6 Nations 2015 - Garbage Team of the Tournament

15 - McLean (Italy) - jeez even his name's Scottish ffs !
14 - Fife (Scotland)
13 - ?
12 - Scott (Scotland)
11 - Visser (Scotland)
10 - Orquera (Italy)
9 - Laidlaw (Scotland)
8 - Beattie (Scotland)
7 - Bergamasco (Italy)
6- Strokosch (Scotland)
5 - Hamilton (Scotland)
4 - ?
3 - Cross (Scotland)
2 - Ford (Scotland)
1 - Dickinson (Scotland)

Coached by Cotter and the rest of the Scotland coaching dunces

Surely McHaumona at 10?

Hartley at 2 for me.  Where has he been?  I've barely heard his name mentioned, he disintegrated against Ireland.  I wonder if the psychology stuff which aims to stop him being banned is making him vapid.

Burrell at 12.

Offered absolutely nothing.

Chouly at 8 and of course Pape at 4

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:15 - McLean (Italy) - jeez even his name's Scottish ffs !

Good spot. Have an Andy Nicol.

Toolis at lock .
Debut game for les jocks

Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir

Bennett at 13

tigertattie wrote:Bennett at 13

harsh! Bennett was one of the only things for Scotland that could even remotely be described as a positive (with Hogg, and maybe Gray). Overall think the team needs a few more Frenchies in there. They were fairly shocking for the most part!

I know was just seeing if 21st would take the bait

How the team doesnt have Haimona at 10 is astonishing.

I think Haskell is not far off at 6.

tigertattie wrote:I know was just seeing if 21st would take the bait

As you know, young sir, I am on super secret, final, secret warning that this may be my last ever, secret warning !

You could probably pick any of the Italian FHs couldn't you? Haimona had some decent moments against England (ball in hand, obviously) but was dreadful otherwise. Allan and Orquera awful too. It's just a position the Italians have never looked like solving sice Dominguez retired.

Strong cases for Ryan Grant at 1, Swinson at lock, Harley at 6 and Russell at 10. All falling short of their World Class reputations.

Mike Brown had a poor enough tournament. He is also a bit of a sore loser.

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/9771871/englands-mike-brown-praises-france-for-efforts-at-twickenham

Cardiff Dave wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:15 - McLean (Italy) - jeez even his name's Scottish ffs !

Good spot. Have an Andy Nicol.

Relax boys hes actually an Australian.

GunsGerms wrote:Mike Brown had a poor enough tournament. He is also a bit of a sore loser.

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/9771871/englands-mike-brown-praises-france-for-efforts-at-twickenham

 Sore loser yes, definitely. Poor tournament, not really

My dislike for Brown grows ever more!

""Massive credit to the French for the way they fronted up for this game and for the way they played, compared to a few other countries," said Brown.

"Fair play to France, they played a game. I don't need to say anything else. Everyone knows it."

Oh dear. Even allowing for emotions in the heat of the moment, not classy nor really thinking things through....

Obviously it was okay for Brown that England could score six against Italy, and concede three in Twickenham, but not for Wales to score eight against them and concede two in Rome.

And whilst England scored three against Scotland, conceded one and 2 penalties, and rued missed chances in Twickenham, it wasn't on for Ireland to score four and concede one and one penalty in Murrayfield.

And it certainly wasn't anything to do with conceding 5 tries to France in a match in which they were up 27-15 at half-time in Twickenham.

Interesting that England had to chase a points target last year, and beat Italy 7 tries to 1 (52-11) in Rome by the exact same margin as Wales did this year in Rome. Don't think they complained about Italy not playing then....

We don't need to do this, do we? Really?

It's a veritable Jacuzzi of Self Loathing that we're settling into now.

The big Bastaraud at 13?

Almost tempted to suggest Attwood as the other 2nd row - not that he was really bad, just not anywhere near as good at his job as expected. Rarely makes the hard yards and at fault a few times in defence (more to do with positioning and alignment than actually making or missing tackles).

Kearney at 15

don't want to be overly critical, but I don't think he is bringing much to the table at the minute.

He should have had that bouncing ball which led to the Scottish try and he just doesn't look a threat going forward.

1. Grant
2. Ford
3. Jarvis
4. Pape
5. Hamilton
6. Harley
7. Haskell
8. Chouly
9. Parra
10. Haemona
11. Fife
12. Burrell
13. Basteraud
14. Cuthbert
15. Kearney

Some may seem harsh, but I've gone for some players who I really expected more from.....

very harsh on Parra, he was at the forefront of pretty much the only things France did well all tournament. Kockott would surely be a more logical choice? Other than that, in terms of a "let-down" XV it's a pretty good shout.

Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.

Careful now. There are still a few Irish on the right side of the water who know where Fife is and have posters of Henshaw on their wall!!

funnyExiledScot wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.

Careful now. There are still a few Irish on the right side of the water who know where Fife is and have posters of Henshaw on their wall!!

my comment stands. Roberts and Dunbar were a cut above all the other 12s. Henshaw was solid if unspectacular. Roberts typically very destructive (apart from the 2nd half against England).

I also conceded we would ship points to England the second Dunbar was injured. Matt Scott hides it well but his defensive abilities are similar to Visser's

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:very harsh on Parra, he was at the forefront of pretty much the only things France did well all tournament. Kockott would surely be a more logical choice? Other than that, in terms of a "let-down" XV it's a pretty good shout.

Yeah that was probably my harshest call (and I nearly defaulted to putting Philips in to be honest) but I just expected him to take control and direct the french around. Even when he was on the ptich France just didnt seem to equal the sum of their parts, I rate Parra very, very highly so I guess that calls just a peronsal one, I'd be the first to admit there were worse french scrumhalves than him, let alone throughout the rst of the competition!

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

They didn't and that's history.

So anyway, to paraphrase Blackadder. You're talking bollox. So, England let in one try more than Scotland who let in less than France and all of a sudden Brown is the tournament's worst full back? I suppose the Scottish 15 was head and shoulders above Brown? We're talking about a team here that got the wooden spoon - they don't just give those away you know, the team has to be really and collectively 'special' to get one of those.

How you don't have the entire, and I mean entire Scottish team named in your list, is baffling.

But then the Scottish full back wasn't interviewed post-thrashing on Saturday, which may have influenced your decision, had he said something you didn't like.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

We certainly made bad decisions agaisnt Scotland and had awful execution. I actually don't think that out of any of the 7+ tries we left on the field, a single one was down to poor decision making by Brown. The only arguable one was when he was tackled by Hogg, with no support and running with one shoe. He also played very well against Wales, and against France. So I think your decision is mad and also impossible to back up except that his admittedly unwise and discourteous comments have blinded you with rage. He had an awful moment in defence vs France, once, and could argue to have contributed to Italy's first try, though incorrectly. Against Scotland he made several try Saving tackles, though fewer than Hogg admittedly.

Certainly Kearney and McClean had much worse tournaments at FB, Spedding too IMO.

Scotland laid down their bodies for the greater cause.............Ireland's.

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

We certainly made bad decisions agaisnt Scotland and had awful execution. I actually don't think that out of any of the 7+ tries we left on the field, a single one was down to poor decision making by Brown. The only arguable one was when he was tackled by Hogg, with no support and running with one shoe. He also played very well against Wales, and against France. So I think your decision is mad and also impossible to back up except that his admittedly unwise and discourteous comments have blinded you with rage. He had an awful moment in defence vs France, once, and could argue to have contributed to Italy's first try, though incorrectly. Against Scotland he made several try Saving tackles, though fewer than Hogg admittedly.

Certainly Kearney and McClean had much worse tournaments at FB, Spedding too IMO.

Nail. Hit. Head.

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

They didn't and that's history.

So anyway, to paraphrase Blackadder. You're talking bollox. So, England let in one try more than Scotland who let in less than France and all of a sudden Brown is the tournament's worst full back? I suppose the Scottish 15 was head and shoulders above Brown? We're talking about a team here that got the wooden spoon - they don't just give those away you know, the team has to be really and collectively 'special' to get one of those.

How you don't have the entire, and I mean entire Scottish team named in your list, is baffling.

But then the Scottish full back wasn't interviewed post-thrashing on Saturday, which may have influenced your decision, had he said something you didn't like.

To be fair, Hogg has been Scotland's best player this tournament and might make an unbiased team of the tournament. Single handedly saved 3 tries against England. He is also at least as much if not more of a boobie than Brown was saying what he said though.

Jimpy wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

We certainly made bad decisions agaisnt Scotland and had awful execution. I actually don't think that out of any of the 7+ tries we left on the field, a single one was down to poor decision making by Brown. The only arguable one was when he was tackled by Hogg, with no support and running with one shoe. He also played very well against Wales, and against France. So I think your decision is mad and also impossible to back up except that his admittedly unwise and discourteous comments have blinded you with rage. He had an awful moment in defence vs France, once, and could argue to have contributed to Italy's first try, though incorrectly. Against Scotland he made several try Saving tackles, though fewer than Hogg admittedly.

Certainly Kearney and McClean had much worse tournaments at FB, Spedding too IMO.

Nail. Hit. Head.

So I'm wrong, Mike Brown was entirely justifiable in his comments? You know you are being a pleb when Will Carling says you are being a pleb.

The winners played the wooden spooners at Murrayfield and we were beaten by 30 points, I'm struggling to understand how we can be blamed for your team's sloppy defending against France and Italy or your failure to capitalize on breaking Scotland's defensive line almost at will at Twickenham.

Brown and his team have to take the blame themselves for not winning the 6N. Blaming Scotland and Italy for England's failures is just stupid.

It could easily be said that Italy didn't play against anyone apart from Scotland. They got hammered by Ireland, Convincingly beaten by England, Drubbed by France and then routed by Wales. I saw no such hints of capitulation at Murrayfield.

However getting into this debate means the thread is sliding into the realms of preposterous. England didn't win the 6N but despite the moaning from a player like Brown their fate was ultimately in their own hands.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

We certainly made bad decisions agaisnt Scotland and had awful execution. I actually don't think that out of any of the 7+ tries we left on the field, a single one was down to poor decision making by Brown. The only arguable one was when he was tackled by Hogg, with no support and running with one shoe. He also played very well against Wales, and against France. So I think your decision is mad and also impossible to back up except that his admittedly unwise and discourteous comments have blinded you with rage. He had an awful moment in defence vs France, once, and could argue to have contributed to Italy's first try, though incorrectly. Against Scotland he made several try Saving tackles, though fewer than Hogg admittedly.

Certainly Kearney and McClean had much worse tournaments at FB, Spedding too IMO.

Nail. Hit. Head.

So I'm wrong, Mike Brown was entirely justifiable in his comments? You know you are being a pleb when Will Carling says you are being a pleb.  

The winners played the wooden spooners at Murrayfield and we were beaten by 30 points, I'm struggling to understand how we can be blamed for your team's sloppy defending against France and Italy or your failure to capitalize on breaking Scotland's defensive line almost at will at Twickenham.

Brown and his team have to take the blame themselves for not winning the 6N. Blaming Scotland and Italy for England's failures is just stupid.

It could easily be said that Italy didn't play against anyone apart from Scotland. They got hammered by Ireland, Convincingly beaten by England, Drubbed by France and then routed by Wales. I saw no such hints of capitulation at Murrayfield.

However getting into this debate means the thread is sliding into the realms of preposterous. England didn't win the 6N but despite the moaning from a player like Brown their fate was ultimately in their own hands.

Now, that's ironic.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

Jimpy wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Rory Best will thank his lucky stars that he is a fantastic player in the loose. His line out accuracy is similar to a ten thumbed man wearing mittens.

My worst XV.

1. Grant - Doesn't look like a Lion now does he?
2. Ford -although our lineout was superb he was AWOL at all other times.
3. Castro - Expected a lot, didn't deliver.
4. Toolis - Walked on pitch . 2 mins later yellow carded. Never made it back onto pitch and never made another bench
Take a bow sir  (thank you alive555)
5. Hamilton - Still a violent Penalty magnet.
6. Harley - When we needed him the most he disapeared.
7. Don't know, although Blair Cowan was paying out penalties like a broken bandit.
8. Beattie - Simply awful. What happened to the player of 5 years ago?

9. Mike Phillips - See number 1. Pushed really hard by Laidlaw who was ponderous and dithering.
10. Haimona - Now I understand why playing a lumbering front rower doesn't work at
11. Visser - Tackles like a wet tissue paper, never got the ball in his hands.
12. Burrell? All inside centres apart from Dunbar and Roberts were wildly mediocre.
13. Basteraud - Despite being hard to bring down, what else does he offer?
14. Cuthbert - Ineffective when playing
15. Brown - Not only did he have a terrible tournament he exposed himself as a grade A tosspiece by dismissing Italy and Scotland for not winning their games. Perhaps if you hadn't butchered 2 chances against Scotland you could have been victorious.

This is hilarious, Brown is probably PHSL right now knowing that his comments would be picked up on with such vitriol. Scotland and Italy were embarrassing in the second halves of their final matches. Given what was at stake, its hardly surprising the conspiracy theorists are having a field day.

Brown didn't have a terrible tournament. He wasn't in his best form, but went off concussed against Italy and therefore effectively missed two matches. That included a loss to Ireland where Brown could hardly be blamed and a collectively subclinical match against Scotland that again, Brown was hardly the nucleus for a poor performance. He helped carve both Wales and France apart.

Whilst Butchering a very valuable 14 points against Scotland. Furthermore Scotland conceded less tries than England in their match and a lot less than France.

Ireland let in one try.
Wales let in two.
Scotland let in four.
England let in five.
France let in seven.
Italy let in eight.

If you have a better candidate for the worst full back I'm all ears. It can be argued that Brown cost you your championship by making bad decisions, particularly against Scotland.

Had England tightened up their defences against Italy and France they would have been deserving winners.

We certainly made bad decisions agaisnt Scotland and had awful execution. I actually don't think that out of any of the 7+ tries we left on the field, a single one was down to poor decision making by Brown. The only arguable one was when he was tackled by Hogg, with no support and running with one shoe. He also played very well against Wales, and against France. So I think your decision is mad and also impossible to back up except that his admittedly unwise and discourteous comments have blinded you with rage. He had an awful moment in defence vs France, once, and could argue to have contributed to Italy's first try, though incorrectly. Against Scotland he made several try Saving tackles, though fewer than Hogg admittedly.

Certainly Kearney and McClean had much worse tournaments at FB, Spedding too IMO.

Nail. Hit. Head.

So I'm wrong, Mike Brown was entirely justifiable in his comments? You know you are being a pleb when Will Carling says you are being a pleb.  

The winners played the wooden spooners at Murrayfield and we were beaten by 30 points, I'm struggling to understand how we can be blamed for your team's sloppy defending against France and Italy or your failure to capitalize on breaking Scotland's defensive line almost at will at Twickenham.

Brown and his team have to take the blame themselves for not winning the 6N. Blaming Scotland and Italy for England's failures is just stupid.

It could easily be said that Italy didn't play against anyone apart from Scotland. They got hammered by Ireland, Convincingly beaten by England, Drubbed by France and then routed by Wales. I saw no such hints of capitulation at Murrayfield.

However getting into this debate means the thread is sliding into the realms of preposterous. England didn't win the 6N but despite the moaning from a player like Brown their fate was ultimately in their own hands.

Fairly sure the debate was about who didn't have a good tournament, it's led a bit classless to be honest, not about whether or not we agreed with Brown's comments, which I don't think anyone actually defended? Stop deflecting from the fact that you stated things you can't back up. Brown had an ok tournament. Wasn't the best 15, but missed the match in which he would have been most useful through concussion.

Andy Farrell as defence coach.

btw I think Mike Brown was spot on.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:15 - McLean (Italy) - jeez even his name's Scottish ffs !

Good spot. Have an Andy Nicol.

Relax boys hes actually an Australian.

Cleared out then by the sound of it.