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Post by alfie on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 12:17 pm

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Off goes Rahul...at least he doesn't waste a review ! That was stone dead.
Jimmy on course for ten ?

Rahane in next as Kohli was off the field too long...

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:12 pm

And that should be that. Top bowling from Anderson and Broad.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:15 pm

Jimmy seems to be back in normal form. Not often he's kept out two innings in a row.

Seriously good catch by Ben thumbsup


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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:22 pm

Haven't watched any of England's bowling yet but just seen the score. As I thought would be the case, India's hopes resting on Kohli. However, I didn't expect that to be the case so soon!

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:23 pm

As long as Kohli is there India have hope but it needs a century from him. If he exits for anything less then England win for me.
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:43 pm

Agree Kohli does give India some chance , while he remains in. But it is a tall order from here - as I suspected it would be. All three innings have seen batsmen essentially battling their way rather than cruising ; so to imagine a smooth passage in the fourth innings was a bit of a stretch.

Still a lot depending on Moeen to do his job though. He will doubtless do a lot of bowling and they won't want him - or Rashid - giving away easy runs. The pattern of the match suggests a second new ball will be available before India could get 240 - unless they have a significant period of fast scoring . And that could yet be important , if these two put together a stand.

Stokes doesn't look fully right with the ball at the moment ; but you can see why he's on , with Rahane in...

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:45 pm

Seems an ambitious review on first look... Purely as it is Kohli.

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:48 pm

JDizzle wrote:Seems an ambitious review on first look... Purely as it is Kohli.

Not out. I thought it was outside the line (totally wrong!) but I am not sure there was bat involved, looked like he just smashed his pad?

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:51 pm

Third umpire seemingly unable to tell the difference between Kohli hitting his pad and the ball. Very poor decision. England will be fuming if Kohli now leads India to the win.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:51 pm

Think Wilson may have got that wrong ! I think the "noise" was bat on pad...that would have been out otherwise . Pretty sure that missed the bat.

Wonder if Kohli would have reviewed if that had been given on field ?

Could be a big moment..that would surely have been the match over. England need to keep their cool now...

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 12:54 pm

Kohli would have reviewed on grounds it might have missed leg - and then been very surprised when told he’d hit it!

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:01 pm

Oxenford is a poor umpire and in general aside from Erasmus the quality of umpiring is dreadful

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:02 pm

Busy morning session Smile

England will be happy to have three out ; India relieved these two are still - just about - there.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:03 pm

With regards to the Kohli non dismissal with my below par eyesight there seemed to be a small inside edge

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:03 pm

I believe Kohli would have reviewed on grounds that he's Kohli and India's remaining chance of the win.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:05 pm

it might appear a bit of a doom nd gloom for India as 3 wickets fell quickly...BUT Eng is only one wicket ahead of the par at this moment....

India needs 2 partnerships of 60odd and they are 100 runs from target withh 5 wicket in hand....and count down is on if one of these two is batting until the end

India needs to attack Moeen a bit more after lunch...luck of DRS is also with India
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:52 pm

Aartherton & Nasser are going on and on.....trying to turn the DRS system on its head and make it into something else......now realizing that Kohli decision is water under the bridge
Hope Root & co. are not getting despondent like English commentators in the box
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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:57 pm

England throwing their reviews away, as per usual.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:58 pm

eng's all reviews lost
wow, just wow...how the dice is rolling today Very Happy
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 1:59 pm

Think England are still ahead...they've created several near chances so you'd think one will count eventually. Still the longer these two stay together the more they will be tempted to fret over that decision : I know they shouldn't ; but it's human nature.
And I do not have a ton of faith in Root as a leader in chase situations...he is no Brearley !

Review against Kohli ! Will be UC at best I'm afraid...bang goes Nasser's theory that Buttler is a great judge. In fact - They've even lost that - possibly vital - last review. Bad decision. Shows they are just too focused on Kohli...

Still it is another close call. How many more will India survive ?

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:16 pm

Rashid time.

Had to try him fairly early I guess...but there is always a risk of letting the batsmen off the leash.

Also suggests Root isn't expecting much more from his seamers against the top order. Good start for Rashid , good wrong un ...

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:22 pm

50 partnership, good battling. Whilst Kohli remains, India have hope, but it appears to be just a matter of time before England get another.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:33 pm

there are only 3 ways bowler can get wicket

1) Moeen explodes it off the rough......not easy to pithc in the rough as its too full and often batsmen are able to convert his attempt to half voley

2) one scoots from the seamer like broad to Rahul....that's pure luck...for that one accurate seamer should be bowling from one end

3) reverse......for that too one seamer should be bowling at 85mph pace
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:43 pm

KP_fan wrote:there are only 3 ways bowler can get wicket

1) Moeen explodes it off the rough......not easy to pithc in the rough as its too full and often batsmen are able to convert his attempt to half voley

2) one scoots from the seamer like broad to Rahul....that's pure luck...for that one accurate seamer should be bowling from one end

3) reverse......for that too one seamer should be bowling at 85mph pace

Or maybe the next one that spins in to hit the pad will be in line ? I get what you're saying ; but that's a bit too sweeping a statement. There have been a fair number of tight decisions already and this game looks like it will take a while to reach a conclusion.

Good hour for India , that was. This game still wide open.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:46 pm

As if those are the only three possibilities, what a ridiculous post. Run out? Silly reverse sweep? Ridiculous drive first up? All seen so far in this match, pressure can tell and lead to any kind of mistake

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:46 pm

and on this pitch I do expect Pant, Pandya and ashwin to get 20s and 30s
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:55 pm

VTR wrote:As if those are the only three possibilities, what a ridiculous post. Run out? Silly reverse sweep? Ridiculous drive first up? All seen so far in this match, pressure can tell and lead to any kind of mistake

Ah but only England seem to donate silly run outs...

Doubt either of these batsmen will throw it away. But once one of them goes I suspect we will see a different game.

Question of course is how long it will take England to break this stand. They'll be starting to get a bit anxious if these two are still together at tea...

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 2:57 pm

India have won this. No way England win from here.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:04 pm

less that 150 needed
If India add another 50 losing not more than 1 wickets...then it's less than 100 with 6 wickets in hand...and then Ind ia bot ahead

if they have even 5 and less than 100 needed then we are in the lottery zone
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:05 pm

VTR wrote:As if those are the only three possibilities, what a ridiculous post. Run out? Silly reverse sweep? Ridiculous drive first up? All seen so far in this match, pressure can tell and lead to any kind of mistake

I meant the ones where Bowler will earn a wicket and batsman can do notohing about......off-course if batsman errs he can give away wicket in any of the ways
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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:08 pm

OK, see what you mean. This game seems to be turning India's way now, damn that blind third umpire as these was all over if that had been given!

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:10 pm

India really working to survive this Anderson spell ...he's getting reverse and has beaten both edges - but no result . Yet.

Moeen back at other end. Good. But I hope Root doesn't neglect Curran and Stokes. Explore all the options...though Moeen has looked the most likely.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:11 pm

they should be careful not be playing across the line anderson......he's getting a shade of reverse in......present a dead straight bat
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:18 pm

if India see-off anderson now.....without losing a wicket......we have won a minor battle
and then the next andersonn challenge will be negotiating the new ball..
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:19 pm

Kohli using all his skill ...impressive.

But it is beyond me how Anderson hasn't had his wicket in this series : he has beaten him with some wicked deliveries at times...like that last over. Just cannot quite find the edge...

Game is moving India's way , much to my surprise. I'd have thought something would give by now ; but the ball is getting older and softer now . A wicket will change everything , of course.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:24 pm

Holding thinks the game will be over tonight. I'm not so sure about that.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:30 pm

I think it will end today. India take the extra half hour to knock off the last few runs

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm

Gloved to short leg ! Kohli gone ...

Mo does the trick clap

Half way to the runs ...but the Big Man gone...

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Post by Hoggy_Bear on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm

Kohli gone. Too little too late for England, I'm afraid

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm

OK maybe not, game back in the balance

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:34 pm

Mo gets Kohli and they go from 13/8 in the betting to 1/2.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:36 pm

India need a 20 to 30 run partnership now
don't give two wickets in a row
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:44 pm

guildfordbat wrote:Holding thinks the game will be over tonight. I'm not so sure about that.

I doubt it. Scoring too slow ... and unlikely to get bowled out unless there's a clatter. Think we could be back tomorrow for a tense last half hour or so...with a new ball taken late tonight ?

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:47 pm

excellent session for India...lots only one wicket
now India need to not give away 2 wickets quickly.....small 20-30 run partnerships will keep them in the game
evevn with 9 wickts down its possible to get 20 for the laxt wicket
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 3:49 pm

England went warm favourites with Kohli's wicket. Cracking test match this. This series reminds me a lot of the 2005 Ashes series.
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:01 pm

KP_fan wrote:excellent session for India...lots only one wicket
now India need to not give away 2 wickets quickly.....small 20-30 run partnerships will keep them in the game
evevn with 9 wickts down its possible to get  20 for the laxt wicket

I'm not so sure it was an excellent session for India. They did well - very well, in fact - but the loss of Kohli turns things significantly.

Sure, an India victory remains possible but it seems rather desperate to be looking for 20 runs from a 10th wicket partnership to seal the deal. As said before, the 46 that Pujara and Bumrah put on for the last wicket first dig has gone a massive way to making this an incredibly tight contest - I feel you're pushing your luck too much to look for anything like even half that amount second time around.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:04 pm

Hardik gone ...

England heavy favourites now. Fine catch Root thumbsup

Should never be out of slips !

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:07 pm

this is what India did not want.......2 quick wickets
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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:08 pm

alfie wrote:Hardik gone ...

England heavy favourites now. Fine catch Root thumbsup

Should never be out of slips !

Alfie - I was just about to say I recalled you posting before my hols that Root should always be at slip. Very good catch.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:15 pm

Pant on the attack ! Contrast with the first innings...

Probably sensible ? But how long will he get away with it ? Rahane looks solid ; but he will need help. Really only Ashwin left to come.

I'm not going to get much sleep , am I ?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:20 pm

Don’t agree with pushing the field back for Pant after one shot - make him do it two/three times, don’t just gift him rhns
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