Scarlets v Munster 23rd October 2015 19:05 Parc y Scarlets

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Each side has begun their 2015/16 Guinness PRO12 campaign with perfect 100% winning records - the best start Scarlets have made to any season in the tournament, whilst Munster also began with four wins in both 2010/11 and 2011/12.

Scarlets have not been defeated since Edinburgh visited Parc y Scarlets in March, with their eight successive victories to date continuing their best ever winning run in the competition.

Munster's solitary defeat in their last eleven Guinness PRO12 matches came in last season's final to Glasgow Warriors, whilst their only loss in their last ten fixtures against Welsh regions came on a trip to Ospreys last March.

Scarlets have won just one of their last four clashes with Munster: 18-13 in March 2014. Munster have not been victorious at Parc y Scarlets since a 17-14 win in the European Cup in December 2011.

At Parc y Scarlets, 7.05pm. Live on BBC Wales/TG4
Referee: Gary Conway (IRFU, 16th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Simon Rees, Martyn Lewis (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Gwyn Bowden (WRU)
TMO: Jon Mason (WRU)
Read more at http://www.pro12rugby.com/matchcentre/18125.php#kMHvgBUrtw5vlGii.99

Previous Meetings

Date Home Score Away Att
21/02/15 Scarlets 25 - 25 Munster Rugby 6,059
10/10/14 Munster Rugby 17 - 6 Scarlets 13,851
01/03/14 Scarlets 18 - 13 Munster Rugby 6,487

How munster are at the top end of the league at the moment mystifies me. They offer absolutely nothing in attack. It's pretty symptomatic to me of why we see the sh sides at the end of world cups when we have all since packed our bags.Things won't change overnight but looking at munster last night made me appreciate how far we've got to go.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Sin é wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:One thing surprises me is the complete silence on this thread from Irish posters that usually defend the ref and make out its all due to whingeing Welsh fans, does that mean even they don't think Conway's performance was defendable?

He was very bad for both teams. No bias involved whatsoever which is the usual claim from Welsh fans.

We were talking about this after the game.

The general opinion was Welsh ref/linesmen tend to give the 50-50 to the non-Welsh sides (almost from fear of accusations of cheating), and the Irish refs/linesmen tend to favour the perceived better side (generally the Irish, as they are the 'better' team).

Also we were saying, seeing as most televised games are regional home games, and most games attended by Welsh fans are home games, and 90% of the time it's Irish refs for these games, we see more Irish refs, so it is them we get most critical about for that reason.

As a side note, our announcer did tannoy 'please respect both kickers' (when the fans are booing the decision to award the try, not the kick attempt as such).  And also after the yellow he tannoyed 'please do not boo', which was met with a tongue in cheek panto boo from the crowd, and a fair bit of laughter.  This didn't come across too well on the tv mind.

Well, that opinion doesn't surprise me. It's wrong, but it doesn't surprise me. It can also be interpreted as 'Irish refs cheat'.

Not saying that is what your implying though.

stevetynant wrote:How munster are at the top end of the league at the moment mystifies me. They offer absolutely nothing in attack. It's pretty symptomatic to me of why we see the sh sides at the end of world cups when we have all since packed our bags.Things won't change overnight but looking at munster last night made me appreciate how far we've got to go.

What do you think of Scarlets attack, bearing in mind that they are at the top of the table with 20pts having scored 9 tries, 3 less than Munster who have scored 12.

Connacht are 2nd now, having scored 19 tries.

Sin é wrote:

stevetynant wrote:How munster are at the top end of the league at the moment mystifies me. They offer absolutely nothing in attack. It's pretty symptomatic to me of why we see the sh sides at the end of world cups when we have all since packed our bags.Things won't change overnight but looking at munster last night made me appreciate how far we've got to go.

What do you think of Scarlets attack, bearing in mind that they are at the top of the table with 20pts having scored 9 tries, 3 less than Munster who have scored 12.

Connacht are 2nd now, having scored 19 tries.

To be fair to the Scarlets they have played and beaten the three top Irish provinces at home and Glasgow away, I am sure they would be happy with just the win in those games. The other game was Zebre away and as the only other previously side Edinburgh found out today, they are no push over.

Without the two Williams boys, keeping up their winning run will be a real challenge. Some talk of JD2 leaving Clermont early, if he does, he will be really useful as a game breaker.

Connacht I think are a real success story in Ireland and the league in general so good for them. The early days of the season sides always look rusty but munster just never look like an attacking side. The scarlets on their day are the best attacking side in the league imo just really disappointed with the irish sides attacking intent at the moment. Not that I'm saying the Welsh are any better as they patently aren't.

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Sin é wrote:

2ndtimeround wrote:One thing surprises me is the complete silence on this thread from Irish posters that usually defend the ref and make out its all due to whingeing Welsh fans, does that mean even they don't think Conway's performance was defendable?

He was very bad for both teams. No bias involved whatsoever which is the usual claim from Welsh fans.

We were talking about this after the game.

The general opinion was Welsh ref/linesmen tend to give the 50-50 to the non-Welsh sides (almost from fear of accusations of cheating), and the Irish refs/linesmen tend to favour the perceived better side (generally the Irish, as they are the 'better' team).

Also we were saying, seeing as most televised games are regional home games, and most games attended by Welsh fans are home games, and 90% of the time it's Irish refs for these games, we see more Irish refs, so it is them we get most critical about for that reason.

As a side note, our announcer did tannoy 'please respect both kickers' (when the fans are booing the decision to award the try, not the kick attempt as such).  And also after the yellow he tannoyed 'please do not boo', which was met with a tongue in cheek panto boo from the crowd, and a fair bit of laughter.  This didn't come across too well on the tv mind.

Well, that opinion doesn't surprise me. It's wrong, but it doesn't surprise me. It can also be interpreted as 'Irish refs cheat'.

Not saying that is what your implying though.

More like they don't. More like 50-50 calls will always be viewed as someone getting shafted/gifted. Sometimes the benefit of doubt is given on to the side that are expected to be better.

stevetynant wrote:Connacht I think are a real  success story in Ireland and the league in general so good for them. The early days of the season sides always look rusty but munster just never look like an attacking side. The scarlets on their day are the best attacking side in the league imo just really disappointed with the irish sides attacking intent at the moment. Not that I'm saying the Welsh are any better as they patently aren't.

Münster last season were the top try scorers with 68 (with 8 try bonus wins).

As I said, it's open to interpretation.

Welsh refs: 50/50 calls favour Welsh opposition.

Irish refs : Favouring the better side, who you say the Irish are generally the better side.

So Irish refs, according to your opinion, ref in a way which favours the Irish, generally.

The Welsh refs, according to your opinion, shaft the Welsh.

So the Welsh are shafted by both Welsh and Irish refs.

I don't agree that it's right to make those sort of generalisations though, and I don't agree with the opinion. But that's just my opinion

Actually, the interesting bit is the ref's full time job is the IRFU's Refereeing video analyst. He also referees Leinster's live training sessions !

I seriously doubt that a Leinster referee would give Munster the time of day bearing in mind the rivalry between the two Provinces.

Sin é wrote:Actually, the interesting bit is the ref's full time job is the IRFU's Refereeing video analyst. He also referees Leinster's live training sessions !

I seriously doubt that a Leinster referee would give Munster the time of day bearing in mind the rivalry between the two Provinces.

I don't know, reading in the IRFU put extra cash in thread, the aim is four provinces in top flight euro comp, so possibly it would not be so far fetched. I am no saying that this is the case mind.

Munchkin, sod ya. I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it That's it, I change my mind. They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Munchkin, sod ya.  I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it   That's it, I change my mind.  They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

Sure, olive branches are fine, but it's more fun arguing

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Munchkin, sod ya.  I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it   That's it, I change my mind.  They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

No brown envelopes for us,we wrap the bung up in a €50 note.

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Munchkin, sod ya.  I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it   That's it, I change my mind.  They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

Sure, olive branches are fine, but it's more fun arguing

No it isn't. How dare you say such a thing?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Munchkin, sod ya.  I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it   That's it, I change my mind.  They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

Sure, olive branches are fine, but it's more fun arguing

No it isn't.  How dare you say such a thing?

Say what I like

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Munchkin wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Munchkin, sod ya.  I tried to offer an olive branch, and got spanked with it   That's it, I change my mind.  They all cheat for the Irish because they pay them in brown envelopes

Sure, olive branches are fine, but it's more fun arguing

No it isn't.  How dare you say such a thing?

It's ok though. Free reign for the Irish #justiceforchunky

This was the worst refereeing performance I have seen at professional level for 5 years. And one of the worst ever.

It was bordering on scandalous. The 2 sides were simply not refereed in the same manner. I would expect the referee to have a long rest from refereeing if the league wanted to retain it's credibility.

bordering on 'scandalous'.  

Oh yes.  It always is.  Such a lovely word.  The more one repeats it the lovelier it sounds.
But here's a few more words you could slot in from time to time just to add variety:

atrocious,
shameful
disgraceful,  
outrageous,
deplorable,
reprehensible,
appalling,
criminal,  
unforgivable.

..dastardly
..despicable

.. shocker

Don't forget 'dastardly'!

And 'despicable'!

The regions must be playing some amazing rugby if they are winning with all theses "biased refs". We should surely be expecting some welsh teams in the knockout rounds in Europe?

LeinsterFan4life wrote:The regions must be playing some amazing rugby if they are winning with all theses "biased refs".  We should surely be expecting some welsh teams in the knockout rounds in Europe?

Hold your horses. Only Scarlets have won a single game with a biased ref. Given all of Ireland's Heineken cup wins I expected Ireland to be in the World Cup final...

Anybody who thinks the refs performance in this game last Friday was acceptable seriuosly needs to question themselves.

But this is what we have come to expect from certain factions on this forum.

The ref had a shocker.

Sorry to have lost you so much money, mikey You should have used caution before expectation.

"Shocker"????


Yeah...I'll add that to the list, Lord. And thanks. Chunky will be delighted at all the new words he now has.

LordDowlais wrote:Anybody who thinks the refs performance in this game last Friday was acceptable seriuosly needs to question themselves.

But this is what we have come to expect from certain factions on this forum.

The ref had a shocker.

What I've come to expect from this forum is constant whinges about the ref. Every single goddam time. Without fail. It is THE worst thing about this forum, without a doubt. Lose a game, whinge about the ref. Win a game, whinge about the ref. Scrum is rubbish, whinge about the ref. Defence leaky like a sieve, whinge about the ref. Low crowds, whinge about the ref (standards).

Whinging about the ref doesnt help the team improve. Attribution - a really basic element of coaching and sport psychology - attribute performance to things within your control. You can't control the ref, so focus on the controllables instead. Referees will always make mistakes - no matter the nationality, level of rugby, importance of the game, etc. There were some poor decisions in this game, just as there are in ALL games. But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game (not as clear cut at international level ). THAT is the 'shocking', 'pathetic', 'appalling' thing, not the refereeing.

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

mikey_dragon wrote:

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

It's just f*cking tiring now Mikey. Talk about rugby instead, not ref decisions which we have no real way of knowing why they were made in the first place. Therefore they're pointless crying about. I swear some posters just whinge about ref decisions as a way of demonstrating their vast and superior knowledge of rugby laws, when in reality they're not seeing this through the refs eyes so do not see the same thing. For example, posters who whinge and whine about forward passes they see on the TV, as if TV cameras are always dead straight and in line so as to give a perfect view of the straight line. "It looked forward on my TV therefore the ref is biased and has been bought by *insert name of union here*". Absolute bollix. Nothing worse than phoney armchair refs with the benefit of hindsight. Pathetic.

Watching from the Arms Park south terrace for years, couldn't tell whether the ref was good or bad, so never really moaned about the officiating.

Griff wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

It's just f*cking tiring now Mikey. Talk about rugby instead, not ref decisions which we have no real way of knowing why they were made in the first place. Therefore they're pointless crying about. I swear some posters just whinge about ref decisions as a way of demonstrating their vast and superior knowledge of rugby laws, when in reality they're not seeing this through the refs eyes so do not see the same thing. For example, posters who whinge and whine about forward passes they see on the TV, as if TV cameras are always dead straight and in line so as to give a perfect view of the straight line. "It looked forward on my TV therefore the ref is biased and has been bought by *insert name of union here*". Absolute bollix. Nothing worse than phoney armchair refs with the benefit of hindsight. Pathetic.

It happens on all forums that I read. The ref is part of rugby. If you want to discuss rugby then naturally the officials will also be talked about - Nigel Owens even has a thread dedicated to him on this forum... So with that mind you might want to stay away.

Given technology, multiple angles and action replays then you actually get a better view watching it on the big screen. Thought that was pretty obvious myself. Some ref's are good, others are bad. In the pro12 they're bad for the most part - they have been for years.

I personally have never been at a game where a referee was booed off and the team has won before. That's what happened at the Scarlets v Munster game. That is how low the standard has sunk. I could list some more adjectives to describe his performance at this point but the previous comedy replies have already shattered my ribs.

Of course we can talk / complain about the man in the middle that is deciding the outcome of the game. Those that don't clearly don't care enough about their team.

You carry on whinging then lads. If it covers up your own team's inadequacies and makes you happy then good for you.

Chunky Norwich wrote:I personally have never been at a game where a referee was booed off and the team has won before. That's what happened at the Scarlets v Munster game. That is how low the standard has sunk. I could list some more adjectives to describe his performance at this point but the previous comedy replies have already shattered my ribs.

Of course we can talk / complain about the man in the middle that is deciding the outcome of the game. Those that don't clearly don't care enough about their team.

Well it might help if you didn't boo every decision irrespective of whether it is right or wrong. Refs just get immune to it.

Chunky Norwich wrote:I personally have never been at a game where a referee was booed off and the team has won before. That's what happened at the Scarlets v Munster game. That is how low the standard has sunk. I could list some more adjectives to describe his performance at this point but the previous comedy replies have already shattered my ribs.

Of course we can talk / complain about the man in the middle that is deciding the outcome of the game. Those that don't clearly don't care enough about their team.

It doesn't surprise me that the crowd at Parc y Scarlets would boo the referee off, regardless.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:I personally have never been at a game where a referee was booed off and the team has won before. That's what happened at the Scarlets v Munster game. That is how low the standard has sunk. I could list some more adjectives to describe his performance at this point but the previous comedy replies have already shattered my ribs.

Of course we can talk / complain about the man in the middle that is deciding the outcome of the game. Those that don't clearly don't care enough about their team.

It doesn't surprise me that the crowd at Parc y Scarlets would boo the referee off, regardless.

Why's that?

Griff wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

It's just f*cking tiring now Mikey. Talk about rugby instead, not ref decisions which we have no real way of knowing why they were made in the first place. Therefore they're pointless crying about. I swear some posters just whinge about ref decisions as a way of demonstrating their vast and superior knowledge of rugby laws, when in reality they're not seeing this through the refs eyes so do not see the same thing. For example, posters who whinge and whine about forward passes they see on the TV, as if TV cameras are always dead straight and in line so as to give a perfect view of the straight line. "It looked forward on my TV therefore the ref is biased and has been bought by *insert name of union here*". Absolute bollix. Nothing worse than phoney armchair refs with the benefit of hindsight. Pathetic.

Well said. The Scarlet's have a fantastic team and stadium and are also clearly a great club, when you see the likes of Barclay signing a new contract, DTH specifically asking to go to there and the great Regan King returning. These are top players wanting to play at the region despite the low crowds and problems with the regions...and all that Scarlet fans want to do is complain about the ref? I'm sorry but complaining about the ref (and calling him biased)when your team has WON is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a forum.

Talk about the great wins you just had over Leinster and Munster already this season, talk about the great brand of rugby your playing, talk about all the great young players that are coming true. That's what normal fans do!

Penalties conceded:

Scarlets 11
Munster 12

Doesn't look like the outrageous refereeing performance it's made out to be..

Did anyone really expect Shingler to kick the winning penalty from almost 50 mtrs?
I would suggest the Munster player that conceded it clearly didn't by the obvious way he lay offside right under Conways nose, or possibly he just thought they would get away with lying offside as they had previously.

Griff wrote:You carry on whinging then lads. If it covers up your own team's inadequacies and makes you happy then good for you.  

Well we shall see which team is inadequate on Friday I guess

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:I personally have never been at a game where a referee was booed off and the team has won before. That's what happened at the Scarlets v Munster game. That is how low the standard has sunk. I could list some more adjectives to describe his performance at this point but the previous comedy replies have already shattered my ribs.

Of course we can talk / complain about the man in the middle that is deciding the outcome of the game. Those that don't clearly don't care enough about their team.

It doesn't surprise me that the crowd at Parc y Scarlets would boo the referee off, regardless.

Right so let me get my head around this

The Scarlets have no atmosphere in their stadium, their fans just don't care. Moan moan, complain about the Scarlets and their fans for this. The Scarlets fans boo every ref, and are so noisy with it, it is just disgraceful. Moan moan, complain about the Scarlets and their fans for this.

Lets bury our heads in the sand and run the Scarlets down for having no fans and a poor attendance. Lets not mention that the game against Leinster (with the huge Irish travelling contingent, of about 50 max) was the best attended club/regional game in Britain and Ireland that weekend, with a higher attendance than any of the Jeff game. But lets turn a blind eye to that and get on with the abuse of the side (funny enough lead by the same Trolls as always).

When people go to Rodney Parade, they say how the place has a real atmosphere. A good feeling of we are hear to try and make the difference for our team. A real vibe of the sixteenth man. Yet when at PYS we get behind our side, and do the same, we are all animals.

But anyway if guess it is just jealousy from some Ulster based Trolls based on the fact that the PYS atmosphere is just too much for their star players to handle.

2ndtimeround wrote:Did anyone really expect Shingler to kick the winning penalty from almost 50 mtrs?
I would suggest the Munster player that conceded it clearly didn't by the obvious way he lay offside right under Conways nose, or possibly he just thought they would get away with lying offside as they had previously.

I liked the way, we still had the ball in our possession and were about 5 meters further to the Munster line when he blew up and took us back to the pen. At the time I though 'put it in a position that is unkickable, and make us run the extra 5m again'. So I was definitely shocked to see it go over.

But as I said (and many others have) Conway was just a pathetic full stop (as were both his assistance, and the TMO). The whole group of officials were totally off the mark both ways, and should be made to sit on the side lines for a bit while they brush up on their skills.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Griff wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

It's just f*cking tiring now Mikey. Talk about rugby instead, not ref decisions which we have no real way of knowing why they were made in the first place. Therefore they're pointless crying about. I swear some posters just whinge about ref decisions as a way of demonstrating their vast and superior knowledge of rugby laws, when in reality they're not seeing this through the refs eyes so do not see the same thing. For example, posters who whinge and whine about forward passes they see on the TV, as if TV cameras are always dead straight and in line so as to give a perfect view of the straight line. "It looked forward on my TV therefore the ref is biased and has been bought by *insert name of union here*". Absolute bollix. Nothing worse than phoney armchair refs with the benefit of hindsight. Pathetic.

Well said. The Scarlet's have a fantastic team and stadium and are also clearly a great club, when you see the likes of Barclay signing a new contract, DTH specifically asking to go to there and the great Regan King returning. These are top players wanting to play at the region despite the low crowds and problems with the regions...and all that Scarlet fans want to do is complain about the ref? I'm sorry but complaining about the ref (and calling him biased)when your team has WON is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a forum.

Talk about the great wins you just had over Leinster and Munster already this season, talk about the great brand of rugby your playing, talk about all the great young players that are coming true. That's what normal fans do!

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=504

Can we seriously now start looking at putting this myth to bed? Or are you going to be posting on the low attendances at Glasgow, Edinburgh, Connacht, Treviso and Zebre non-stop too?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Griff wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

Griff wrote:But it seems that that Welsh club rugby fans top the list for moaning after the game

No.

And if the officiating isn't at the required standard for elite level then people are going to mention it - they're within their rights to mention it as often as they see fit.

It's just f*cking tiring now Mikey. Talk about rugby instead, not ref decisions which we have no real way of knowing why they were made in the first place. Therefore they're pointless crying about. I swear some posters just whinge about ref decisions as a way of demonstrating their vast and superior knowledge of rugby laws, when in reality they're not seeing this through the refs eyes so do not see the same thing. For example, posters who whinge and whine about forward passes they see on the TV, as if TV cameras are always dead straight and in line so as to give a perfect view of the straight line. "It looked forward on my TV therefore the ref is biased and has been bought by *insert name of union here*". Absolute bollix. Nothing worse than phoney armchair refs with the benefit of hindsight. Pathetic.

Well said. The Scarlet's have a fantastic team and stadium and are also clearly a great club, when you see the likes of Barclay signing a new contract, DTH specifically asking to go to there and the great Regan King returning. These are top players wanting to play at the region despite the low crowds and problems with the regions...and all that Scarlet fans want to do is complain about the ref? I'm sorry but complaining about the ref (and calling him biased)when your team has WON is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on a forum.

Talk about the great wins you just had over Leinster and Munster already this season, talk about the great brand of rugby your playing, talk about all the great young players that are coming true. That's what normal fans do!

http://rugby.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=504

Can we seriously now start looking at putting this myth to bed?  Or are you going to be posting on the low attendances at Glasgow, Edinburgh, Connacht, Treviso and Zebre non-stop too?

Is this a thread about any of those teams?

marty2086 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:http://rugby.statbunker.com/competitions/HomeAttendance?comp_id=504

Can we seriously now start looking at putting this myth to bed?  Or are you going to be posting on the low attendances at Glasgow, Edinburgh, Connacht, Treviso and Zebre non-stop too?

Is this a thread about any of those teams?

No, but then again this isn't a thread about referees either, but still it seems to have been taken down that route.

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SecretFly wrote:...by?.................................

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You forgot the 'e' off the end if your trying to tell us your heading back under your bridge.

I can't get under that bridge....

Chunky, Lord, Phil and one or two others are having a meeting, plotting their progress so far and outlining their future campaigns into the season.

I asked to get in and they said the warm spot that looks vacant belongs to you.... as you're on duty until 1.00

SecretFly wrote:

I can't get under that bridge....

Chunky, Lord, Phil and one or two others are having a meeting, plotting their progress so far and outlining their future campaigns into the season.

I asked to get in and they said the warm spot that looks vacant belongs to you.... as you're on duty until 1.00

Don't you Irish have your own bridge? Unless you Marty and Munchkin have been using ours on the sly so far.

No, all our bridges were burned by the SAS Regional Commando squad last year when they thought they weren't going to need them no more.

Damn the English turncoats!!!!

In that case your screwed as there is no hope in hell we are sharing our bridges with you, we earned these bridges ourselves. And it is not fair that you think you can have an even share of them!

VinceWLB wrote:Penalties conceded:

Scarlets 11
Munster 12

Doesn't look like the outrageous refereeing performance it's made out to be..

Well that does seem to suggest he was poor for both teams. But there are other things we could take into account; like areas of the field each team committed the offence, yellow cards, etc.