South Africa v USA

Not seen a thread, so not sure if anyone is watching..

.. but USA doing a Japan..

Spoiler:

This game should come with an 18+ certificate - Boks doing the nasty on USA B team!

... and another..

RDW_Scotland wrote:This game should come with an 18+ certificate - Boks doing the nasty on USA B team!

Yeah this is an absolute thumping. Habana playing very well

Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

Jim Carrey and that cow comes to mind.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

I am not really sure what that has to do with anything. Lot's of players do. I am sure there are many who didn't think this was a problem when Dan Biggar led with his knee when he jumped into Finn Russell.

A good win for SA. habana getting a hatrick. Clearly the loss to Japan was a one off.

majesticimperialman wrote:A good win for SA. habana getting a hatrick. Clearly the loss to Japan was a one off.

I fancy the USA to beat Japan

Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

I am not really sure what that has to do with anything. Lot's of players do.  I am sure there are many who didn't think this was a problem when Dan Biggar led with his knee when he jumped into Finn Russell.

I'm not sure either as it happens.

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

I am not really sure what that has to do with anything. Lot's of players do.  I am sure there are many who didn't think this was a problem when Dan Biggar led with his knee when he jumped into Finn Russell.

I'm not sure either as it happens.

majesticimperialman wrote:A good win for SA. habana getting a hatrick. Clearly the loss to Japan was a one off.

Score line good, performance less so.

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Bilt just thinks like a coach.... and let's face it, those guy are seldom happy either (except Cheika on his night of glory against England, the smug f***** ).
There is always a need for recognising the errors present when stepping ahead to the next levels.

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

We'll have to call up Juan De Jongh, and perhaps start with Willem Alberts (given the dance training he's been doing in the gym)

Mr Fishpaste wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

We'll have to call up Juan De Jongh, and perhaps start with Willem Alberts (given the dance training he's been doing in the gym)

ha ha true

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

What mysterious game plan?

It isn't a bloody mystery. And where did I ever say run from our tryline?

The problem with bok supporters with your point of view is anything that doesn't fit in a little playbook is ludicrous.

Hell, all I criticised was the errors, Meyer with his oh so finely tuned gameplan has repeated a million times execution execution.

I suppose tonight he will forgive them all the errors gecause the scoreline looks great, eh?

Looking pretty formidable now...! Well played Boks.

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

What mysterious game plan?

It isn't a bloody mystery. And where did I ever say run from our tryline?

The problem with bok supporters with your point of view is anything that doesn't fit in a little playbook is ludicrous.

Hell, all I criticised was the errors, Meyer with his oh so finely tuned gameplan has repeated a million times execution execution.

I suppose tonight he will forgive them all the errors gecause the scoreline looks great, eh?

Oh come on , people are complaining that the Boks arent playing this razzle dazzle 25 man rugby.

No I am just sick and tired of all these so called "supporters" who run down their team every chance they get. Have some ridiculous bar that can never be met.

I am willing to bet that you would probably want a player dropped from the Proteas side if he doesnt score a hundred every game or a bowler doesnt take a fiver every innings.

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

What mysterious game plan?

It isn't a bloody mystery. And where did I ever say run from our tryline?

The problem with bok supporters with your point of view is anything that doesn't fit in a little playbook is ludicrous.

Hell, all I criticised was the errors, Meyer with his oh so finely tuned gameplan has repeated a million times execution execution.

I suppose tonight he will forgive them all the errors gecause the scoreline looks great, eh?

Oh come on , people are complaining that the Boks arent playing this razzle dazzle 25 man rugby.

No I am just sick and tired of all these so called "supporters" who run down their team every chance they get. Have some ridiculous bar that can never be met.

I am willing to bet that you would probably want a player dropped from the Proteas side if he doesnt score a hundred every game or a bowler doesnt take a fiver every innings.

I am wasting my time here.

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Protea, what would you like me do?

Look at the scoreboard and get all lyrical about it?

Watch the game, then count the unforced errors.

No you dont, but i think its nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking.

No it isn't nitpicking, we cannot hope to beat up every team physically, against better teams we need to rely on our ball skills finishing every potential opportunitty.

Those erros will cost us against top teams.

I could never understand this mysterious game plan the Boks must play, must we run it from our try line everytime even if its pouring with rain.

Currently we have scored the most points and the most tries,. Must the Boks show more dance moves or something

What mysterious game plan?

It isn't a bloody mystery. And where did I ever say run from our tryline?

The problem with bok supporters with your point of view is anything that doesn't fit in a little playbook is ludicrous.

Hell, all I criticised was the errors, Meyer with his oh so finely tuned gameplan has repeated a million times execution execution.

I suppose tonight he will forgive them all the errors gecause the scoreline looks great, eh?

Oh come on , people are complaining that the Boks arent playing this razzle dazzle 25 man rugby.

No I am just sick and tired of all these so called "supporters" who run down their team every chance they get. Have some ridiculous bar that can never be met.

I am willing to bet that you would probably want a player dropped from the Proteas side if he doesnt score a hundred every game or a bowler doesnt take a fiver every innings.

I am wasting my time here.

I rest my case

Bryan Habana equalled the legendary Jonah Lomu’s record for the number of tries scored across World Cups when he crossed for a hat-trick that helped the Springboks ease to a one-sided 64-0 win over the USA at Olympic Park in London on Wednesday evening.

The wing, playing on the right this time to accommodate Lwazi Mvovo on the left, scored all three of his tries after halftime as the Boks took control following a sluggish opening 40 minutes that would not have sent any shivers of apprehension down the spines of future opponents.

However, by scoring 10 tries to nil en route to the first whitewash in this edition of the Rugby World Cup, the Boks were able to pick up the bonus-point win that made sure of their top place finish in Pool B.

By hitting the half century mark, they might also argue that they have built up some much needed collective and individual confidence before the start of the playoff phase. They did put it together impressively after the break.

They now wait four days until Australia and Wales face up to each other at Twickenham to determine the winner of Pool A before they know who their opponents will be in their quarterfinal in London on Saturday, 17 October – 10 days from now.

But their second-half dominance should have been anticipated because of the first phase and physical ascendancy they enjoyed in the opening 40 minutes.

The recent defeat to Japan should not change the fact that no Springbok team should ever consider a loss to the USA as a possibility.

The reality was that they had their first choice team on the field but for a long time they played like a midweek combination.

They led 14-0 at halftime after an opening 40 minutes where they showed plenty of evidence of the physicality and sheer physical strength that got them past Samoa and Scotland in the past two weeks.

Yet those who had read the comments of former All Black World Cup-winning coach Graham Henry would have been nodding their heads in agreement as time and again the Boks built up what should have been try scoring opportunities but they were thrown away by poor passing and a general lack of cohesion.

Henry said that the Boks have shown little other than brawn at this World Cup, and he reckons they may be in trouble when they come up against top teams who can match their physicality and prevent them from getting both the set phase dominance and the ascendancy in the collisions that the Boks have enjoyed over the past fortnight.

They did go about trying to rectify that in the second half, with some good little switches and interplays contributing to the landslide after halftime.

Damian de Allende was a deserved man of the match. That though should not obscure the improvement that will be needed now that the sudden death phase has arrived.

There were mitigating circumstances for the Boks in that coach Heyneke Meyer had opted to play his full strength team in this game just a few days after a physical and brutal contest against Scotland.

SHODDY HANDLING

But that is hardly an excuse, and the Boks would have been excused their first-half mistakes were they fielding a midweek team.

They weren’t, so more should have been expected in that period against a USA team that was under-strength due to the decision to target their last Pool clash against Japan later in the week.

Fortunately though for the Boks, and this was the one big positive to emerge from the game, they did not experience any injuries to key players – though Meyer’s heart might have been in his mouth when Schalk Burger went down after trying to grab a misdirected long range pass from the back of a lineout.

The coach would have heaved a sigh of relief when after a minute or so lying prone on the grass, Burger got back to his feet.

Much of the first-half play was error-ridden and static, and the Boks will do well to remember that and work on it when they start preparing for the quarterfinal, which is likely to be against Wales.

They will have to be a lot sharper and a lot more incisive, as scoring opportunities are unlikely to be as plentiful at that level of the competition.

The Boks' first-half tries came courtesy of a De Allende break in the eighth minute and then a penalty try awarded after the Americans infringed for the umpteenth time as their scrum was being destroyed near the line.

They had other opportunities but wasted them through a combination of shoddy handling and bad decision making.

They began to find their range in the second half, and this is maybe where fielding the first string side in this match was helpful to Meyer, but the quality of the passing in the first half was woeful.

It’s not the first time that has been the case in recent weeks. Against the USA, and against Samoa and Scotland, they could get away with it. They might not be able to further into the competition.

If the Boks felt uncomfortable with their 14-point lead at halftime they quickly dispelled any thought that USA may push them when skipper Du Preez executed a perfect kick from the base of a loose scrum soon after halftime that Habana ran onto on the bounce to stretch the lead to 21 with Handre Pollard’s conversion.

Four minutes later a sustained build-up saw Bismarck du Plessis over in the left corner for the bonus point try, after which came the first of two driving maul tries dotted down by Francois Louw.

Habana scythed through the middle for his second try and went over in the right corner for his record equalling third.

It was not a perfect night at the office for the Boks, even if the scoreline might suggest otherwise, but then it did get better for them the longer the game progressed, and Meyer will be pleased about that.

The Boks are hitting the quarterfinal round with a lot more momentum than they had after their loss to Japan in Brighton just two and a half weeks ago.

Above from Supersport, I rest my case.

Above from Supersport, I rest my case.

Hmm,

Lots of errors in the first half, but in the second half we started to execute things a little better.

Rudy Paige played really well when he came on, but he did play behind a pack that dominated. So difficult to judge if he will cope vs the stronger teams. I was also impressed with Steyn when he came on, although his kicking boot was a bit off.

Kriel and De Allende is the strongest centre pairing that we have and we could see it again. They pass it wide and just don't die with the ball like JdV does mostly. I think it worked out for the best, but I do feel for JdV.

Biting allegations against Malherbe

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/WorldCup/British-tabloid-accuses-Bok-prop-of-biting-20151008

Can anyone stop the boks?!

rodders wrote:Can anyone stop the boks?!

A bite out of a gone off cheese burger

The score flattered us, we didn't do that well in the first half.  The last 30 minutes went really bad for the USA.
I don't think we will fare so well against the bigger nations.

FerN wrote:

rodders wrote:Can anyone stop the boks?!

A bite out of a gone off cheese burger

The score flattered us, we didn't do that well in the first half.  The last 30 minutes went really bad for the USA.
I don't think we will fare so well against the bigger nations.

Took a big bite out of the Scots and Samoans too! Looks like Japan didn't do the rest of us any favors!

The backs have a lot more cutting edge and physicality minus De Villiers - ditto De Jagger for Matfield -then there is Du Preez, Vermulan and Alberts back.

You are looking rather menacing to me, and when the weather cr*ps out in the next few weeks, on queue, the big packs will come more and more to the fore.

De Jager looks immense in the midfield at the moment both in attack and defence. Anyone thinking of playing direct rugby (take not Jamie Roberts) into the midfield will be met with Burger, Bissie, Vermeulen & De Jager. Scotland paid the price for that call, future opposition needs to work around this.

All of a sudden the boks have a spring in their step. A tune up game to raise confidence, a 9 day rest before the match, no travel required in this time.

If Wales do the unthinkable then I think it will be the match of the tournament but can't see Wales winning this one if they lose to AUS.

Nice to see the Boks back near their best - The 3 SH teams and France in the semis would be mouth watering and brutal. Exciting times ahead here.

I have a funny feeling Argentina may spoil the party. They're looking good as ever.

fa0019 wrote:I have a funny feeling Argentina may spoil the party. They're looking good as ever.

I agree - they have got organisation and structure to go with their power and for me the best all round game for rugby quality has been NZ v Arg - Best Test match so far for me.

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

I am not really sure what that has to do with anything. Lot's of players do.  I am sure there are many who didn't think this was a problem when Dan Biggar led with his knee when he jumped into Finn Russell.

I'm not sure either as it happens.

I thought the decision on the Habana/US full back aerial collision was ok, but it just goes to show the lack of uniformity among refs. This collision was remarkably similar to the one between Jared Payne and Alex Goode in the Ulster-Saracens HC game a couple of seasons, back then both players only had eyes for the ball, but the result was a bad collision where Goode came off worst. End result was a red card for Payne from Garces in the 3rd minute and Saracens won......just, after a fine 14-man display from Ulster. Was an awful decision from Garces, last night Gauzere got it mostly right but I would probably given a peno against Habana and left it at that.

I think the decision was 100% correct. Neither deserved penalties. I've seen similar situations before where one of the players gets sent off, and I think it just turns out to be a lottery as to whether you're the one penalised or not. So, in my opinion, if there's not mal-intent - give no penalty.

Hasn't the law changed a little around that area now. Meaning, the Payne/Goode incident reflected the laws then, and the one last night reflects the laws now? I thought I heard the two commentators mumbling something about that as they went. But being as it was mumbles, I didn't hear sufficiently well.

SecretFly wrote:Hasn't the law changed a little around that area now.  Meaning, the Payne/Goode incident reflected the laws then, and the one last night reflects the laws now?  I thought I heard the two commentators mumbling something about that as they went.  But being as it was mumbles, I didn't hear sufficiently well.

Yes you are right the IRB have clarified this rule and as a result Ulster have retrospectively been awarded the 2012/2013 Heineken cup.

What a chancer. You have the Blatter gene, rodders

Biting allegations has been dismissed. USA pro-actively denying it.

brennomac wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

cakeordeath wrote:Just to go against the flow. I think Habana should be citied for collision. Just because you hold you hands in the air and look at the ball doesn't mean you are competing for it.

Blaine Scully (USA) led with his knee raised though.

I am not really sure what that has to do with anything. Lot's of players do.  I am sure there are many who didn't think this was a problem when Dan Biggar led with his knee when he jumped into Finn Russell.

I'm not sure either as it happens.

I thought the decision on the Habana/US full back aerial collision was ok, but it just goes to show the lack of uniformity among refs. This collision was remarkably similar to the one between Jared Payne and Alex Goode in the Ulster-Saracens HC game a couple of seasons, back then both players only had eyes for the ball, but the result was a bad collision where Goode came off worst. End result was a red card for Payne from Garces in the 3rd minute and Saracens won......just, after a fine 14-man display from Ulster.   Was an awful decision from Garces, last night Gauzere got it mostly right but I would probably given a peno against Habana and left it at that.

I think the problem is how do you decide a player is genuinely competing for the ball. For me Habana wasn't, he just put his arms above his head and ran in the US player (albeit he had his eyes on the ball) I don't think you could have slipped a bit of paper under him as he "jumped"

Do you have to jump? I didn't think so. The American player did a lot of his own work when he chose to jump. Players have to realise that it is a danger zone and they have to drill themselves in evasive action manoeuvres if finding themselves in the air and their feet not in the proper places. There are ways of helping yourself land safer. The concern is that so many players choose no to and keep running and jumping point blank into 'hope for the best'.

SecretFly wrote:Do you have to jump?  I didn't think so.  The American player did a lot of his own work when he chose to jump.  Players have to realise that it is a danger zone and they have to drill themselves in evasive action manoeuvres if finding themselves in the air and their feet not in the proper places.  There are ways of helping yourself land safer.  The concern is that so many players choose no to and keep running and jumping point blank into 'hope for the best'.

I agree fly, Habana stopped, the jumper jumped into him, both go for the ball.

protea438 wrote:

Biltong wrote:Very sloppy and error ridden by the aboks.


Some good passages of play with deft passing but still not fluent.

Oh come on biltong dont be a cliched South African, have you ever said anything positive about a South African team yet.

Biltong is the South African version of an Ireland supporter. Will always find fault in any game