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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Wed 21 Oct 2015, 10:08 am

This is still a tad out-of-date and is in the process of being updated.

This is a reference thread to pool a list of Scottish and Scots qualified players that play outside of Scotland. Only having 2 pro teams means there are surely a good few of them.

Why? Well, mainly as a reference and to discuss the talent that plays away from home and, if they are playing well, hype about them getting picked for Scotland, or getting signed by Edinburgh or Glasgow.  Laugh

I'll start off with the ones I know of, and I'll update the thread as we go.

Please let me know who I've missed, and of any transfers or retirements!

* = International Cap
^ = International A Team & Sevens caps

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Guinness Pro12 (Wales & Ireland):

Connacht
BR - Eoghan Masterson

Ospreys
BR - Sam Underhill

Scarlets
BR - John Barclay*


English Aviva Premiership:

Bath
N8 - David Denton*
BR - David Sisi (on load at London Irish)
FH - Adam Hastings

Bristol
PR - Kyle Traynor*
BR - Mitch Eadie
WG - George Watkins

Exeter Chiefs
PR - Moray Low*
LK - Ollie Atkins^
BR - Aaron Thomson
 
Gloucester
SH - Greig Laidlaw*, Ben Vellacott
CR - Matt Scott (12,13)*

Harlequins
FH - Ruaridh Jackson*
WG - Tim Visser*
WG - Robbie Nairn

Newcastle Falcons
PR - John Welsh*
PR - Mike Cusack*
HK - Scott Lawson*
LK - Scott MacLeod*, Glen Young, Andrew Davidson
BR - Ally Hogg*, Tyrone Holmes*

Northampton Saints
LK - Alan Gregory
FH - G.Haldane
FH - R.Hutchison

Sale Sharks
PR - Jamie Ross
BR - George Bordill
N8 - George Blackwell
FB - Byron McGuigan^

Saracens
LK - Jim Hamilton*
BR - Kelly Brown*
CR - Duncan Taylor*
WG - Sean Maitland*

Wasps
HK - Sam James
CR - Nick de Luca*

Worcester Warriors
N8 - Tom Dodd
FH - Tom Heathcote*
FB - Alex Nisbet


English Championship:


Doncaster Knights
PR - C.Phillips
PR - C.Quigley
WG - Andrew Bulumakau
WG - Dougie Flockhart

Ealing
HK - Alun Walker
WG - Chris Kinloch

Jersey
HK - Russell Anderson
BR - Tommy Spinks
LK - Nick Campbell
FB - Jack Cuthbert*

London Irish
BR - Blair Cowen*
SH - Scott Steele, Brendan McKibbin
CR - Johnny Williams

London Scottish   appletini Braveheart
PR - Dave Young^, Ben Prescott
HK - David Cherry, R.Doneghan
LK - Josh T Brown, Neale Patrick
BR - Lewis Calder
SH - Matt Heeks, Russell Weir, Jamie Stevenson
FH - Lee Miller
CR - Oli Grove, Craig Jackson, Alex Grove*, Patrick Kelly
WG - Alec Coombes

London Welsh
PR - Jack Gilding

Nottingham
SH - Murray McConnell

Rotherham Titans
PR - Robin Hislop

Yorkshire Carnegie
LK - Tom Ryder*
FH - Harry Leonard^
FB - Stevie McColl^


French Top 14:

Brive
BR - Kieran Murphy

Castres
LK - Ritchie Gray*
N8 - Johnnie Beattie*
WG - Max Evans*

Grenoble
LK - Aly Muldowney^

Pau
PR - Ewan Murrey* (Retired International)
BR - Sean Dougall

Toulon  Cool Bubbly
LK - Andrew Crammond


French Pro D2:

Albi
LK - A.Sinclair

Bordeaux
FH - Ben Chalmers

Le Parc
CR - Patrick Kelly

Perpignan
BR - Alasdair Strokosch* (Retired International)

Carcassonne
PR - Phil Cringle
BR - Scott Newlands^


Super 15 & Currie Cup, ITM Cup, NRC:

Australia
PR - Nick Fraser (North Harbour Rays)
BR - Murray Douglas (Melbourne Rising)

New Zealand
FH - Damien McKenzie (Chiefs/Waikato)
FH - Ihaia West (Blues/Hawke's Bay)
WG - Jonny McNicholl (Crusaders/Canterbury)
FB - Marty McKenzie (Crusaders/Southland)

South Africa
CR - Huw Jones (Stormers)


Japan & North America:

Japan
FB - Robbie Robinson (Toyota Verblitz)

Canada
Coming soon

USA
Coming soon


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Home Region Squads
Here are the current 2015/2016 squads for Edinburgh Rugby & Glasgow Warriors. This will always be up to date.
* = International Cap
^International A Team caps & Sevens
NSQ = Not Scottish Qualified
Current Edinburgh Squad:

Backs

Scrum Half
*Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
Nathan Fowles
^Sean Kennedy
Murdo McAndrew (EDP)

Fly Half
Phil Burleigh (NSQ - New Zealand)
Jade Te Rure
Blair Kinghorn
^Jason Tovey (NSQ - Wales - on loan from Dragons until season ends)

Centre (pos)
Michael Allen (13) (NSQ - Ireland)
Chris Dean (13)
Junior Rasolea (12,13)
Andries Strauss (12) (NSQ - South Africa)
James Johnstone (13,12) (Sevens)

Wing
*Tom Brown
*Dougie Fife
*Will Helu (NSQ - Tonga)
*Damien Hoyland

Fullback
*Greig Tonks (Transferred to London Irish mid-season)
Glenn Bryce
Nick McLennan

Forwards

Prop
*Alasdair Dickinson
*Willem P Nel
^John Andress (NSQ - Ireland)
^Grant Shiells
Rory Sutherland
^Allan Dell
Craig Bachurzewski
Simon Berghan
Jack Cosgrove (on load at London Scottish)

Hooker
*Ross Ford
Neil Cochrane
*Stuart McInally
George Turner

Lock
Anton Bresler (NSQ - South Africa)
*Grant Gilchrist
^Fraser McKenzie
Alex Toolis
*Ben Toolis

Backrow (pos)
Cornell Du Preez (6,8) (NSQ - South Africa)
*John Hardie (7)
Nasi Manu (8,6) (NSQ - New Zealand)
Mike Coman (6,8) (NSQ - New Zealand) (Captain)
*Hamish Watson (7)
Jamie Ritchie (6)
Magnus Bradbury (8,6)
^Roddy Grant (7,6,8) (Early Retirement)  Crying or Very sad

Current Glasgow Warriors Squad:

Backs

Scrum Half
*Henry Pyrgos
*Grayson Hart
*Mike Blair (Retired International)
Ali Price
George Horne (EDP) (on load at London Scottish)

Fly Half
*Finn Russell
*Duncan Weir
Gregor Hunter
Rory Clegg (NSQ)
^Scott Wight (Melrose - RWC Cover) 

Centre (pos)
*Mark Bennett (13)
*Alex Dunbar (12,13)
*Peter Horne (12,10)
Sam Johnson (13,12) (NSQ)
^Fraser Lyle (12,10,13)
*Richie Vernon (13,8,6,12)
^Robbie Fergusson (13,14,11) (EDP) (on load at London Scottish)
Nick Grigg (EDP - Ayr)

Wing
*Tommy Seymour
Leonardo Sarto
^Junior Bulumakau
*Rory Hughes
*Sean Lamont
*Lee Jones (Sevens)

Fullback
*Stuart Hogg
*Peter Murchie


Forwards

Prop
*Alex Allan
*Zander Fagerson
*Ryan Grant
*Sila Puafisi (NSQ - Tonga)
*Gordon Reid
D‘arcy Rae
Jarrod Firth (NSQ)
George Hunter (EDP)
*Djustice Sears-Duru (NSQ - Canada)

Hooker
*Fraser Brown
*Pat MacArthur
Corey Flynn
James Malcolm (EDP)

Lock
Scott Cummings
*Jonny Gray (Captain)
*Tjiuee Uanivi (NSQ - Namibia)
*Tim Swinson
*Greg Peterson (NSQ - USA)
Kiran McDonald (EDP)

Backrow (pos)
*Robert Harley (6,4)
*Hugh Blake (7)
*Josh Strauss (8,6)
*Simone Favaro (6,7) (NSQ - Italy)
*Chris Fusaro (7)
*Ryan Wilson (8,6,7)
*Adam Ashe (8,6)
Matt Smith (7) (EDP)
Lewis Wynne (8) (EDP)

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All known Scottish Pro Players sorted by position, by Majestic83:

Majestic83 wrote:Props 30
A Dickinson(Edinburgh), A Dell(Edinburgh), R Sutherland(Edinburgh), G Shiells(Edinburgh), J Cosgrove(Edinburgh) R Grant(Glasgow), G Reid(Glasgow), A Allan(Glasgow), G Strain(Glasgow) K Traynor(Bristol), R Hislop(Rotherham), C Fenton(Glasgow EDP), C Quigley(Doncaster Knights)
W P Nel(Edinburgh), S Berghan(Edinburgh), C Sheldon(Edinburgh), E Murray(Agen), J Welsh(Newcastle), M Cusack(Glasgow), Z Fargeson(Glasgow), D Rae(Glasgow), G Hunter(Glasgow), G Cross(London Irish), M Low(Exeter), D Young(London Scottish), B Prescott(London Scottish, P Cringle(Carcassone), J Gilding(L Welsh) N Fraser (North harbour Rays), J Sebastian(Glasgow)

Hookers 16
R Ford(Edinburgh), N Cochrane(Edinburgh), J hilterbrand(Edinburgh), S McInally(Edinburgh), G Turner(Edinburgh), P MacArthur(Glasgow), F Brown(Glasgow), K Bryce(Glasgow), F Scott(Glasgow), J Malcolm(Glasgow EDP), S Lawson(Newcastle), A Walker(Trailfinders), D Cherry( London Scottish),J Kerr(Edinburgh), S James(Scotland U20s/Bedford Blues), R Anderson(Jersey)

Locks 27
G Gilchrist(Edinburgh), F McKenzie(Edinburgh), B Toolis(Edinburgh), A Toolis(Edinburgh), J Gray(Glasgow), T Swinson(Glasgow), K Low(Glasgow), A Davidson(Glasgow EDP), S Cummings(Glasgow EDP), A Redmayne(Glasgow EDP), J Hamilton(Saracens), S MacLeod(Newcastle), S Tomes(Newcastle), A Crammond(Toulon), A Sinclair(Albi), R Gray(Castres), G Young(Newcastle) N Patrick (London Scottish)) N Campbell (Jersey), Josh T Brown(London Scottish), A Muldowney(Connacht), C Hunter-Hill(Glasgow EDP), M Douglas(Melbourne Rising) A Craig(Gloucester)(also B/R), T Ryder(Yorkshire carnegie), O Atkins(Exeter), K McDonald(Glasgow EDP)

Backrow 39
J Hardie(Edinburgh), R Grant(Edinburgh), H Watson(Edinburgh), D Denton(Edinburgh), J Ritchie(Edinburgh), M Bradbury(Edinburgh), A Miller (Edinburgh) H Blake(Glasgow), J Strauss(Glasgow), C Fusaro(Glasgow), T Holmes(Glasgow), W Bordill(Glasgow), T Spinks(Jersey), R Harley(Glasgow), J Eddie(Glasgow), R Wilson(Glasgow), A Ashe(Glasgow),J Hill(Glasgow) A Hogg(Newcastle), K Brown(Saracens), B Cowan(London Irish), J Barclay(Scarlets), M Eadie(Bristol), J Beattie(Castres), A Strokosh(Perpignan), D Sisi(Bath/London Irish), E Masterson( Connacht), K Murphy( London Welsh), M Smith(Glasgow EDP), S Dewar(Scotland 7s), M Fedo(Scotland 7s), S Riddell(Scotland 7s), G Graham(Jersey), S Newlands(Carcassone), Iain Grieve(Ealing Trailfinders), J Tyas(Chinnor), Z Mercer(Bath), S Dougall(Pau), M Dewar(Glasgow EDP), L Wynne(Glasgow EDP), B Flockhart(Glasgow EDP)

Scrum Half 20
S Hidalgo-Clyne(Edinburgh), S Kennedy(Edinburgh), M McAndrew(Edinburgh) N Fowles(Edinburgh) H Fraser(Edinburgh EDP),A Glashan(Edinburgh), G Hart(Glasgow), H Pyrgos(Glasgow),A Price(Glasgow), M McConnel(Nottingham), C Cusiter(Sale), G Laidlaw(Gloucester), M Blair(Glasgow), S Steele(London Irish), J Stevenson(Wasps) B McKibbin(London Irish) , M Heeks(London Scottish), B Vellacott(Gloucester/Scotland U20), R Weir(London Scottish), J Turner(Western Force), G Horne(Glasgow EDP)

Stand Off 17
G Tonks(Edinburgh), B Kinghorn(Edinburgh), J Te Rure(Edinburgh),T Heathcote(Worcester), F Russel(Glasgow), D Weir(Glasgow), G Hunter(Glasgow), R Jackson(Wasps), L Millar(London Scottish), B Chalmers(Bordeaux), H Leonard(Yorkshire Carnegie) R Hutchison(Northampton) A Hastings(Bath)
D McKenzie (Chiefs) G Lowe(Glasgow EDP/Scotland 7s), S Wight(Scotland 7s), , G Haldane(Northampton Saints)

Wings 22
D Fyfe(Edinburgh),T Brown(Edinburgh) , D Hoyland(Edinburgh), B Robbins(Edinburgh EDP/Scotland U20s), J Farndale(Edinburgh), S Maitland(London Irish), T Seymour(Glasgow), S Lamont(Glasgow), L Jones(Glasgow), R Hughes(Glasgow), J Bulumakau(Glasgow Warriors), T Visser(Harlequins), G Watkins(Bristol) J McNicholl(Crusaders) M Russell(Warrington RL), J McManus(Newcastle knights RL) R Nairn(harlequins), A Coombes(London Scottish/Scotland U20), J Fleming(Scotland 7s), M Robertson (Glasgow/Scotland 7s), C Kinloch(Ealing Trailfinders), A Bulumakau(Doncaster Knights), D Flockhart(Doncaster Knights), 

Centres 21
M Scott(Edinburgh), C Auld(Edinburgh)?, C Dean(Edinburgh),J Johnstone(Edinburgh/Scotland 7s) A Dunbar(Glasgow), P Horne(Glasgow), M Bennett(Glasgow), R Vernon(Glasgow), F Lyle (Glasgow),R Fergusson(Glasgow EDP),J Steele(Glasgow EDP) , N Grigg(Glasgow EDP), D Taylor(Saracens), M Doneghan(London Scottish), A Grove(Worcester), N De Luca(Biarittz), O Grove(London Scottish) H Jones(Stormers & Western Province), K Linnett(North Queensland Cowboys RL/ Scotland RL) J Wardle (Huddersfield Giants RL/Scotland RL), P Kelly(le Parc/Scotland U20s), N Godsmark(Glasgow/Scotland 7s), N Herron(Glasgow EDP/Scotland 7s), C Jackson(London Scottish)

Full Backs 13
J Cuthbert(Edinburgh), N McLennan(Edinburgh), S Hogg(Glasgow), P Murchie(Glasgow), G Bryce(Glasgow), S MacColl(Gloucester), B McGuigan(Exeter), A Tait(Newcastle),) R Robinson(Toyota Verblitz) B Ransom(Saracens) L Coote(North Queensland Cowboys RL/Scotland RL) K Locke(Salford Reds RL) R Howarth (Edinburgh EDP/Scotland U20s)


(ping-pong and lawn bowls pros coming soon)
Rugby League - Players to Watch:

Bradford Bulls
Oscar Thomas (21, Half-back/Fly-Half)

Doncaster
David Scott (22, Wing)

Hull
Adam Walker (24, Prop)

London Broncos
Ben Hellewell (23, Centre/Fullback)
Alex Walker (20, Fullback)

Salford
Liam Hood (23, Hooker/Scrum-Half)

Warrington
Matty Russell (?,?)



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Re: Scottish Player List (playing outside of Scotland) & transfers

Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:38 am

Ok - this is probably the most impressive thing I've ever seen.....to quote Mrs fES.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:53 am

Phil godman has retired, I thought.

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Post by MacKnocked-on on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 10:54 am

Impressive list, couple of additions and a transfer; Neale Patrick is now at London Scottish and you could include Junior's brother Andrew Bulumakau at Doncaster and even Kevin Sinfield retired from league and now at Yorkshire Carnegie.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:07 am

Phil Godman is now Sporting Head at a Boarding School in Dundee.

Sean Tomes is no longer with us.

We don't have many at the moment...but I can see that increasing. We were always strongest when we had our share of the border lads!

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Post by demosthenes on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:11 am

GeordieFalcon wrote: Sean Tomes is no longer with us.

You mean he is no longer playing for you?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 11:44 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Phil Godman is now Sporting Head at a Boarding School in Dundee.

Sean Tomes is no longer with us.

We don't have many at the moment...but I can see that increasing. We were always strongest when we had our share of the border lads!

Don't think the High School of Dundee is a boarding school.

Godman was a skillful player - hopefully he's able to translate those skills into school rugby and inspire one or two of the next generation.

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 5:06 pm

Cheers lads! Updates incoming!

Removed P.Godman and S.Tomes (did he kick the bucket or what? Where did he move to?).
Moved N.Patrick to L.Scottish
Added A.Bulumakau to Doncaster.

Regarding Kevin Sinfield - he's an ageing (35) League player who's finishing his career in Union. And does anyone know what position he plays (in union)? On the YC website it says back-row/half-back. Might as well have said "on the pitch" Rolling Eyes TBH, I think I'll leave him out.
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Post by madmaccas on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 6:05 pm

Jamie Stevenson is now at Coventry Wasps.

Robbie Robinson is playing for Toyota Verblitz in Japan.

This is full list of SQ London Scots:

David Cherry
Oli Grove
Matt Heeks
Lee Millar
Ben Prescott
Josh Thomas Brown
Neale Patrick
Russell Weir
David Young
Craig Jackson

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Post by madmaccas on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 6:25 pm

Some others (mostly Academy/young Squad players)

Ben Vellacott is at Gloucester
Glen Young is at Newcastle
Sam James is at Coventry Wasps

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 6:35 pm

Updates applied. I've added those that weren't already listed.

Thanks madmaccas! Very helpful.  kiss
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Post by MacKnocked-on on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 7:28 pm

A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:Cheers lads! Updates incoming!

Removed P.Godman and S.Tomes (did he kick the bucket or what? Where did he move to?).
Moved N.Patrick to L.Scottish
Added A.Bulumakau to Doncaster.

Regarding Kevin Sinfield - he's an ageing (35) League player who's finishing his career in Union. And does anyone know what position he plays (in union)? On the YC website it says back-row/half-back. Might as well have said "on the pitch" Rolling Eyes TBH, I think I'll leave him out.


I wasn't suggesting that he's an option for Cotter to consider, most of the list aren't going to concern the Scottish selectors probably in any case.

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 8:16 pm

MacKnocked-on wrote:
A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:Cheers lads! Updates incoming!

Removed P.Godman and S.Tomes (did he kick the bucket or what? Where did he move to?).
Moved N.Patrick to L.Scottish
Added A.Bulumakau to Doncaster.

Regarding Kevin Sinfield - he's an ageing (35) League player who's finishing his career in Union. And does anyone know what position he plays (in union)? On the YC website it says back-row/half-back. Might as well have said "on the pitch" Rolling Eyes TBH, I think I'll leave him out.

I wasn't suggesting that he's an option for Cotter to consider, most of the list aren't going to concern the Scottish selectors probably in any case.

This is a list for reference sake. I wasn't suggesting that you were suggesting anything regarding selection. I was simply implying Sinfield isn't worth listing as he is an unknown quantity in union and is on a player/coach role at YC. I suppose you could argue that other older players aren't worth listing too - McKibbon, Robinson, Prescott etc - but they were listed as SQ, and playing regularly, so I put them up.


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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 8:42 pm

Sorry yes...I didn't mean Sean Tomes had died...I meant he was no longer playing for the falcons.

ANd as for the High School in Dundee...I don't know what it is. I just know he has taken up a sporting positon at a school in Dundee....

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Post by clivemcl on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:15 pm

Sean Dougal is eligible  for Scotland? Never new it!

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Post by Prothero on Thu 22 Oct 2015, 9:41 pm

See Du Preez would be Scottish eligible in time for the autumn internationals next year if he hangs about? Not that im a fan of that but it is the world we live in.

Im actually wondering who the next "Scot's Born" Back-row to be capped will be? Ashe and Harley seem like they will be squeezed out the Squad for the next few years barring injuries? Im not counting Watson excellent as he is, as he followed the Exile pathway.

Hoping Coman, Berghan and Dell leave this year, cant help feel they are bit of dead wood holding back Bradbury and Ritchie in Coman's case, and Berghan and Dell have been there for ages without making any impression.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 7:49 am

Maj created a very comprehensive list here:

http://www.606v2.com/t57127-scottish-professional-players

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Re: Scottish Player List (playing outside of Scotland) & transfers

Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 8:02 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Maj created a very comprehensive list here:

http://www.606v2.com/t57127-scottish-professional-players

You. Are. Kidding. Me.

I didn't see that. Can we merge them?

Maj? You there? What do you say?


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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 8:04 am

Laugh

Yours looks fancier though...! Hug

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 8:09 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Laugh

Yours looks fancier though...! Hug

OK  Cheers RDW

Well, mine is sorted by team, and Maj has done his by position. So it's not too bad.
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Post by Captain_Sensible on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 9:26 am

Excellent effort, Mesmeric. I take it you got really, really bored at work one afternoon? Smile

What this collation shows is that, despite a big improvement in recent years, our player depth is still very poor. As has been said somewhat obliquely above, the number of players in that list who are genuine considerations for Test selection is pretty small.

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 9:42 am

Captain_Sensible wrote:Excellent effort, Mesmeric. I take it you got really, really bored at work one afternoon? Smile

What this collation shows is that, despite a big improvement in recent years, our player depth is still very poor. As has been said somewhat obliquely above, the number of players in that list who are genuine considerations for Test selection is pretty small.

Cheers, I'll currently unwell, so waaay too much time on my hands, although can't go far from the bed.  Sad

It's rugby and grand strategy PC games until I'm on my feet - which is hopefully Monday because work won't do itself. raspberry
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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 9:48 am

And yes, even though we had a very competitive world cup selection, it's still fairly bare-bones behind the scenes.

However, with the 3 from 4 rugby academies open now, we should start to see more youngsters coming through.

Time for that billionaire to come along and fund the Caledonia and Border Reivers pro team resurrection! And save Scottish rugby from mediocrity! Whistle
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Post by alive555 on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 10:46 am

A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:And yes, even though we had a very competitive world cup selection, it's still fairly bare-bones behind the scenes.

However, with the 3 from 4 rugby academies open now, we should start to see more youngsters coming through.

Time for that billionaire to come along and fund the Caledonia and Border Reivers pro team resurrection! And save Scottish rugby from mediocrity! Whistle

JK Rowling could do that with pocket change .
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Post by madmaccas on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 10:47 am

A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:
MacKnocked-on wrote:
A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:Cheers lads! Updates incoming!

Removed P.Godman and S.Tomes (did he kick the bucket or what? Where did he move to?).
Moved N.Patrick to L.Scottish
Added A.Bulumakau to Doncaster.

Regarding Kevin Sinfield - he's an ageing (35) League player who's finishing his career in Union. And does anyone know what position he plays (in union)? On the YC website it says back-row/half-back. Might as well have said "on the pitch" Rolling Eyes TBH, I think I'll leave him out.

I wasn't suggesting that he's an option for Cotter to consider, most of the list aren't going to concern the Scottish selectors probably in any case.

This is a list for reference sake. I wasn't suggesting that you were suggesting anything regarding selection. I was simply implying Sinfield isn't worth listing as he is an unknown quantity in union and is on a player/coach role at YC. I suppose you could argue that other older players aren't worth listing too - McKibbon, Robinson, Prescott etc - but they were listed as SQ, and playing regularly, so I put them up.

Robinson's only 26! Hardie's 27 and has only just come over. I don't think anyone would say he's too old.

RR was crocked for a bit, but if he can get back to form he'd be just the kind of back Edinburgh need (seeing as they barely have any so that they can host every backrow forward in Scotland).

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Post by IanBru on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 10:53 am

alive555 wrote:
A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:And yes, even though we had a very competitive world cup selection, it's still fairly bare-bones behind the scenes.

However, with the 3 from 4 rugby academies open now, we should start to see more youngsters coming through.

Time for that billionaire to come along and fund the Caledonia and Border Reivers pro team resurrection! And save Scottish rugby from mediocrity! Whistle

JK Rowling could do that with pocket change .
That's a genuinely good idea, and I actually think she'd be up for it. Huge rugby fan, she is.

Prepare yourselves by turning your geekyness up to 11...
https://www.pottermore.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/scottish-rugby
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 11:07 am

The problem is that we don't just need one big lump sum, we need it every year to keep it going, estimated to be around £5m a year. Edinburgh and Glasgow survive because the SRU makes loads of money from the 6N, AIs and world cups.

It just isn't a good business decision to privately start up a 3rd pro team - you will make no money and probably lose a lot.

To give Rowling credit, she donates millions to charity every year and supposedly gets hundreds of charity begging requests every day.

She lives in a nice area of Edinburgh (near Mossy!) in a house that isn't too ridiculously big and drives a fairly normal Audi - Mrs RDW-to-be drives past her quite a lot on her morning commute - and her kids go to an Edinburgh private school.

Her life is entrenched in Scotland so there could be a personal passion for it, but I'd be very surprised!

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Post by madmaccas on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 11:54 am

George Bordill , George Blackwell and Jamie Ross are all at Sale Academy/Jets.

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Post by madmaccas on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 12:02 pm

Aaron Thomson is at Exeter.

Tom Dodd, Alex Nisbet are at Worcester.

Alan Gregory is at Northampton Saints.

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Fri 23 Oct 2015, 5:40 pm

Cheers madmaccas, although could ya do us a favour and list their position as well? Ta
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Post by madmaccas on Sun 25 Oct 2015, 1:11 pm

Sure thing:

SALE

George Bordill is a flanker

George Blackwell is a No.8

Jamie Ross is a prop


EXETER

Aaron Thomson is a blindside flanker


WORCESTER

Tom Dodd is a No.8

Alex Nisbet is a fullback


NORTHAMPTON

Alan Gregory is a 2nd Rower


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Post by George Carlin on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 9:36 am

Great thread - let's keep this one running.
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Post by Majestic83 on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 10:15 am

Liking the thread and the list of players, definitely far tidier than my one.
Been on holiday the past couple weeks but had updated my previous one just before I went off work. Back today and bored already. The list I have I've done just by position and have included pro players in Scotland and abroad and also put in some rugby league players who have had experience in union.

Here it is
Scotland qualified players
Props 30
A Dickinson(Edinburgh), A Dell(Edinburgh), R Sutherland(Edinburgh), G Shiells(Edinburgh), J Cosgrove(Edinburgh) R Grant(Glasgow), G Reid(Glasgow), A Allan(Glasgow), G Strain(Glasgow) K traynor(Bristol), R Hislop(Rotherham), C Fenton(Glasgow EDP), C Quigley(Doncaster Knights)
W P Nel(Edinburgh), S Berghan(Edinburgh), C Sheldon(Edinburgh), E Murray(Agen), J Welsh(Newcastle), M Cusack(Glasgow), Z Fargeson(Glasgow), D Rae(Glasgow), G Hunter(Glasgow), G Cross(London Irish), M Low(Exeter), D Young(London Scottish), B Prescott(London Scottish, P Cringle(Carcassone), J Gilding(L Welsh) N Fraser (North harbour Rays), J Sebastian(Glasgow)

Hookers 16
R Ford(Edinburgh), N Cochrane(Edinburgh), J hilterbrand(Edinburgh), S McInally(Edinburgh), G Turner(Edinburgh), P MacArthur(Glasgow), F Brown(Glasgow), K Bryce(Glasgow), F Scott(Glasgow), J Malcolm(Glasgow EDP), S Lawson(Newcastle), A Walker(Trailfinders), D Cherry( London Scottish),J Kerr(Edinburgh), S James(Scotland U20s/Bedford Blues), R Anderson(Jersey)

Locks 27
G Gilchrist(Edinburgh), F McKenzie(Edinburgh), B Toolis(Edinburgh), A Toolis(Edinburgh), J Gray(Glasgow), T Swinson(Glasgow), K Low(Glasgow), A Davidson(Glasgow EDP), S Cummings(Glasgow EDP), A Redmayne(Glasgow EDP), J Hamilton(Saracens), S MacLeod(Newcastle), S Tomes(Newcastle), A Crammond(Toulon), A Sinclair(Albi), R Gray(Castres), G Young(Newcastle) N Patrick (London Scottish)) N Campbell (Jersey), Josh T Brown(London Scottish), A Muldowney(Connacht), C Hunter-Hill(Glasgow EDP), M Douglas(Melbourne Rising) A Craig(Gloucester)(also B/R), T Ryder(Yorkshire carnegie), O Atkins(Exeter), K McDonald(Glasgow EDP)

Backrow 39
J Hardie(Edinburgh), R Grant(Edinburgh), H Watson(Edinburgh), D Denton(Edinburgh), J Ritchie(Edinburgh), M Bradbury(Edinburgh), A Miller (Edinburgh) H Blake(Glasgow), J Strauss(Glasgow), C Fusaro(Glasgow), T Holmes(Glasgow), W Bordill(Glasgow), T Spinks(Jersey), R Harley(Glasgow), J Eddie(Glasgow), R Wilson(Glasgow), A Ashe(Glasgow),J Hill(Glasgow) A Hogg(Newcastle), K Brown(Saracens), B Cowan(London Irish), J Barclay(Scarlets), M Eadie(Bristol), J Beattie(Castres), A Strokosh(Perpignan), D Sisi(Bath/London Irish), E Masterson( Connacht), K Murphy( London Welsh), M Smith(Glasgow EDP), S Dewar(Scotland 7s), M Fedo(Scotland 7s), S Riddell(Scotland 7s), G Graham(Jersey), S Newlands(Carcassone), Iain Grieve(Ealing Trailfinders), J Tyas(Chinnor), Z Mercer(Bath), S Dougall(Pau), M Dewar(Glasgow EDP), L Wynne(Glasgow EDP), B Flockhart(Glasgow EDP)

Scrum Half 20
S Hidalgo-Clyne(Edinburgh), S Kennedy(Edinburgh), M McAndrew(Edinburgh) N Fowles(Edinburgh) H Fraser(Edinburgh EDP),A Glashan(Edinburgh), G Hart(Glasgow), H Pyrgos(Glasgow),A Price(Glasgow), M McConnel(Nottingham), C Cusiter(Sale), G Laidlaw(Gloucester), M Blair(Glasgow), S Steele(London Irish), J Stevenson(Wasps) B McKibbin(London Irish) , M Heeks(London Scottish), B Vellacott(Gloucester/Scotland U20), R Weir(London Scottish), J Turner(Western Force), G Horne(Glasgow EDP)

Stand Off 17
G Tonks(Edinburgh), B Kinghorn(Edinburgh), J Te Rure(Edinburgh),T Heathcote(Worcester), F Russel(Glasgow), D Weir(Glasgow), G Hunter(Glasgow), R Jackson(Wasps), L Millar(London Scottish), B Chalmers(Bordeaux), H Leonard(Yorkshire Carnegie) R Hutchison(Northampton) A Hastings(Bath)
D McKenzie (Chiefs) G Lowe(Glasgow EDP/Scotland 7s), S Wight(Scotland 7s), , G Haldane(Northampton Saints)

Wings 22
D Fyfe(Edinburgh),T Brown(Edinburgh) , D Hoyland(Edinburgh), B Robbins(Edinburgh EDP/Scotland U20s), J Farndale(Edinburgh), S Maitland(London Irish), T Seymour(Glasgow), S Lamont(Glasgow), L Jones(Glasgow), R Hughes(Glasgow), J Bulumakau(Glasgow Warriors), T Visser(Harlequins), G Watkins(Bristol) J McNicholl(Crusaders) M Russell(Warrington RL), J McManus(Newcastle knights RL) R Nairn(harlequins), A Coombes(London Scottish/Scotland U20), J Fleming(Scotland 7s), M Robertson (Glasgow/Scotland 7s), C Kinloch(Ealing Trailfinders), A Bulumakau(Doncaster Knights), D Flockhart(Doncaster Knights),

Centres 21
M Scott(Edinburgh), C Auld(Edinburgh)?, C Dean(Edinburgh),J Johnstone(Edinburgh/Scotland 7s) A Dunbar(Glasgow), P Horne(Glasgow), M Bennett(Glasgow), R Vernon(Glasgow), F Lyle (Glasgow),R Fergusson(Glasgow EDP),J Steele(Glasgow EDP) , N Grigg(Glasgow EDP), D Taylor(Saracens), M Doneghan(London Scottish), A Grove(Worcester), N De Luca(Biarittz), O Grove(London Scottish) H Jones(Stormers & Western Province), K Linnett(North Queensland Cowboys RL/ Scotland RL) J Wardle (Huddersfield Giants RL/Scotland RL), P Kelly(le Parc/Scotland U20s), N Godsmark(Glasgow/Scotland 7s), N Herron(Glasgow EDP/Scotland 7s), C Jackson(London Scottish)

Full Backs 13
J Cuthbert(Edinburgh), N McLennan(Edinburgh), S Hogg(Glasgow), P Murchie(Glasgow), G Bryce(Glasgow), S MacColl(Gloucester), B McGuigan(Exeter), A Tait(Newcastle),) R Robinson(Toyota Verblitz) B Ransom(Saracens) L Coote(North Queensland Cowboys RL/Scotland RL) K Locke(Salford Reds RL) R Howarth (Edinburgh EDP/Scotland U20s)

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Re: Scottish Player List (playing outside of Scotland) & transfers

Post by Majestic83 on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 10:16 am

madmaccas wrote:Sure thing:

SALE

George Bordill is a flanker

George Blackwell is a No.8

Jamie Ross is a prop


EXETER

Aaron Thomson is a blindside flanker


WORCESTER

Tom Dodd is a No.8

Alex Nisbet is a fullback


NORTHAMPTON

Alan Gregory is a 2nd Rower


Do you know if these guys are any good?

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Post by madmaccas on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 1:46 pm

Majestic83 wrote:
madmaccas wrote:Sure thing:

SALE

George Bordill is a flanker

George Blackwell is a No.8

Jamie Ross is a prop


EXETER

Aaron Thomson is a blindside flanker


WORCESTER

Tom Dodd is a No.8

Alex Nisbet is a fullback


NORTHAMPTON

Alan Gregory is a 2nd Rower


Do you know if these guys are any good?

I've only seen a couple of them play, but Bordhill's pretty handy as is Blackwell.

They can't be too bad to be on the books at those clubs. Maybe 2-3 of them will make it. Ones to look out for in the future.

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Post by George Carlin on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 1:48 pm

I read ages ago that George was a better prospect than Will and as the latter is on terms with Glasgow already then I am expecting good things from the younger Bordill.
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Post by madmaccas on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 2:01 pm

Had a goose through the Scotland RL squad and got a wee list of players at descent clubs (i.e not Edinburgh Eagles) who are under 25 and would have the time to convert. * Denotes the players I think could covert easily

Ben Hellewell is at London Broncos, is a centre/fullback and is only 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tyzo6ZM9Yg

Alex Walker is also at London Broncos, is a fullback and is just 20

David Scott is a weegie playing for Doncaster on the wing and is 22 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Slp6QaEHzo

Oscar Thomas plays for Bradford Bulls, is a half back (fly half) and is just 21 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Slp6QaEHzo  (these are 2 years old)

Adam Walker plays for Hull, is a prop and is 24

Liam Hood plays for Salford, is a hooker (scrum half) and is 23 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEcbHXlOraE

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Post by MacKnocked-on on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 5:21 pm

madmaccas wrote:Had a goose through the Scotland RL squad and got a wee list of players at descent clubs (i.e not Edinburgh Eagles) who are under 25 and would have the time to convert. * Denotes the players I think could covert easily

Ben Hellewell is at London Broncos, is a centre/fullback and is only 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tyzo6ZM9Yg

Alex Walker is also at London Broncos, is a fullback and is just 20

David Scott is a weegie playing for Doncaster on the wing and is 22 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Slp6QaEHzo

Oscar Thomas plays for Bradford Bulls, is a half back (fly half) and is just 21 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Slp6QaEHzo  (these are 2 years old)

Adam Walker plays for Hull, is a prop and is 24

Liam Hood plays for Salford, is a hooker (scrum half) and is 23 *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEcbHXlOraE

Matty Russell at Warrington is probably the best of the bunch and would be a good bet to succeed in union.

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Post by madmaccas on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 8:45 pm

MacKnocked-on wrote:Matty Russell at Warrington is probably the best of the bunch and would be a good bet to succeed in union.

Yeah I reckon so, but I left him out because he's in lots of ours lists. Been trying to find new ones.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Mon 26 Oct 2015, 9:32 pm

Russell is from Ayrshire!! Jeez, what are we waiting for??

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Thu 29 Oct 2015, 9:11 am

Thanks everyone. OP updated. I've also added an extra RL spoiler with those extra players mentioned.
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Post by Nematode on Thu 29 Oct 2015, 11:25 am

Just interested in people's thoughts, but why would you decide to play rugby league (growing up in Scotland) when you could play Union at more locations and maybe have a better shot at turning professional?

Don't really know many places that play League too.

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Post by nickj on Thu 29 Oct 2015, 12:26 pm

Cracking list chaps. Top work

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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Thu 29 Oct 2015, 5:28 pm

Nematode wrote:Just interested in people's thoughts, but why would you decide to play rugby league (growing up in Scotland) when you could play Union at more locations and maybe have a better shot at turning professional?

Don't really know many places that play League too.
No idea. 

TBH, if it wasn't for our involvement in the recent RL World Cups (albeit with a mostly Australian line up) I wouldn't have thought any Scots play it at all!
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Post by Majestic83 on Thu 29 Oct 2015, 10:33 pm

A Simply Mesmeric Try wrote:
Nematode wrote:Just interested in people's thoughts, but why would you decide to play rugby league (growing up in Scotland) when you could play Union at more locations and maybe have a better shot at turning professional?

Don't really know many places that play League too.
No idea. 

TBH, if it wasn't for our involvement in the recent RL World Cups (albeit with a mostly Australian line up) I wouldn't have thought any Scots play it at all!

Quite a few of the guys at my club play or have played league during the Union of season.
3 of them have gone on to be capped by scotland with one of them getting a pro deal in England.

Think the main reason they have all got into it is either watching the nrl and fancying a go, something to do in the union off season and with that realising they could gain international honours easier than obviously could in Union and putting them in the shop window.

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Post by HammerofThunor on Mon 09 Nov 2015, 10:28 pm

Just leave this here in case of interest. By product of what I was doing for the Premiership players. I took the list in the OP, not all have been played yet this season.


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Post by George Carlin on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:35 am

Great work Hammer. How do you post spreadsheets onto threads?

Ah cannae dae it.
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Post by A Simply Mesmeric Try on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 7:59 pm

OP updated with Edinburgh's David Denton moving to Bath.

Also, added the other McKenzie kiwi. Brothers Damien (FH/FB for Chiefs) and Marty (FB/WG for Crusaders) are cousins to Robbie Robinson (FB/FH for Toyota Verblitz and formerly of the Chiefs).
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Post by sensisball on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 2:30 pm

I read that Kevin Sinfield was likely to play at 10 for Leeds, currently learning the game from the wise head that is Harry Leonard!

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 11 Nov 2015, 2:36 pm

Forgot about Harry Leonard - hopefully he developes well down in Leeds and comes back to Edinburgh to solve our problems at 10!

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