Glasgow and Edinburgh ongoing banter thread 24 - Covid funtimes

by **RDW** Mon 20 Apr 2020, 12:10 am

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https://www.606v2.com/t69038p1050-glasgow-and-edinburgh-banter-thread-no-23-new-season-new-thread

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by EST Tue 26 May 2020, 1:45 pm

Sensible move for all parties really, good luck to DR in OZ.

Hope we get a few transfers confirmed now that Wilson is officially in post.

by tigertattie Tue 26 May 2020, 3:57 pm

BigGee wrote:In the format that is being suggested, it seems almost impossible for us to go into the playoffs

Our two games v the Luvies should be a decent pre season hit out for us and then we might get a few weeks off to fine tune foe the start of next season.

quite right. It was completely unfair to base Glasgow's possible playoff place on them failing to get any points, as usual, from the actual rugby club in Scotland.

by **RDW** Tue 26 May 2020, 11:19 pm

Hope Rennie is looking forward to spending 14 days in a hotel when he gets here (although in truth he's probably already been here for weeks)

by jimbopip Wed 27 May 2020, 9:18 am

tigertattie wrote:
BigGee wrote:In the format that is being suggested, it seems almost impossible for us to go into the playoffs

Our two games v the Luvies should be a decent pre season hit out for us and then we might get a few weeks off to fine tune foe the start of next season.

quite right. It was completely unfair to base Glasgow's possible playoff place on them failing to get any points, as usual, from the actual rugby club in Scotland.

Oh Baldrick, you're as funny as those people who pretend to laugh at Shakespeare's comedies.

by jimbopip Wed 27 May 2020, 9:19 am

RDW wrote:Hope Rennie is looking forward to spending 14 days in a hotel when he gets here (although in truth he's probably already been here for weeks)

Set up a video link and he can while away the hours watching you finish your push ups.

by **RDW** Wed 27 May 2020, 12:33 pm

jimbopip wrote:
RDW wrote:Hope Rennie is looking forward to spending 14 days in a hotel when he gets here (although in truth he's probably already been here for weeks)

Set up a video link and he can while away the hours watching you finish your push ups.

232 due tomorrow Shocked

by funnyExiledScot Wed 27 May 2020, 1:34 pm

jimbopip wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
BigGee wrote:In the format that is being suggested, it seems almost impossible for us to go into the playoffs

Our two games v the Luvies should be a decent pre season hit out for us and then we might get a few weeks off to fine tune foe the start of next season.

quite right. It was completely unfair to base Glasgow's possible playoff place on them failing to get any points, as usual, from the actual rugby club in Scotland.

Oh Baldrick, you're as funny as those people who pretend to laugh at Shakespeare's comedies.

I find those people very funny. The Shakespeare comedies on the other hand......

by tigertattie Thu 28 May 2020, 4:09 pm

So. When is the first Edinburgh gubbing of the unwashed? Wee Nicky has said we're allowed out to play so lets get it on!

Hopefully folk just feckin take things easy!

by funnyExiledScot Thu 28 May 2020, 6:58 pm

Well, there would have been no issues in the last game asking DTH to stay 2 metres away from D'Arcy Graham....

by **RDW** Thu 28 May 2020, 11:05 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Well, there would have been no issues in the last game asking DTH to stay 2 metres away from D'Arcy Graham....

I suspect that was the moment he knew he had to retire.

by **BigGee** Fri 29 May 2020, 5:46 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52852285

A little farewell interview with DR as he ends his last week in charge and prepares to get on the plane.

All very positive, yet diplomatic. I wonder if we might here a bit more after he has settled in down under and has a bit of distance between us. It would be good to hear the warts and all version at some stage.

He said much the same sort of stuff on the Glasgow warriors Podcast this week, only giving a little hint about what he thought about FR, suggesting he might need to consider his lifestyle issues if he wanted to be a truly great international FH. That was about as controversial as it got.

by jimbopip Fri 29 May 2020, 8:00 pm

Gee, so the interview was good as far as it went but left you feeling it could have been a bit better?
Quite a fitting end to his tenure then.

by **BigGee** Fri 29 May 2020, 8:26 pm

Yes, that probably sums up DRs tenure at Scotstoun quite well

by **BigGee** Fri 29 May 2020, 10:58 pm

https://www.theoffsideline.com/dave-rennie-signs-off/?v=79cba1185463

and some more goodbye stuff from Dave Rennie on TOL

Suggests A team fixtures as a way of getting Academy and fringe players more game time, maybe there is something in that.

by Welly Sat 30 May 2020, 10:31 am

I've always wanted a British A league.
Never going to happen but 18 A teams each team plays each other once, rotating yearly home or away similar to the old Super rugby.

Allow clubs to own their own rights to broadcast there home games, Clubs could decide to stream for free, maybe use a streaming service like twitch or something or create a club gamepass system where people pay to watch per game or whole season have it bundled with memberships and season tickets etc, add in maybe academy games to add more value.

by jimbopip Sat 30 May 2020, 1:20 pm

Welly

Let's have no more of that "constructive sensible thinking", you'll only upset tigertattie.

No, not here, not today thankyou.

by bsando Sun 31 May 2020, 7:37 pm

On Rennie leaving (just listening to the Glasgow podcast) do you think his decision to make Wilson and Gibbins co-captains was one of his best decisions as head coach? It was interesting to hear Rennie say some people at the SRU were nervous about Wilson being made captain with is history, but he has become a pretty decent leader for Glasgow now.

by funnyExiledScot Mon 01 Jun 2020, 5:13 pm

Wilson is clearly hugely popular in the Glasgow squad and a "character", and I suspect there were two thoughts in giving him a formal leadership role: (i) it could be the making of him and curb his lack of discipline making him set an example to others (e.g. Dylan Hartley), and (2) Wilson is a long serving player and provides continuity, rather than the sole captain being a relative newcomer (i.e. coach appoints one of his own).

I've long been critical of Wilson, but only on the international scene. Clubs need guys like him, and he's made an important contribution to Glasgow's golden era.

by **BigGee** Tue 02 Jun 2020, 9:31 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-61Duy15mYw&feature=youtu.be

I know you tube highlight reels don't tell the whole story, but that Connor Boyle really does look like some player in the making!

Looking forward to watching his progress.

by **RDW** Tue 02 Jun 2020, 9:37 am

Looks similar to Watson - not the biggest but incredibly strong.

Is he at Edinburgh? He'd probably be Glasgow's first choice 7 just now!

by **BigGee** Tue 02 Jun 2020, 9:46 am

RDW wrote:Looks similar to Watson - not the biggest but incredibly strong.

Is he at Edinburgh? He'd probably be Glasgow's first choice 7 just now!

He and Darge are very similar players, both out and out 7s really and both extremely promising. They are both currently aligned to Edinburgh and Cockers has hinted that both will get full contracts sometime soon.

That seems a bit bonkers from a Scottish Rugby point of view, for them both to develop, then surely one needs to go to each team. Then again, when does common sense ever come into this sort of thinking?

by **BigGee** Tue 02 Jun 2020, 7:38 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52896184

JB does not sound to happy about his career fading away in the way it has.

Unfortunately for him, I don't really see any great options for him at his age and with his recent injury record, certainly not in the current economic climate.

by funnyExiledScot Tue 02 Jun 2020, 10:13 pm

BigGee wrote:
RDW wrote:Looks similar to Watson - not the biggest but incredibly strong.

Is he at Edinburgh? He'd probably be Glasgow's first choice 7 just now!

He and Darge are very similar players, both out and out 7s really and both extremely promising. They are both currently aligned to Edinburgh and Cockers has hinted that both will get full contracts sometime soon.

That seems a bit bonkers from a Scottish Rugby point of view, for them both to develop, then surely one needs to go to each team. Then again, when does common sense ever come into this sort of thinking?

Agree that it's odd. With Watson, Ritchie and Crosbie all very good and established players and able to play 7, I'm not sure us getting both youngsters makes sense.

Maybe we can trade one for George Horne....

With Gibbons gone what are the 7 options at Glasgow? Gordon and Fusaro?

by funnyExiledScot Tue 02 Jun 2020, 10:14 pm

BigGee wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52896184

JB does not sound to happy about his career fading away in the way it has.

Unfortunately for him, I don't really see any great options for him at his age and with his recent injury record, certainly not in the current economic climate.

You've got to feel sorry for JB and other players in his situation. He has probably played his last pro game.

London Scottish?

by Hazel Sapling Wed 03 Jun 2020, 9:25 am

Crosbie has been played as a tall openside (6'5), but maybe they see his future as more of a 6.5 in the Robshaw mould. Ritchie is playing at blindside for Scotland and this could also be a push to keep him at blindside.

Overall though, Crosbie would make a great addition for Glasgow. Better for Scotland if he starts for Glasgow than being on the bench or out of the starting 23 at Edinburgh

by **RDW** Wed 03 Jun 2020, 9:27 am

Crosbie to Glasgow would make a lot of sense. He's primed and ready to be a regular starter now but will be nowhere near that at Edinburgh.

by **BigGee** Wed 03 Jun 2020, 9:44 am

I would imagine that Edinburgh msybe see Watson moving on at the end of this contract, he may well be looking to max his earnings at that point as well.

Even with that prospect, if they have Darge, Boyle and Crosbie, they are over stocked with top rated 7s.

Glasgow are going to have the same issue wirh SHs if Dobie turns out to be as good as we think he will be.

There may well be some East West movement on the horizon, but not sure it will happen this season. Wilson needs to get his feet under the table and start putting his influence on these decesions just like Cockers has.

by tigertattie Wed 03 Jun 2020, 9:47 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
BigGee wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52896184

JB does not sound to happy about his career fading away in the way it has.

Unfortunately for him, I don't really see any great options for him at his age and with his recent injury record, certainly not in the current economic climate.

You've got to feel sorry for JB and other players in his situation. He has probably played his last pro game.

London Scottish?

I'm not so sure. I think he could pick up a year or even two year contract with a decent club. He'd just need to accept he probbly wont be on huge money. He could also look to be in a player/coach position where most of his work is coaching but he's ready to fill in should injury/international games take out the clubs sitting player?

Crikey even Scarletts and Glasgow would take him. He can play across the backrow (7 maybe a push now with his aging legs) but he's still a very good player.

by formerly known as Sam Wed 03 Jun 2020, 10:08 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
BigGee wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52896184

JB does not sound to happy about his career fading away in the way it has.

Unfortunately for him, I don't really see any great options for him at his age and with his recent injury record, certainly not in the current economic climate.

You've got to feel sorry for JB and other players in his situation. He has probably played his last pro game.

London Scottish?

Most of the Championship will be semi pro next season. It's not quite the attractive option it used to be since the pandemic and the RFU have set out to destroy the financial viability.

by **NeilyBroon** Wed 03 Jun 2020, 11:07 am

BigGee wrote:I would imagine that Edinburgh msybe see Watson moving on at the end of this contract, he may well be looking to max his earnings at that point as well.

Even with that prospect, if they have Darge, Boyle and Crosbie, they are over stocked with top rated 7s.

Glasgow are going to have the same issue wirh SHs if Dobie turns out to be as good as we think he will be.

There may well be some East West movement on the horizon, but not sure it will happen this season. Wilson needs to get his feet under the table and start putting his influence on these decesions just like Cockers has.

Crosbie has been around for a while though and for me has made an impression in most games he's played for Edinburgh. It's just hard when you're up against Ritchie, Bradbury and Watson most weeks, not to mention the rest. He's very much in danger of becoming Roddy Grant MKII in my opinion except not even breaking through at club.

Crosbie should be moved to replace Gibbins, but should be used as a 6 or should be seeking a move South to get more gametime. Perhaps Cockers can use his premiership links again? He's too good a player to be wasted in the squad.

by **RDW** Wed 03 Jun 2020, 11:10 am

Crosbie has a good role model in Jamie Ritchie - they've got similar body shapes and abilities. Ritchie is probably more of a grafter with Crosbie more dangerous on the ball, but they are quite similar players.

by tigertattie Wed 03 Jun 2020, 11:10 am

Hmmm

"The Scrum" are saying Humphreys is leaving Gloucester and Cockers is tipped as his replacement.

I'm hoping its just a slow news day and they are looking for clicks!!! Cockers has said how much he likes it here and how hes looking to build a long term club!

by **RDW** Wed 03 Jun 2020, 11:11 am

Gloucester are a bit of a basket case behind the scenes to take on just now - that combined with him being settled at Edinburgh means I can't see him going.

There will always be big jobs available in the premiership.

by formerly known as Sam Wed 03 Jun 2020, 11:19 am

Rumours about in Gloucester include Humphreys opting to walk because the board refused to go after his selected targets and Cips calling Shaun Edwards to see if he was interested. Basket case is about right. I can't see Cockers heading that way, he had the option to stay at Toulon but chose to honour his contract at Edinburgh.

by jimbopip Thu 04 Jun 2020, 10:48 am

Glasgow Warriors end of season awards Shocked

contains more surprises than Theresa May's naughty knicker drawer.

Young Player...The House Elf

Coaches Award... Giant Red Crayon

Al Kellock Leadership Award... The Man Who Plays With The Bat Sign Drawn On His Wrist Strapping. Laugh

:

by tigertattie Fri 05 Jun 2020, 9:37 am

Ahhh yes, Al Kellock. A player who once played for Glasgow when they were a good side (though they still couldn't beat Edinburgh)

A good club player, a bang average international player, a truely shocking pundit.

by funnyExiledScot Fri 05 Jun 2020, 10:39 pm

There isn't actually an Al Kellock Leadership Award??! Seriously??

by jimbopip Sat 06 Jun 2020, 10:38 am

There most certainly is thumbsup

And the man with the Batsign is a true leader.

On a tangential note....
I wandered into the study the other day to find MrsPip looking on the interweb at properties in the west of Scotland. (Her restraining order having expired recently). She was playing the ,"Do you realise what we could buy if we sold up and moved back?" game beloved of exiles in the south east.
The screen was awash with large dwellings enjoying sea views, Lochside locations or rolling glens on their doorsteps. A couple, I swear, had all three .

A wrestled the mouse from her hand and scrolled through before finding the perfect abode. Cool

"Why? It has no land. It has no view. It's smaller than our house at present. It's a mid terrace, tiny garden, no off street parking in a heavily built up area ordinary house. WHY???"

"Look at the map darling....it's five minutes walk from Scotstoun Stadium." Yahoo

I don't think she'll allow me to make an over the asking price offer. Crying or Very sad

Sometimes I just don't understand her.

by **BigGee** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 10:05 pm

https://www.theoffsideline.com/edinburgh-sign-andrew-davidson-glasgow/?v=79cba1185463

Edinburgh still pillaging Glasgow's resources!

Anyone going West in return?

by **NeilyBroon** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 10:12 pm

The mind boggles as to the sense of this move! Edinburgh have Toolis, Gilchrist, Carmichael, hunter hill is still on loan, and a couple of others. Glasgow have Gray Sr, Cummings, Harley and McDonald covering. Potentially 2 of which could be on international duty and one of those having a history of injury.

Whether this is overcompensating for the past neglect of Edinburgh I don't know but whoever is orchestrating these moves at the SRU seems very short sighted. It feels a bit like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

by **RDW** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 11:02 pm

https://www.606v2.com/t69578-3046-push-ups-for-3046-lives-lost-to-suicide#3907981

Thanks to everyone who supported my pushup challenge - I finished last weekend and there's a video posted on the above thread of my final 5 (in a scenic location, of course).

by **BigGee** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 11:26 pm

Link not working

But well done in any case, good effort for a worthy cause

by **RDW** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 11:28 pm

It's the same one you've seen on Twitter!

by **RDW** Mon 08 Jun 2020, 11:31 pm

BigGee wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/edinburgh-sign-andrew-davidson-glasgow/?v=79cba1185463

Edinburgh still pillaging Glasgow's resources!

Anyone going West in return?

Given that Edinburgh have lost Murray Douglas plus a couple of short term loans, on the face of it we had a lock position to fill so this makes sense.

From an SRU perspective I really hope Glasgow have a plethora of signings to come or else it really is strange.

by **BigGee** Tue 09 Jun 2020, 7:44 am

You can only hope/imagine that this does indeed mean that Naka has resigned. It makes very little sense otherwise.

I still feel there would have been room for Sykes at Glasgow as well and he would likely have got some game time.

by EST Tue 09 Jun 2020, 9:16 am

Is Sykes confirmed as moving east? That's a real blow to Glasgow if true, they lost out to Leicester for Cameron Henderson and now maybe Sykes to Edinburgh - two very promising academy second rows gone in one summer.

As per with the SRU, there seems to be the standard absence of joined up thinking around recruitment.

by **RDW** Tue 09 Jun 2020, 9:40 am

Past experience has taught us to hold off judgement until all recruitment is done, but Glasgow have a lot of catching up to do!

by EST Tue 09 Jun 2020, 9:48 am

Yeah, if Nakawara and McDonald sign on then we are in decent enough shape...but still leaves Glasgow short a young backup and Edinburgh potentially having two in Hodgson (who i think is still on the books) and Sykes.

That's before we start on the backrow stockpiling....Darge, Boyle & Muncaster? Doesn't make much sense for all three to be at one club, from either the player or the SRU's perspective.

by **NeilyBroon** Tue 09 Jun 2020, 10:04 am

EST wrote:Yeah, if Nakawara and McDonald sign on then we are in decent enough shape...but still leaves Glasgow short a young backup and Edinburgh potentially having two in Hodgson (who i think is still on the books) and Sykes.

That's before we start on the backrow stockpiling....Darge, Boyle & Muncaster? Doesn't make much sense for all three to be at one club, from either the player or the SRU's perspective.

It seems to me the SRU's strategy is to throw every resource at the team who looks more likely to win something at the present time. A few years ago that was Glasgow who were very stacked in the backs and had a massive squad with lots of replacements who then went on to win the Pro12. Mission accomplished. When they realised Glasgow weren't getting further success in Europe etc they began to wind down the support to resuscitate an Edinburgh side who had been poorly coached by Bradley and Solomons, with good potential but unfulfilled. Now they look like they're putting Glasgow back where Edinburgh were and trying to get Edinburgh to win the pro14.

So my question is when will they have to send in the help to Glasgow after all this stripping back? Hardly a way to reward fans and keep attracting them. Dave Rennies era was a bit meh but all things considered he did amazingly well with a stripped squad. I suspect we'll see a few moves south at the end of next season. Hastings is well respected for a young player and already has premiership links, Horne Jr could get a contract at most clubs imo, Fagerson Sr must be looking more attractive to scouts now, with decent tightheads being such a rarity. There is a real risk of a Glasgow exodus, the players are hardly going to want to keep playing in a club that's on the wane. To keep playing at such a high standard will be impossible if people keep getting dropped and not replaced. It'll be a mixture of club vets and the kiddies soon.

Short sighted is putting it lightly.

by EST Tue 09 Jun 2020, 10:13 am

NeilyBroon wrote:
EST wrote:Yeah, if Nakawara and McDonald sign on then we are in decent enough shape...but still leaves Glasgow short a young backup and Edinburgh potentially having two in Hodgson (who i think is still on the books) and Sykes.

That's before we start on the backrow stockpiling....Darge, Boyle & Muncaster? Doesn't make much sense for all three to be at one club, from either the player or the SRU's perspective.

It seems to me the SRU's strategy is to throw every resource at the team who looks more likely to win something at the present time. A few years ago that was Glasgow who were very stacked in the backs and had a massive squad with lots of replacements who then went on to win the Pro14. Mission accomplished. When they realised Glasgow weren't getting further success in Europe etc they began to wind down the support to resuscitate an Edinburgh side who had been poorly coached by Bradley and Solomons, with good potential but unfulfilled. Now they look like they're putting Glasgow back where Edinburgh were and trying to get Edinburgh to win the pro14. So my question is when will they have to send in the help to Glasgow after all this stripping back? Hardly a way to reward fans and keep attracting them. Dave Rennies era was a bit meh but all things considered he did amazingly well with a stripped squad.

Short sighted is putting it lightly.

I think some of the blame can be put on the relative success of some signings and also the contract cycle in place at each club, i.e in some years it may look like recruitment is focused at one club but that's in part due to the nature of when players are coming in and out of contract. All that being said, I agree that there never seems to be an obvious strategy at play, especially in terms of younger players and their allocation into pro contracts. Sykes being a prime case in point...Glasgow Academy + trains with the club + Glasgow need a young lock + Edinburgh already having a young backup.... should not = move to Edinburgh. Maybe Cockers is such a forceful personality that he just gets what he wants more often than not? Hopefully Mallinder can get a grip of this in the future, but who knows.

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