesome to watch.

by **George Carlin** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:43 pm

Well. Very difficult to know what's going to happen here.

It's already been thrashed to death above, but there is no precedent for that loose forward trio working as a collective, so we have absolutely no way of knowing if it's going to work or become an absolutely shambles. It's absolutely clear that Glasgow will be playing their high risk, high reward offloading game.

One thing is for certain - it's one of the fastest sets of forwards we have ever put out. Brown is not such a strange choice - he prefers creating mayhem and he is very quick indeed for a forward. Toonie will just have told him to forget anything fancy, watch the phases and maraud about the place as he wishes. Naka has covered 6 before, of course, and we all know Vernon has covered 8.

The loosies will be the focus, but you also have to quietly realize that Glasgow tight 5 is absolutely solid and that backline is sparkling and with ball could score a bucketload. James versus Cusack is a mighty collision. James won't be used to giving away fully 3 stones to his opposite number, but he is here. Then again, Reid is also a good deal smaller than Wilson.

If Bath is smart (and they are), then they will play a methodical, structured game and let their specialists do their thing and choke off possession. If they do that, and Ford kicks for position, then they'll win. If they try and play fast and loose, they could win by 4 scores but they could also lose by 4 scores.

Edit: very strong prop replacements on both sides. Welsh will need to hit his straps to lock down Auterac in the last quarter of the game, but he is certainly good enough to do it.

by **George Carlin** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:43 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Riskysports wrote:Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

World Class.

Never gets old.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 23 Jan 2015, 4:50 pm

George Carlin wrote:Well. Very difficult to know what's going to happen here.

Glasgow will lose.

by Tattie Scones RRN Fri 23 Jan 2015, 5:47 pm

Nematode wrote:I suppose Grant and Wilson might have missed some training with everything that's going on so I suppose it's understandable they're not in the 23.

My same source also reliably informs me that the guys involved are not allowed to play.

by **George Carlin** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 6:00 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:
Nematode wrote:I suppose Grant and Wilson might have missed some training with everything that's going on so I suppose it's understandable they're not in the 23.

My same source also reliably informs me that the guys involved are not allowed to play.

I heard the same. Presumably it's an SRU thing. Liked BVC's gentle quote that they were innocent until proven otherwise but had been left out of the Scotland squad as 'they had a bit on their plates at the moment'.

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 6:08 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Well. Very difficult to know what's going to happen here.

Glasgow will lose.

Neithernor does it again; neither helpful nor funny. picard

GC on the other hand is spot on: it could be a very frustrating watch as Bath choke the life out of the game and score in threes or it could be an all time tryfest.
I have a feeling that if Glasgow score early and get in amongst them (as it were) and don't allow them to settle or impose their gameplan then we could win.
It just might all come down to what the mood in the Glasgow camp is: belligerent or cagey? let's hope they come out roaring. Braveheart

by IanBru Fri 23 Jan 2015, 6:18 pm

jimbopip wrote:I have a feeling that if Glasgow score early and get in amongst them (as it were) and don't allow them to settle or impose their gameplan then we could win.

I have a final-round job interview in the first week of February, and I'm sorely tempted to drop that phrase in at random points through my answers. Maybe spice it with a little "If you know what I mean", and the occasional "Say no more" accompanied with a cheeky wink.

I can't see how this could possibly go wrong.

Very Happy

by jimbopip Fri 23 Jan 2015, 6:29 pm

IanBru wrote:
jimbopip wrote:I have a feeling that if Glasgow score early and get in amongst them (as it were) and don't allow them to settle or impose their gameplan then we could win.
I have a final-round job interview in the first week of February, and I'm sorely tempted to drop that phrase in at random points through my answers. Maybe spice it with a little "If you know what I mean", and the occasional "Say no more" accompanied with a cheeky wink.

I can't see how this could possibly go wrong.

Brumeister, are these from your "Interesting Conversational Gambits For Dinner Parties With People Who Are Not Common" handbook? Personally I always find that the most effective icebreaker is to ask the host,
"Your wife, is she a goer? Nudge nudge say no more."

p.s. As I am playing tomorrow (shambling myopically round the pitch) I cannot make Baarf on Sunday. Tattie Scones will be there: do yourself a favour and arrange an after match cocktail with him.

by **George Carlin** Fri 23 Jan 2015, 8:38 pm

IanBru wrote:
jimbopip wrote:I have a feeling that if Glasgow score early and get in amongst them (as it were) and don't allow them to settle or impose their gameplan then we could win.
I have a final-round job interview in the first week of February, and I'm sorely tempted to drop that phrase in at random points through my answers. Maybe spice it with a little "If you know what I mean", and the occasional "Say no more" accompanied with a cheeky wink.

I can't see how this could possibly go wrong.

ERCC: Pool 4, Round 6 - Bath Rugby v Glasgow Warriors - Page 2 Monty_10

by **RDW** Sun 25 Jan 2015, 8:42 am

Am I right in thinking if Glasgow win this - even without a bp - there's a chance they can qualify now?

by malky1963 Sun 25 Jan 2015, 9:07 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Am I right in thinking if Glasgow win this - even without a bp - there's a chance they can qualify now?

You are correct

Saracens have 17 points and a points difference of +36
Glasgow have 14 points and a points difference of +29

Therefore if Glasgow win and Saracens don't get a losing BP then it's clear cut.
If Saracens do get a losing BP then it depends on points difference and could be very tight unless Glasgow win by several points.

by **RDW** Sun 25 Jan 2015, 9:14 am

Well sarries have Clermont away, which is no easy task!

First things first though, Glasgow need to win...

by **George Carlin** Sun 25 Jan 2015, 9:36 am

malky1963 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Am I right in thinking if Glasgow win this - even without a bp - there's a chance they can qualify now?

You are correct

Saracens have 17 points and a points difference of +36
Glasgow have 14 points and a points difference of +29

Therefore if Glasgow win and Saracens don't get a losing BP then it's clear cut.
If Saracens do get a losing BP then it depends on points difference and could be very tight unless Glasgow win by several points.

I think that we need to pray for Clermont to deliver a large wedgie in the Stade Michelin.

Bath currently has the meanest defence in the league and I can't see them conceding 4 tries this afternoon.

by IanBru Sun 25 Jan 2015, 9:43 am

My understanding is that teams tied on points are separated first by tries scored, then by points difference.

So, as it currently stands:
Saracens have 17 points, 12 tries scored, and a points difference of +36
Glasgow have 14 points, 9 tries scored, and a points difference of +29.

A Glasgow win and Saracens load with losing BP will probably eliminate that gap in points difference, but Glasgow will still have to score three more tries than Saracens.

by VinceWLB Sun 25 Jan 2015, 9:45 am

I think if the Glasgow's defense remains as strong as it has been this tournament (best defense with only 4 tries conceded) Glasgow has a decent chance in this one, i reckon that backline has some tries in it. Big ask though as that backrow doesn't make me very confident. Nakarawa hasn't looked great the few times he played at blindside and Brown isn't a tackling machine like Bob or Sherlock.

by TJ Sun 25 Jan 2015, 11:35 am

VinceWLB wrote:
TJ wrote:
Riskysports wrote:Is the Glasgow back row quite fast?

Yes. perhaps a bit lightweight but very very fast - so if their speed gets them to the breakdown first they will win ball, if they do not outrun the Bath backrow the bath backrow power will win them ball.

Vernon is fast for a back let alone a forward ( he has recently converted to centre but is back in the back row for this game due to injuries. He has caps for Scotland in the back row)

One of the most overlooked fact in modern rugby is you also need weight at the breakdown either for clearing out or being hard to be cleared, one of the reason Fusaro hasn't quite developed into a great open side and why Big Bad Bob Harley is a pain in the arse at the breakdown.

I agree - which is why if the Glasgows back row speed gets 'em their first they will win the ball - but if its a straight contest the Bath boys will steal it with their extrea power and weight

by malky1963 Sun 25 Jan 2015, 11:44 am

IanBru wrote:My understanding is that teams tied on points are separated first by tries scored, then by points difference.

So, as it currently stands:
Saracens have 17 points, 12 tries scored, and a points difference of +36
Glasgow have 14 points, 9 tries scored, and a points difference of +29.

A Glasgow win and Saracens load with losing BP will probably eliminate that gap in points difference, but Glasgow will still have to score three more tries than Saracens.

I think I read on another forum that it has changed this year with the new format to points difference.

by HammerofThunor Sun 25 Jan 2015, 12:51 pm

ERCC Rules wrote:2.2 Four points for a win, two points for a draw. A bonus point will be awarded to a club scoring four or more tries and to a club losing by seven points or fewer.

2.3 The five pool winners and three best-placed runners-up will qualify for the quarter-finals and will be decided as follows:
(a) The pool winner will be the club with the highest number of match points in each pool. The best-placed runners-up will be the three clubs with the highest number of match points out of the five clubs that finish second in their respective pools. For the quarter-finals, the pool winners will be ranked 1 to 5 and the best-placed runners-up ranked 6th, 7th and 8th by reference to the number of match points earned.

(b) If two or more clubs in the same pool are equal on match points, their ranking will be determined by the matches played between the relevant clubs as follows:
(i) the club with the greater number of match points from those matches; or
(ii) if equal, the club with the best aggregate points difference from those matches; or
(iii) if equal, the club that scored the most tries in those matches.

(c) If ranking remains unresolved and/or if clubs have not played each other previously in the pool stage, ranking will be determined as follows:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended for incidents in the pool stage; or
(iv) if equal, by drawing lots.

So if Saracens lose without a BP (-8) and Glasgow win (+1) Glasgow will be ranked higher.

Edit: scrap that. If Glasgow win and Sarries lose without BP it'll be 18 to 17 so Glasgow would be ranked higher anyway. So if Glasgow win by 8 points or more then Saracens just need to lose.

Edit2: good luck both. Hoping Bath play better than the English sides yesterday.

by **George Carlin** Sun 25 Jan 2015, 12:58 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:
ERCC Rules wrote:2.2 Four points for a win, two points for a draw. A bonus point will be awarded to a club scoring four or more tries and to a club losing by seven points or fewer.

2.3 The five pool winners and three best-placed runners-up will qualify for the quarter-finals and will be decided as follows:
(a) The pool winner will be the club with the highest number of match points in each pool. The best-placed runners-up will be the three clubs with the highest number of match points out of the five clubs that finish second in their respective pools. For the quarter-finals, the pool winners will be ranked 1 to 5 and the best-placed runners-up ranked 6th, 7th and 8th by reference to the number of match points earned.

(b) If two or more clubs in the same pool are equal on match points, their ranking will be determined by the matches played between the relevant clubs as follows:
(i) the club with the greater number of match points from those matches; or
(ii) if equal, the club with the best aggregate points difference from those matches; or
(iii) if equal, the club that scored the most tries in those matches.

(c) If ranking remains unresolved and/or if clubs have not played each other previously in the pool stage, ranking will be determined as follows:
(i) the best aggregate points difference from the pool stage; or
(ii) if equal, the number of tries scored in the pool stage; or
(iii) if equal, the club with the fewest number of players suspended for incidents in the pool stage; or
(iv) if equal, by drawing lots.

So if Saracens lose without a BP (-8) and Glasgow win (+1) Glasgow will be ranked higher.

Edit: scrap that. If Glasgow win and Sarries lose without BP it'll be 18 to 17 so Glasgow would be ranked higher anyway. So if Glasgow win by 8 points or more then Saracens just need to lose.

Edit2: good luck both. Hoping Bath play better than the English sides yesterday.

Good work, Hammer. Am too stoopid to have worked that out for myself. Very Happy

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