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Post by SimonofSurrey on Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:28 am

After over 10000 views and 310+ articles spread over seven pages (which you have to scroll thro one by one on an i-phone) I've decided it's time we moved on from the 2016 thread to this year. Here we go...

Cheers all,

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:12 am

Good work Simon
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:22 am

Wow big news is that Mark Footitt has asked for, and been granted his release due to personal reasons (ie. not settling in London).

That is not good news at all.
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Post by guildfordbat on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:26 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Wow big news is that Mark Footitt has asked for, and been granted his release due to personal reasons (ie. not settling in London).

That is not good news at all.

Although not reported on the Surrey website, Footitt has signed for Notts on a contract to the end of the 209 season.

This is an absolute mess.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:29 am

guildfordbat wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Wow big news is that Mark Footitt has asked for, and been granted his release due to personal reasons (ie. not settling in London).

That is not good news at all.

Although not reported on the Surrey website, Footitt has signed for Notts on a contract to the end of the 209 season.

This is an absolute mess.

Guess we now know why they hooked McKerr back from Derbyshire so quickly...

We do have experienced backup in Meaker, Dernbach and Dunn available - but Footitt leaves a huge hole and a lot of experience gone.
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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:12 am

That has certainly weakened Surrey's bowling resources considerably.  I guess as professional cricketer there must long hours when you're not actually playing - but are training, travelling etc - when things are going round and round in your head.  At Surrey alone three recent examples spring instantly to mind - we've recently had Steve Davies with his issues of mental health, Ansari wrestling with whether he actually wants to do cricket as a career, Footitt now with his domestic issues....

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Post by guildfordbat on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:50 am

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:That has certainly weakened Surrey's bowling resources considerably.  I guess as professional cricketer there must long hours when you're not actually playing - but are training, travelling etc - when things are going round and round in your head.  At Surrey alone three recent examples spring instantly to mind - we've recently had Steve Davies with his issues of mental health, Ansari wrestling with whether he actually wants to do cricket as a career, Footitt now with his domestic issues....

Possibly playing bad cop to the Corporal's good cop (who as always makes fair and valid comments) but what really bugs me is the timing and immediacy of Footitt's resignation, identical to Ansari's in terms of its suddenness.

I don't expect players like Footitt and Ansari to remain troubled indefinitely being uncomfortable in their job or location but they both signed up to a ''putting the team first'' ethos [as spoken about by Alec Stewart] and have been well supported and rewarded in the process. Whilst I can't properly diagnose problems of those I don't know from this distance, my gut feeling is that they could and should have offered to see the season out at the Oval and give it as near to 100% as they could during that time. Instead, they've immediately swanned off to do what suits them best without any apparent thoughts as to leaving their employer in the lurch.

PS I understand Matt Dunn is currently recovering from a broken rib. Not a serious injury but one which prevents him being parachuted into action straightaway.

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Post by jimbohammers on Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:46 pm

Hi guys, Interesting news with Footitt. I'm with Guildford, strange timing. I get that he is missing home/family etc.. But leave at the end of the season? Surrey have backed you, you could at least see it out until then. You're a professional sportsman who is very lucky to be paid to play a game.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:27 pm

Not particularly Surrey related but an excellent podcast with Kumar Sangakkara interviewed by Colin Murray looking back at his upbringing etc - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0596l7m

He really is just a class bloke
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Post by guildfordbat on Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:43 am

Olly - as you say, he's a class act. All can learn from him. That's why I was pleased when Stewie said at the last forum meeting that he planned to get Sanga back next season to talk to the squad and do a bit a mentoring.

Btw, no need to attach a link to Graeme Smith's recent interview for my benefit. Two of the worst signings Surrey ever made were him and his wife.

With that, I'm away for a bit. Back as the Champo match in Cider country begins - expect Virdi for that.


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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:45 am

guildfordbat wrote:
Btw, no need to attach a link to Graeme Smith's recent interview for my benefit. Two of the worst signings Surrey ever made were him and his wife.

Lol!  Guildford never was a fan of these BOGOF offers.  Pay a premium price for the first item and you get another one for free!  Have a good break! Very Happy

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:48 am

Several of the Surrey youngsters involved in U19s Eng v India. Sounds like England team having a tough time and will get heavily beaten. Jack did at least score a few runs in the first innings and Virdi took a few (rather expensive) wickets. Not much joy for Patel.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:34 pm

Surprising news that Surrey have re-signed all rounder Rikky Clarke on a two year deal.  Clarke came up through the Surrey youth system and was an important member of the squad for several years before moving away.

Alec Stewart spoke about Clarke as cover for both the Currans - who might be away playing for England at some point, or as part of an all rounder-strong bowling attack including the Currans.

Clarke, age 35, is presumably nearing the end of his career and has had a less than stellar season with a struggling Warks team. My impression (not sure if backed up by stats) was that Clarke's batting had rather fallen away for a season or two now, whereas his bowling had held up better tho he had progressively become more of an economical stock bowler. He is also a very fine slip fielder.

Is this a good signing. I would say probably so - if Surrey are satisfied that the hunger is still there and that there are good prospects of rediscovering something like his best form. It also makes sense to be able to rest one of the Currans occasionally -  at times Surrey have placed a very heavy burden on both of them.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:47 pm

I think it's a decent signing - we do lack all rounder backup for Sam Curran

The cricinfo report mentions that we've offered Sibley a 3 year deal, but he seems set to sign for Warks. I'm not sure why he would do that? He's playing regular championship, one day and T20 games here!!
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Post by James100 on Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:25 pm

https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/sibley-opts-warwickshire-move/

Sibley leaving at the end of the year.

At least it's not mid-season like Ansari and Footit, but it doesn't speak to a well functioning team or to the atmosphere at the club that players are seemingly racing to get out.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:35 pm

James100 wrote:https://www.kiaoval.com/main-news/sibley-opts-warwickshire-move/

Sibley leaving at the end of the year.

At least it's not mid-season like Ansari and Footit, but it doesn't speak to a well functioning team or to the atmosphere at the club that players are seemingly racing to get out.

Seems Sibley has left because he was given assurances he is to bat top 3 in all formats for Warwickshire. I'm glad we didn't match that because he isn't good enough to do that, simply put. That statement is strong from Stewart, clearly not happy to be let down by a kid he's developed and given ample opportunities too.

Personally I think we can do a lot better. But then I've never been a fan of his
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Post by jimbobgooner on Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:37 pm

will he play for surrey again?

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:53 pm

Mixed feelings - disappointing that he wants to leave. After that stellar double century he had a poor run - quite a long one as I recall - but had been doing at least OK / reasonably since then. To be fair, Surrey have given him quite a lot of chances in both cc and limited overs over a period, even when his form was not so good. On the evidence so far it seems fairly unlikely that he would be a star player in a Div 1 side, though he might well hold his own in Div 2.

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Post by Corporalhumblebucket on Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:03 am

I would back Alex Stewart 100% about not offering players guaranteed positions in the line up. There must be at least a dozen Surrey cricketers who have as good, if not better, claim to a guaranteed starting position in the team:

Surrey CCC Director of Cricket, Alec Stewart, said: “Dom was offered a very good three-year contract but has told me the reason he is leaving is that he feels his opportunities at Warwickshire would be greater, given the written assurances he has received that he will be batting in the top three in all forms of the game next year.

“In performance sport, this was not something that I was prepared to do – for him or any of our players – as we will always select the best possible XI for each occasion and it would be wrong to give anyone these guarantees.

“We’ve had numerous conversations with Dom and his advisors over the last eleven months and I’m comfortable in knowing that we could not have done any more in showing how much we wanted him to be a big part of this club.

“We believe we were moving Dom in the right direction and are bitterly disappointed he has chosen to leave us at this stage of his career.”

This season, Sibley has played seven of the eight Specsavers County Championship matches, averaging 33, with no centuries and four fifties. He started four of the ten games played in the Royal London One Day Cup and has so far played every match of the NatWest T20 Blast campaign.

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Post by wisden on Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:06 am

IMO good move for Sibley, will surely open the batting which is where he is best, also i think he will be groomed for captaincy there too, Ian Bell won't go on forever, good move IMO

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:59 am

I miss Sanga
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:10 am

Hearing reports we've offered Morne Morkel a lucrative Kolpak deal...
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:40 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Hearing reports we've offered Morne Morkel a lucrative Kolpak deal...

Thanks for the tip off, Olly. I didn't know anything about that. Your hearing is always very good. Wink

Morkel would be a top player to get but I'm uneasy about signing someone if it means he has to quit Test cricket before his time at the top level is properly up. Hard to comment further without knowing more but cheers again.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:20 am

guildfordbat wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Hearing reports we've offered Morne Morkel a lucrative Kolpak deal...

Thanks for the tip off, Olly. I didn't know anything about that. Your hearing is always very good. Wink

Morkel would be a top player to get but I'm uneasy about signing someone if it means he has to quit Test cricket before his time at the top level is properly up. Hard to comment further without knowing more but cheers again.

I don't think it's a given he will sign a Kolpak deal - but he's considering it. And we're not the only club who's offered him a deal. Would be an amazing signing if we did pull it off!

Finn to Lancs seems on too - a lot of seam bowler movement this winter it seems
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Post by James100 on Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:30 am

Really hoping Morkel doesn't go the Kolpak route. Others to move over have been fringe SA players—Abbot the most high profile—but this would be terrible for South African cricket. They'd be losing their second best Test bowler, probably lowering the bar to the extent that Duane Olivier (a potentially very good player, and one who I like as a prospect!) becomes a first choice test player way before he's ready for it.

Quite apart from that, Surrey seem so keen to recruit from outside that homegrown players never seem to get a chance unless they're instant successes like the Currans. Matt Dunn would have played many more matches than he has at Surrey at pretty much any county, probably excluding Yorkshire.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:16 pm

Not sure about that final comment James - plenty of homegrown players play for Surrey!

Seems Warwickshire have leaped to the front of the pack for Morkel, but there's a report from a respected SA journalist yesterday that Hashim Amla is considering a Kolpak deal from a London club. Just putting two + two together here, but Amla has been very complimentary of his past Oval stint and it's well known we're in the market for a batsman....
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Post by alfie on Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Don't like the sound of all that ! Or the way this seems to be trending...
Kolpak has much to answer for already : but the death of SA Test Cricket would be too high a price to pay.

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Post by guildfordbat on Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:54 pm

alfie wrote:Don't like the sound of all that ! Or the way this seems to be trending...
Kolpak has much to answer for already : but the death of SA Test Cricket would be too high a price to pay.

Alfie - yes, that's where my unease comes from.

To be fair to Surrey CCC, Dobell tweeted this today - ''You won't see Surrey try and persuade a player to go the Kolpak route, either. It works the other way round. Players make approach.''

My standpoint is that much as I want Surrey to win the Championship, our attempts to do so should not contribute to the death (or decline) of Test cricket in South Africa or anywhere else.

I recognise it may be seen as a thin dividing line between a player being enticed to quit Test cricket by an English county and a player knowing if he quits Test cricket he can pick up a lot of money from an English county. I feel that's all part of the Kolpak problem and am unsure there is currently an answer to that.

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