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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 28 Sep 2016, 10:25 am

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Actually Davie, they didn't fit yours (apologies; 'idiocy' is a bit strong). Your earlier comments were all about how he'd actually done something terrible/illegal i.e. told them how to get around 3rd party ownership (he didn't) with the possible implication that he'd been knowingly involved in it (no evidence of this), took £400k for dodgy seminars (he didn't and he said he'd have to clear it with the FA) etc. You wanted him to be a crook from the off.
You also claimed Ben and I said he was 'innocent' - we said no such thing.

You never took S_R's approach re. his position being untenable because he was England manager, the one thing he probably falls foul of. His comments re. Hodgson/Nevile were unfortunate, but this was a private conversation and, actually, big deal. Seriously, the next poor schmuck who takes this on should treat the media as they deserve.

There may well be more to this - we'll see. Until then, the only thing he's 'guilty' of is putting himself in a stupid position cf. the FA's comments re. FIFA etc and forcing the FA to ask him to fall on his sword. S_R's right with this; the FA had little choice really.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:37 pm

Tony Blair is a lying, hypocritical war criminal.
Gordon Brown is a one eyed, sweaty.
Happy?
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Post by super_realist on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:39 pm

What about Labour? You can't have a go at the Tories policies and then let Labour off without a mention.

How about that arse Corbyn? Got anything negative to say about him? Happy with him praising a dictator?

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Post by MontysMerkin on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:43 pm

Don't really know anything about Corbyn, the media don't want to give him airtime. The few things I've seen have been a bit weird to be honest. He was sitting on the floor of a train in one of them. I do like the fact that he wants to nationalise the post office, energy, housing and the trains though.
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Post by super_realist on Mon 28 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

How can you nationalise housing? Unless you mean council housing?

Corbyn gets plenty airtime, but like you say, he fills it with nonsense about trying to pretend he can't get a seat, or praising a dictator like Castro.

Whatever though, politics is a mess in this country. No effective party on either side.


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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 8:06 am

Watched this TED talk last night, with my tin hat on. As the guy says, I don't want a vote in the election I want to decide who gets nominated. Very interesting.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 8:42 am

You don't vote for individuals though, you vote for the policies of a party.

And, if you are a member of a political party, you can vote on who gets the nomination to lead the party.

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Post by pedro on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 8:55 am

1) Why do you care monty? Are you American?
2) He makes a perfect argument for voting Trump. He's not funded by anyone else but himself and listens to the 'common people'.
3) His continuous playing of the race card is a bit contrived. Finding arguments to fit the agenda, like the 'voting tax'.
4) Some of his other points are relevant for America though, but can't really see anything being relevant for the UK.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 9:25 am

pedro wrote:1) Why do you care monty? Are you American?
2) He makes a perfect argument for voting Trump. He's not funded by anyone else but himself and listens to the 'common people'.
3) His continuous playing of the race card is a bit contrived. Finding arguments to fit the agenda, like the 'voting tax'.
4) Some of his other points are relevant for America though, but can't really see anything being relevant for the UK.
Why wouldn't I care?
Trump is definitely not funded by himself picard
It's not about Trump but 'democracy' (Trump is just the result of the contrived system)
If you can't see the relevance then fair enough, I find it quite interesting.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 10:37 am

You and Mac should get a room Monty. Two kindred spirits.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Tue 29 Nov 2016, 10:45 am

Ouch!
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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:02 am

What do we think of the snooping charter, chaps?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:19 am

What about it?

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:40 am

Wondered what you thought of it. Or by the sounds of it, whether you'd heard of it?
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Post by McLaren on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:47 am

Monty

Seems like a terrible idea. The government can now pretty much have a look at whatever you've been looking at.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:50 am

Not just them but they are opening up 5 years of your browsing history to:
Metropolitan Police Service
City of London Police
Police forces maintained under section 2 of the Police Act 1996
Police Service of Scotland
Police Service of Northern Ireland
British Transport Police
Ministry of Defence Police
Royal Navy Police
Royal Military Police
Royal Air Force Police
Security Service
Secret Intelligence Service
GCHQ
Ministry of Defence
Department of Health
Home Office
Ministry of Justice
National Crime Agency
HM Revenue & Customs
Department for Transport
Department for Work and Pensions
NHS trusts and foundation trusts in England that provide ambulance services
Common Services Agency for the Scottish Health Service
Competition and Markets Authority
Criminal Cases Review Commission
Department for Communities in Northern Ireland
Department for the Economy in Northern Ireland
Department of Justice in Northern Ireland
Financial Conduct Authority
Fire and rescue authorities under the Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004
Food Standards Agency
Food Standards Scotland
Gambling Commission
Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority
Health and Safety Executive
Independent Police Complaints Commissioner
Information Commissioner
NHS Business Services Authority
Northern Ireland Ambulance Service Health and Social Care Trust
Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service Board
Northern Ireland Health and Social Care Regional Business Services Organisation
Office of Communications
Office of the Police Ombudsman for Northern Ireland
Police Investigations and Review Commissioner
Scottish Ambulance Service Board
Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission
Serious Fraud Office
Welsh Ambulance Services National Health Service Trust
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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:52 am

Ha, bet Xi Jinping, Putin and Kim Jong-un are gutted they couldn't get there first. Mind you I suppose we'll soon be selling our data to the highest bidder!

Christ, me tin hat nearly fell off....
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 10:54 am

I couldn't care less if someone had access to browsing history like that. Why would I?

Why are SJW's so sensitive about it? No one cares about the average person looking at stuff.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:02 am

super_realist wrote:I couldn't care less if someone had access to browsing history like that. Why would I?

Why are SJW's so sensitive about it? No one cares about the average person looking at stuff.
So you wouldn't be bothered if they sold data about your familys medical history to insurance companies?
Or that you whack off to TW pics under your blankets?
Or that someone who you pissed off (can't imagine their'd be many) found out that you liked browsing ladies underwear and spread it round the golf club while you were out in the car park adjusting your fishnets?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:22 am

Of course I'd care if they sold it, but that isn't even being considered.
As usual, you're trying to sensationalise a fairly mundane news item.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:26 am

super_realist wrote:Of course I'd care if they sold it, but that isn't even being considered.
picard I honestly don't know how to respond.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10656893/Hospital-records-of-all-NHS-patients-sold-to-insurers.html
And that's in the Telegraph for pity's sake.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:30 am

MontysMerkin wrote:
super_realist wrote:Of course I'd care if they sold it, but that isn't even being considered.
picard I honestly don't know how to respond.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10656893/Hospital-records-of-all-NHS-patients-sold-to-insurers.html
And that's in the Telegraph for pity's sake.

Clearly this isn't a good thing, but I couldn't care less if someone knew I'd looked at the Scottish Police Website for instance. Why would I?

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:37 am

Not sure you're getting the point of all this (or maybe deliberately obtuse? Hope so).

The concept of a right to a private life encompasses the importance of personal dignity and autonomy and the interaction a person has with others, both in private or in public.

Respect for one’s private life includes:

respect for individual sexuality (so, for example, investigations into the sexuality of members of the armed forces engages the right to respect for a private life);
the right to personal autonomy and physical and psychological integrity, i.e. the right not to be physically interfered with;
respect for private and confidential information, particularly the storing and sharing of such information;
the right not to be subject to unlawful state surveillance;
respect for privacy when one has a reasonable expectation of privacy; and
the right to control the dissemination of information about one’s private life, including photographs taken covertly.

Itake it you do believe we're allowed a private life?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:49 am

Well, Monty, I'm sure there are some things I'd like to keep private, such as health records, and somethings I couldn't give a sh!t about were they to be "snooped" upon.

If for example, I was researching how to make a bomb, and was purchasing the ingredients to make it, I wouldn't mind that sort of data being taken. Would you?


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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:58 am

Not at all. But why would the food standards agency be interested? Or the welsh ambulance service? GCHQ has been monitoring this sort of activity and has proudly been telling us how many 'plots' it's foiled in the last 5 years or so.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:03 pm

Exactly, so why would I care if they knew I was browsing them? I don't see why you would. Would you require privacy for that. I wouldn't be embarrassed or feel my privacy was being intruded upon if I was "caught" browsing that. I agree it's stupid that such sites are part of what is "monitored", but I still don't care.

Hardly going to cost me a Developed Vetting Security Clearance is it?

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Post by McLaren on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:19 pm

Super

What happens when the Rev Theresa May is putting her list of foreign workers together and decides to have a peek in you browser history?
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Post by super_realist on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:21 pm

I'm not foreign, so why would it matter if she looks in my browser?

She wouldn't find anything which interests her in my browsing history anyway.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:25 pm

I haven't read the info about this Act (or whatever it is), but I'm far from convinced that my browsing history should be open to one and all on that list without my explicit say-so.
I don't think States generally have a good history where snooping on legal personal and private activities is concerned.
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Post by McLaren on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:26 pm

Navy, spot on. You just don't know when they are going to misuse what they can get hold of.
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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 12:56 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:I haven't read the info about this Act (or whatever it is), but I'm far from convinced that my browsing history should be open to one and all on that list without my explicit say-so.
I don't think States generally have a good history where snooping on legal personal and private activities is concerned.
They slid it out without too much fanfare. If you start having to wear a badge denoting your class, voting preferences, sexual orientation, etc then you just know we're heading down the right path.
To be fair, labour have done f all to stop it, even though they defeated it the last time dismay tried to get it through.
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Post by JAS on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 1:31 pm

There's a whole host of issues why this is wrong.

Sold to insurers?? Will that be the same industry that bombards us with pesky phone calls about our alleged accident?
How much is the data sold for and does the NHS itself or the private company that patient records have been outsourced to benefit?
I would hazard a guess that it would be the latter and that is a big factor in the Tories falling over themselves to privatise as much of the NHS as it can. The NHS budget and the way it is mismanaged is a HUGE trough for greedy charlatans to dip their noses into.

Snouts in the trough aside...Privacy is privacy, if I chose to browse porn and google chose to share my browsing history with potential employers and I was interviewed by a puritan who decided not to employ me then that is a breach and an abuse of privacy.

With regard to Security clearing, they allegedly don't mind what your habits are as long as your take on it is the same as those who were asked about your character. In other words they are just trying to establish if you have secrets and are thus blackmailable.


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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 1:48 pm

JAS wrote:
How much is the data sold for and does the NHS itself or the private company that patient records have been outsourced to benefit?
Ah bless you, that was very funny Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh
Of course it goes straight back caring for your granny. Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh
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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 1:51 pm

JAS wrote:Privacy is privacy, if I chose to browse porn and google chose to share my browsing history with potential employers and I was interviewed by a puritan who decided not to employ me then that is a breach and an abuse of privacy.
This isn't about google though, don't get distracted. ISPs BY LAW will have to hold your electronic footprint for at least 5 years, and will have to vomit it up if the ambulance service asks for it. Of course MPs are exempt from this. Oh and journalists.
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Post by Davie on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 2:38 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:
JAS wrote:Privacy is privacy, if I chose to browse porn and google chose to share my browsing history with potential employers and I was interviewed by a puritan who decided not to employ me then that is a breach and an abuse of privacy.
This isn't about google though, don't get distracted. ISPs BY LAW will have to hold your electronic footprint for at least 5 years, and will have to vomit it up if the ambulance service asks for it. Of course MPs are exempt from this. Oh and journalists.

Isn't that the more important point though? It's not exactly as if the ISP will bundle up your browsing history ever week and send it off to all that list of "authorities" .. they will have to request it .. and presumably have a damn good reason for requesting it too

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 3:02 pm

None of the agencies involved need permission to ask or a reason. Apart from journalists who I believe will need a court order.
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Post by I'm never wrong on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 4:08 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:None of the agencies involved need permission to ask or a reason. Apart from journalists who I believe will need a court order.
They must have a reason for asking. If they don't, the Information Commissioners Office would do something about it. You can't go fishing.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 4:10 pm

Edit my above post. You might not have to give a reason to the ISP - I haven't read the proposal - but you need to have a justifiable one, that if the ICO asks for, you can produce.

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Post by pedro on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 6:01 pm

I'd be interested to see the browsing history of the FA after narrowing it down this guy...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sporf/status/803982378913984512/video/1

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 6:33 pm

I reckon Southgate will do just fine, certainly much more qualified than the last half dozen.

Wonder if he'll extend the streak of England managers that Gareth Barry has played for? 8 and counting as things stand.

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Post by Davie on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 8:11 pm

How is Southgate much more qualified that Woy? OK It didn't work out for him, but how was he less qualified that Gaweth?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 8:30 pm

Would argue that his 57 caps count for something, not to mention that he's been in the FA set-up for so long and presumably showed enough leadership skills as a player to be club captain wherever he went.
The younger players that have been thru the system seem to be enthused about him; hopefully they can put the bore-fest in Slovenia behind them and prove that Southgate's the right man. Can't think of anyone better right now.

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Post by Davie on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 8:50 pm

By that logic Wayne Rooney is 2 times a better candidate

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 9:43 pm

Yup, When Rooney has managed, coached and managed again as GS has, he'll be worth a look.

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Post by MontysMerkin on Wed 30 Nov 2016, 11:20 pm

Give him a go I reckon. Chance to build post Rooney.
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Post by beninho on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 8:13 am

No issues with Southgate, it does tell us where English managers stand in modern day football though. He has worked with the u21s so see if he brings in a few younger players. Problem still exists that English football is the premier league and not the national team.

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Post by beninho on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 8:15 am

Davie wrote:How is Southgate much more qualified that Woy? OK It didn't work out for him, but how was he less qualified that Gaweth?

While your sentiment is bang on, Hodgson has been the most qualified English national team manager for years, due to his previous experience as a national team manager. But do you really still find it funny to call him Woy?

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Post by Davie on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 8:53 am

Who said I thought it was funny?

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Post by beninho on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 8:55 am

I thought it was some sort of joke. I apologise if I was wrong, and you just made a spelling mistake on the names.

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Post by Davie on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 9:06 am

No it wasn't a joke, neither was it a spelling mistake. Try again

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Post by McLaren on Thu 01 Dec 2016, 10:18 am

Davie wrote:No it wasn't a joke, neither was it a spelling mistake. Try again

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