FA Cup Semi Final Draw

by Fernando Mon 26 Oct 2015, 8:34 pm

First topic message reminder :

Crystal Palace vs Watford
Everton vs Man Utd or West Ham

by Stella Sun 13 Mar 2016, 4:08 pm

All set up for an upset but I think Utd will win. West Ham should have been 1 up. Good first touch, poor second.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 4:54 pm

We've had the two chances but sat back. Seem scared. Occasion and the reality of the situation might be getting to them

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:21 pm

West Ham need to get Valencia/Sakho on for Carroll, and get Payet into the middle

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:24 pm

Who is the biggest bottler

Martin Atkinson or Arsene Wenger

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:24 pm

Typical! Clear pen

by Stella Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:27 pm

Cracking finish.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:27 pm

He's incredible

by Guest Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:31 pm

What a fantastic FA Cup this season. Hold out Hammers!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:36 pm

Payet has not fouled him at all there. Atkinson is in red!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:42 pm

Being mugged here. Ref is stitching us up

by Guest Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:42 pm

United 1-1 WHU - Martial

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:42 pm

Schwein wiping out the keeper. Joke

by Stella Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:52 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Schwein wiping out the keeper. Joke

I didn't notice that first time. Oh well another cup game at the Boleyn.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun 13 Mar 2016, 5:53 pm

Well we've had that stolen by whoever paid the ref off. Payet should be one on one with De Gea. We should have had a pen. And Randolph is fouled.

Not that you'd know it from the reporting.

by Duty281 Sun 13 Mar 2016, 6:04 pm

John wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:ANOTHER easy tie for Arsenal

Yes, the treble dream is still alive.

how's that panning out, Duty?

As tattered as my broken heart. Very Happy

by Corporalhumblebucket Sun 13 Mar 2016, 6:08 pm

Looked like a spectacular foul on goalkeeper for the Man Utd equaliser! furious

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 13 Mar 2016, 10:54 pm

Not sure when this cast iron penalty happened as I didn't see one, if it was foul for the free kick then it was a foul for the one on one.

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:33 am

Most reporting a dive for the penalty shout, meaning payet should've been sent off prior to scoring.

Heard the ref was terrible all around.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 8:24 am

Ludicrous. Clear foul on Payet on the freekick, more than once too, and he definitely did nothing to Varela, especially considering Varela was on him too.

Howard Webb didn't give a dive, saw the contact on the foot.
Won't have seen it with blinkers on though HH Wink

Think we deserved to win, still do, and that the ref was awful throughout, bottling the goal decision cos he was at OT.

by Guest Mon 14 Mar 2016, 9:08 am

Ref's performance doesn't fill me with confidence that LFC will get a fair shake at OT on Thursday (but when did we ever?). Clear foul on the Hammers' keeper by that dirty Bastian.

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 9:16 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Ludicrous. Clear foul on Payet on the freekick, more than once too, and he definitely did nothing to Varela, especially considering Varela was on him too.

Howard Webb didn't give a dive, saw the contact on the foot.
Won't have seen it with blinkers on though HH

Think we deserved to win, still do, and that the ref was awful throughout, bottling the goal decision cos he was at OT.

Yeah but if you aren't one eyed most saying ref was just terrible and not biased.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 10:40 am

I think he was terrible throughout, I must say, so it probably wasn't bias but just ineptitude. Still not sure why bookings were handed out any time someone slide tackled. Carrick in particular, just trying to block a pass, but cos he's sliding it's a yellow

by compelling and rich Mon 14 Mar 2016, 10:45 am

was a dive for me, he was already on the way down before any contact. certainly not enough contact to deem it a foul. agree the ref was terrible, either way he bottled it and gave nothing. didnt see anything wrong with payet running through live but the replays shows he does tug him back by the arm. got away with the bastian one, although you could argue if the defender doesn't step into him he doesn't hit the keeper but didnt see anything in real time. only saw it on the replay afterwards

overall draw was fair result, west ham will probably be favorites now going into the replay considering our form. poor display seeing though wembley is only a game away and most of the big clubs are out. fully expect us to get knocked out now and spoil a urine up in london

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 11:08 am

I think it was a pen, considering speed, but would agree he was ready to go down before being touched; not something I like to see.

It was certainly better from your lot, but again theres a lot of neat work that doesnt threaten. I think had we been a touch smarter we'd have done more to ruin Herrera as he was your best player. Him and Carrick were given too much freedom to play.

Saying that, considering there's been only two goals in the two games so far, both matches between us have been quite good.

by **Hero** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 11:48 am

Is that a 'not something you'd like to see' in a 2 day rant at the ethos of Liverpool fans when one of their players dives kind of way? Whistle

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 11:59 am

Hero wrote:Is that a 'not something you'd like to see' in a 2 day rant at the ethos of Liverpool fans when one of their players dives kind of way?

To be fair Payet was fouled but had already prepared to be fouled as he touched the ball away from Rojo.

If you're comparing it to Benteke, Benteke flat out cheated.

by **Crimey** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:00 pm

There's basically no difference. They were both hit, they were both probably happy to take the foul and they both went down.

If anything Payet's looks even worse, as he was going down before the contact, Benteke only went down after - which actually made it look more like a dive, because the contact was with the knee rather than foot.

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:32 pm

Crimey wrote:There's basically no difference. They were both hit, they were both probably happy to take the foul and they both went down.

If anything Payet's looks even worse, as he was going down before the contact, Benteke only went down after - which actually made it look more like a dive, because the contact was with the knee rather than foot.

Benteke wasn't hit enough to fall down, that's so obvious unless you're being biased. He felt an inconsequential touch to the side of his foot and dived.

Payet knew he was being fouled and was hit by Rojo but wasn't given it because he was looking for it a bit.

by **Crimey** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:36 pm

Marky wrote:
Crimey wrote:There's basically no difference. They were both hit, they were both probably happy to take the foul and they both went down.

If anything Payet's looks even worse, as he was going down before the contact, Benteke only went down after - which actually made it look more like a dive, because the contact was with the knee rather than foot.

Benteke wasn't hit enough to fall down, that's so obvious unless you're being biased. He felt an inconsequential touch to the side of his foot and dived.

Payet knew he was being fouled and was hit by Rojo but wasn't given it because he was looking for it a bit.

I actually would have agreed a few days ago, but having watched the replays a few times, watched Match of the Day etc. I actually think it was a penalty. His foot is knocked away, whilst running at pace, he wouldn't have been immediately able to put his foot down and continue running. Sure he didn't need to fall the way he did, but I do think he was impeded.

I haven't seen as much of the Payet one, only a video from a couple of angles, but what it looked like to me is Payet goes past Rojo, leaves his leg and starts falling, then as he is falling Rojo hits him. Payet could have continued, there's a chance he might not have, but because he already started going down, it's hard to see whether he'd have avoided the challenge had he kept running.

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:36 pm

For the record, contact means nothing because Football is a contact sport. Rojo fouled Payet regardless of Payet's actions and it should really have been a penalty.

Delaney slid in, pulled out of the tackle, didn't foul Benteke but Benteke cheated.

To say "there's basically no difference" is just wrong.

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:38 pm

Benteke wasn't at pace either. He cheated.

Payet cheated but at least he was fouled.

by **Crimey** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:41 pm

A foul doesn't have to be intentional to still be a foul, Delaney tried to avoid taking Benteke out with his foot but then took his foot out with his knee. Benteke was definitely impeded, but he didn't need to go down, but that's football isn't it, even when it's a legitimate foul you generally have to go down for it to be noticed. Payet's was similar, could he have continued? Probably. Was the tackle going to impede him? Possibly, it's hard to tell because he already started going down before we could tell if he was away.

I don't think a foul is necessarily stopping a player completely, if there's contact and it affects the player, I think that's a foul.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:50 pm

I'd agree there (with Marky). Again, dont think diving is a mass crime like the media, defenders cheat constantly but its seen as ok because old players did it in their heyday. Think it says a lot really that players are crucified more for diving than they are if they elbowing people.

The difference to me on this one is certainly pace. If Benteke had got the contact he got against Palace but travelling at real speed I'd have called it a penalty all day. But when you're extremely balanced and set you cannot claim a touch like that throws you down.

Nice of you to pop in Hero, been quiet having scraped a replay with us even though you were at home Wink

(and the point on Liverpool wasnt so much the dive itself but the blanket defending or justification)

But no, I have made my stance clear on diving. It isn't something worthy of banning a player, its a yellow card and a bit annoying. Often I think you have to drop a bit because refs now see staying on your feet as a way of saying "I wasnt fouled".

by Stella Mon 14 Mar 2016, 12:57 pm

Difficult at times to determine when a player has dived, to start handing out bans.

Watching the Arsenal game yesterday, Welbeck could have easily dived for a pen late on, as the defender did hinder him by pushing/leaning into him. Should the ref given a penalty regardless?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 2:17 pm

That's my problem. Couple of seasons ago Jarvis got fouled in the box at Arsenal but stayed on his feet. It's hard to bemoan a player going down when refs only give fouls once you lose your footing.

Madness really the indignation the press goes for when there's a dive, yet hero worships "clever" defenders who push, pull, scratch and take little digs at players. Gimme Ashley Young over Vinnie Jones any day

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 2:28 pm

That's proper mans cheating though.

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 2:35 pm

That payet dive was a lot worse than benteke.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 3:35 pm

Except the part where he was clearly clipped and sprinting at full pelt. You know, the whole part where he's fouled

by **Hero** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 3:40 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This is so good. You've come on and proved my point.

One, we actually are because our fans crucify divers, and the mass debates had when Jarvis refused to go down at Arsenal last year prove that. Two, I do not think diving appalling but I know you would have gone mental for anyone else. To me, there's exaggerating contact, making the most of a foul to get a pen and there's diving. It was a dive.

Instead of saying "it's not on, it happens but he should be ashamed" you've gone full on defensive and then on the attack to others.

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 3:40 pm

Ent wrote:That payet dive was a lot worse than benteke.

Are you serious?

by Stella Mon 14 Mar 2016, 3:44 pm

The draw tonight.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Hammer - Watford final.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 3:53 pm

Hero wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:This is so good. You've come on and proved my point.

One, we actually are because our fans crucify divers, and the mass debates had when Jarvis refused to go down at Arsenal last year prove that. Two, I do not think diving appalling but I know you would have gone mental for anyone else. To me, there's exaggerating contact, making the most of a foul to get a pen and there's diving. It was a dive.

Instead of saying "it's not on, it happens but he should be ashamed" you've gone full on defensive and then on the attack to others.

Literally nothing but what i've continued to say. Haven't deviated from my point an inch. Like I said there and have said here, there's diving, there's exaggerating contact and there's making the most of a foul. Different things. Some are needed due to incompetent refereeing.

In fact, I've referenced the blooming Jarvis moment on this thread too! Stop being a Nick and add something proper or I'll have to ban you kiss

by Marky Mon 14 Mar 2016, 4:00 pm

Payet made the most of a foul, but he was fouled, he got to the ball first and Rojo slid in taking him out. Payet's crime was exaggerating it to make sure the ref saw it and it didn't work.

Benteke got tapped and dived. That tap didn't make him fall over no matter how many of you think that a 6ft 3" muscular centre forward would drop at walking pace by being tapped on the boot.

by **Crimey** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 4:04 pm

Marky wrote:Payet made the most of a foul, but he was fouled, he got to the ball first and Rojo slid in taking him out. Payet's crime was exaggerating it to make sure the ref saw it and it didn't work.

Benteke got tapped and dived. That tap didn't make him fall over no matter how many of you think that a 6ft 3" muscular centre forward would drop at walking pace by being tapped on the boot.

Payet was going down before he was touched though, that's why for me it's worse. He was going to go down anyway, if Rojo dematerialised before contact was made, Payet had already gone down. There's even a possibility that Payet could have actually got past Rojo's challenge had he continued to run.

Benteke was not at walking pace at all, he was sprinting, granted he wasn't going full speed and Benteke isn't a particularly pacey person, but I do think he was impeded. He could have continued running yes, but his stride was altered by the knee pushing his foot before he could put it down.

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 4:59 pm

Rojo didn't touch payet, he dived.

Delaney clipped bentekes ankle with his knee.

Straight forward really

by dancingweeman Mon 14 Mar 2016, 5:29 pm

Ent wrote:Rojo didn't touch payet, he dived.

Delaney clipped bentekes ankle with his knee.

Straight forward really

Agree with this.

For me, there was no contact with Payet from Rojo and Payet went down expecting a leg/foot to be there that he could claim to be falling over. A dive for me and he was lucky that he didn't get a second yellow.

Benteke at least felt contact before throwing himself to the ground, although I still don't think it was a penalty. Someone else mentioned it above but contact doesn't equal a penalty/foul.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 14 Mar 2016, 5:45 pm

Dunno Marky, I guess we saw a different match but there's contact, that's why Webb said it was a pen on tv. And Payet's crime seems to be knowing that he was gonna be hit. Benteke has flopped without needing to, whereas Payet was flying full speed and clipped.

If the ref has good enough eyes to see a dive there then he sees Schwein's best contribution in a red shirt as he takes out Randolph

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 6:38 pm

Not the way it works I'm afraid. You should just be happy payet wasn't sent off.

by Stella Mon 14 Mar 2016, 6:55 pm

I think he dived. If the ref thought likewise, why wasn't he booked?

by Ent Mon 14 Mar 2016, 6:56 pm

Refs don't always book people for diving for some reason. One of the more annoying inconsistencies.

He dived to win the free kick he scored so excellently from too.

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