Australia as top heavy as they come and the gamble is falling flat

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Post by Recwatcher16 on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 12:07 pm

A lesson for all - not least in the NH.
When you are at the top of the sporting cycle, everything looks rosy - as it did in Rugby Australia 10 plus years ago but when you have a deep dip in results, if it is anything other than short lived, the financial problems can escalate exponentially. Rugby Australia have already closed down one central team but do not look good financially at all.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-as-top-heavy-as-they-come-and-the-gamble-is-falling-flat-20180413-p4z9es.html

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 12:41 pm

It is reading all the pessimism in the comments section that truly worries me.

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Post by Recwatcher16 on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 2:49 pm

I agree the reader comments should be worrying for the sport as a whole, not that World Rugby would have the vaguest idea or inclination on what is required.

The elite top down structure of the game in the majority of top tier nations has/is corrupting the very nature of sport which is access and participation. The foolish idea that elite success will securely fund the game in the long term is simply wrong.

What point is sport if your top team win things but very few get to participate as potential players and fans are drawn to other activities which have far greater access and excitement with local rivalries etc.

This central control and ownership all started with Oz cricket thirty years ago and copied by SH rugby Unions. NZ have held the line because of success and being a national obsession/barometer of the nation - Aus and SA with far bigger economies and population are, when it comes to rugby union, crumbling - which potentially might mean fewer meaningful Al's in the future.

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Post by Brendan on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 3:19 pm

One of the problems that Australia and New Zealand face is they have to rely on the South African Economy and the Rand. As that has fallen their financial clout has fallen too so they don't have the Superstars as much so less endorsements, branding etc.

Australia's problems seems to be that they are poorly run with no vision. Ask Scotland how that worked for them and how it is working now with better management.

I am not sure if you would consider all of the rest of the Super Rugby countries as top down and all the Pro 14 but they have vibrant community rugby overseen by a hands on union

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Post by Brendan on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 3:37 pm

Irish Model seems to do a lot of the things that the comments are saying AFL is doing. Going to schools professional players working with underage. Clear pathway for kids.

Still think it's bad management. We also need to realise that kids do sports in less numbers so numbers will be down anyway

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Post by PhilBB on Tue 17 Apr 2018, 4:08 pm

The grassroots of rugby were always going to shrink as rugby became a far more physical sport and as societies changed so that individuals have many more choices for their free time.

In Wales, it's seen as "the fault of the WRU" that some community clubs can't raise teams. Is it also the fault of the WRU that male voice choirs are struggling for numbers, that churches are closing, that the mines have shut? No. Society is changing.
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Post by George Carlin on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 6:44 am

In fact, if you gave the money RA spends on Folau and Quade Cooper to community rugby, it would increase grassroots spending by more than 20 per cent, overnight.

Wow.
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Post by Cardiff Dave on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 7:54 am

PhilBB wrote:The grassroots of rugby were always going to shrink as rugby became a far more physical sport and as societies changed so that individuals have many more choices for their free time.

In Wales, it's seen as "the fault of the WRU" that some community clubs can't raise teams. Is it also the fault of the WRU that male voice choirs are struggling for numbers, that churches are closing, that the mines have shut? No. Society is changing.

FUBAR, imo.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 11:35 am

Australia on the decline and falling in to history, whilst USA, and others start to grow in power.

Traditional powers could find themselves being pushed aside by newer rugby nations as it grows through the world.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 11:52 am

PhilBB wrote:The grassroots of rugby were always going to shrink as rugby became a far more physical sport and as societies changed so that individuals have many more choices for their free time.
Fascinating NZ Herald article recently on how Auckland rugby teams are now majority islander and Maori, although they are not the majority population in the city. Previously, teams were white, with an occasional islander.

Main reasons are that Islanders and Maori can often earn better money in professional sport than other routes, so they are attracted to it. Asian families may put their kids in good schools but don't encourage them to send much time on sport. White kids are finding themselves up against islanders who have grown bigger at an earlier age, so they lose interest.
No question, however, that size plays a role in the thinking of white parents, even with the introductions of weight-restricted games. Even Waitemata club secretary Hannah Hollands told the Herald she had serious concerns about her sons playing against athletes "twice their size".

"Physique does play a part. Definitely," says Alatini.

"A lot of kids just don't know how to handle coming up against the big Pacific Island boys.

"It's a big factor for a lot of parents, especially with the awareness around concussion, safety and other injuries."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12029746

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Post by The Oracle on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 1:25 pm

I thought NZ youth club rugby was played/based on size and not on age? Has that changed now?
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Post by Rugby Fan on Wed 18 Apr 2018, 3:02 pm

The Oracle wrote:I thought NZ youth club rugby was played/based on size and not on age?  Has that changed now?
Where it is in place, rules are not enforced strictly enough.

"There is a lot of bitterness around larger kids ruining it for everyone," the parent said. "One particular club is out of control. They regularly play players who are over-age and they regularly play people who are over-weight. And it is bloody dangerous. You see some of these kids and you wince. There has been a whole heap of concussions this year. There is a serious worry that there is going to be a serious injury - and then who is responsible?"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11350120

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