2nd offence = 15 Year Ban

Scapegoat.

Cant say I can complain, I mean if hes stupid enough to do this twice...

15 years is a weird time frame, it might as well be a life ban. Its the end of his career either way.

I thought that 2 LuvSports, the devil that I am.

Roddick seems glad he got caught

15 years is fair enough. Idiotic to the nth degree to get caught again.

LuvSports! wrote:Scapegoat.

Meaning? Assuming, that is, that you're not just being deliberately controversial

kingraf wrote:15 years is fair enough. Idiotic to the nth degree to get caught again.

Last time he was "smoking" but not "inhaling", IIRC. This time he "inhaled". If the first offense was "dumb", the second one is "dumber".

Well I hope he goes all out and exposes all the players. Nothing would please me more than for every tennis fan to take a bite on the same sh!t sandwich.

LK.. I think Odesnik should consider writing a book, since his Tennis career is effectively over. He can make money too.

LF I think the money aside it requires an expose. Success and money drives most forms of doping, but least he could point fingers and give the ITF a foothold in the game.

Tennis isnt a team sport though. In cycling, one expose rats out an entire team. Wayne might not have had any idea who else might be doing stuff.

Very true but there are clinics people go to collect the "goods" were people of different teams and networks (maybe players) would be perhaps. Clientèle lists... Puerto.

Interesting comment about the book! Would indeed be worth a read? Although, perhaps unethical to make money from this, so I would not buy it unless he stated it was a charitable venture with all the profits going to anti drugs fight?

It's interesting the prize money forfeit as that is not usual for drugs bans in any sport as far as I know? I wonder if they were enable to do this because he has not yet been paid the money in the first place, rather than requiring it to be paid back?

temporary21 wrote:Tennis isnt a team sport though. In cycling, one expose rats out an entire team. Wayne might not have had any idea who else might be doing stuff.

This always strikes me as a reason why its less likely doping is endemic within tennis. Cycling very much had an "everyone is doing it" so that's ok approach. In tennis, I have no doubt there are some players who are enhancing their performance but would any of them know if others were? I guess in some of the big academies that would possibly be the case but otherwise?

Born Slippy wrote:

temporary21 wrote:Tennis isnt a team sport though. In cycling, one expose rats out an entire team. Wayne might not have had any idea who else might be doing stuff.

This always strikes me as a reason why its less likely doping is endemic within tennis. Cycling very much had an "everyone is doing it" so that's ok approach. In tennis, I have no doubt there are some players who are enhancing their performance but would any of them know if others were? I guess in some of the big academies that would possibly be the case but otherwise?

We know Odesnik doped, yet he was not particularly known for his physical prowess. It kind of raises questions about those top players who look absolutely incredible athletes.

TheMessi wrote:

Born Slippy wrote:

temporary21 wrote:Tennis isnt a team sport though. In cycling, one expose rats out an entire team. Wayne might not have had any idea who else might be doing stuff.

This always strikes me as a reason why its less likely doping is endemic within tennis. Cycling very much had an "everyone is doing it" so that's ok approach. In tennis, I have no doubt there are some players who are enhancing their performance but would any of them know if others were? I guess in some of the big academies that would possibly be the case but otherwise?

We know Odesnik doped, yet he was not particularly known for his physical prowess. It kind of raises questions about those top players who look absolutely incredible athletes.

Some have really good genes and have that athlete shape and yes there are those who are sneakier with how they take their "gear" and hide it from the authorities.

Well doping doesn't guarantee peak physical shape, it just lets you train longer, you still need to put training in to make it work. Wayne probably didnt put the work in to make use of the stuff.

Said this a few times now, but you couldn't even hope to overestimate how far along sports science has come in the twenty first century. Until a short while ago, there was no understanding that muscles have sub divisions, so to speak. Local and global stabilisers, and global mobilisers. You strengthen each type differently. Wayne Ferreira was one of the first to sort of jump on this new train of thought, and it helped had serve speed. It's not just this, of course. Greater knowledge in the field of nutrition, and recovery. If you're at the top of the game, earning basically a million a month, you don't need to dope. You could go pretty far in replicating the benefits of PEDs without ever getting naughty. No surprise it's the lower ranked guys who get caught. They can't afford the legal route...

Or they're on gear that is worse at hurdling itf tests?

I think that could be argued either way Kingraf. Lance Armstrong was hardly a poor journeyman with no backup team or resources....

Odesnik should never have been allowed to play tennis again - one of the worst cheats in the history of the game, his original voluntary sabaatical was a cover for a hole in the rules.  But tennis has a larger issue:  their doping enforcement is a joke.  I've written about this before, and when you look at the history of tennis doping, it seems they're more concerned with making the game appear to be clean than actually making it clean.

http://tennis-column.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-only-dope-is-anti-doping-believer.html

Tbh HB, Armstrong was Sooo long ago. It's the proverbial eternity in sports science.

Look, there's reason to be cynical, but some of the thinking borders on ridiculous. As an example, a year or so when Rochus made suggestive comments regarding the top players and power pellets, a lot of people on here said, a few times, that a pro would know, as they share lockers. Now that it seems like Odesnik is going down and down alone... apparently the lower ranked players are none the wiser about these things. So the pros definitely dope. It's no better than the tin foil brigade.

Spot on Mmt1