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Post by GPB Mon 03 Aug 2020, 1:53 pm

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1. Last week:  Justin Thomas overcame a 4 shot deficit to win the WGC-FEDEX St Jude by three shots over a four players of Tom Lewis, Daniel Berger, Phil Mickelson and Brooks Koepka   Richie Werenski won the Barracuda event, by one point over Troy Merritt.

2. After he won the Memorial, Jon Rahm took the #1 OWGR ranking from Rory, and now after winning the FEDEX, Justin Thomas took the #1 spot.  

3. This week is the PGA Championship, with most of the OWGR Top 100 players in the field.  The tournament venue is at Harding Park, which has hosted two WGC tournaments in the last 20 years.  Here are some finishes by players in this years field:  Woods (1), Garcia (3), Stenson (3), GMac (6), Furyk (15)Poulter (18), Mickelson (29), Scott (29), ZJohnson (43),  The Match play was played at Harding Park in 2015, won by Rory, beating Woodland in finals.  Players advancing to the Round of 16, include Willett, Furyk, Casey, Oosty, Fleetwood, Fowler, Hideki, and Leishman.

4. Only two more tournaments to qualify for the FEDEX playoffs, some notable players that are currently inside the Top 125, but probably have not clinched a spot in the Northern Trust (Tom Lewis (#117), Russell Knox (#120,  Paul Casey (#121), Charl Schwartzel (#123).  Some players just barely outside the Top 125 include Nick Watney, Zach Johnson, Matt Wallace, Shane Lowry, RCB, Sergio, and Justin Rose. Some players that need a big week to get inside the Top 125 include Willett, Dufner, Power, Walker, Stenson

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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 12:49 pm

You must have a better memory than DJ, because apparently he forget that he had played the course before.

He initially thought he had never played it then someone reminded him he had played a sponsor event there.
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Post by Shotrock Thu 17 Sep 2020, 12:53 pm

Well, I inhaled for sure, but perhaps not as much as DJ!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 17 Sep 2020, 12:59 pm

McLaren wrote:I am quite excite about a US open at winged foot, but the lack of chat on here this week suggests I might be alone in thinking that.

Also looking forward to it - and it being on at a more reasonable hour than the PGA Championship. Quite fancy Thomas to rectify his relatively poor major record this week
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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 1:01 pm

I can sometimes remember the shots I played on a great course years afterwards, it is hard to fathom actually forgetting that you have played one. I doubt DJ is a Tillinghast aficionado.
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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 1:02 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
McLaren wrote:I am quite excite about a US open at winged foot, but the lack of chat on here this week suggests I might be alone in thinking that.

Also looking forward to it - and it being on at a more reasonable hour than the PGA Championship. Quite fancy Thomas to rectify his relatively poor major record this week

JT has looked pretty wayward off the tee this summer, especially when he perseveres with hitting his 3 wood. Which actually seems more unreliable than his driver. Is that a recipe for US Open success?
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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 17 Sep 2020, 2:59 pm

Anyone else tried the USGA app? Scoring doesn't work for me.

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Post by Shotrock Thu 17 Sep 2020, 3:06 pm

I have not ... but full day live TV coverage here in the US. Really nice start by Rory.

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 17 Sep 2020, 3:14 pm

I'm good Shotrock. Sky are doing their stuff. Is it anything like when you played it?

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Post by Shotrock Thu 17 Sep 2020, 3:25 pm

It's A LOT harder for sure, but no major differences to the holes. That rough is almost like a water hazard.

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 17 Sep 2020, 3:44 pm

Andrew Coltart mentioned Patrick Reeds hole in one and going to buy his friends a drink in the bar. McGinley says "Huh" as if to say What friends.

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Post by beninho Thu 17 Sep 2020, 4:22 pm

-4? This is already awful. I'm only looking at scores. I want carnage.

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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 6:39 pm

McLaren wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
McLaren wrote:I am quite excite about a US open at winged foot, but the lack of chat on here this week suggests I might be alone in thinking that.

Also looking forward to it - and it being on at a more reasonable hour than the PGA Championship. Quite fancy Thomas to rectify his relatively poor major record this week

JT has looked pretty wayward off the tee this summer, especially when he perseveres with hitting his 3 wood. Which actually seems more unreliable than his driver. Is that a recipe for US Open success?

Yes. Doh
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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 6:48 pm

I take that last comment back, I have just put the coverage on. JT's game probably isn't currently suited to a US open but this is not a US Open. USGA have chickened out and given us a regular PGAT event.
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Post by Shotrock Thu 17 Sep 2020, 7:50 pm

Cream already rising to the top with JT and Rory ... but it's early days!

Mac - I do like this (IMO of course) fairer test of golf.

Look for pin positions and green speeds to get faster however.

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Post by McLaren Thu 17 Sep 2020, 8:10 pm

I wanted carnage. Get the subair cranked up to 11.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 18 Sep 2020, 1:10 am

Kinda agree with Mac - this is hyped as the toughest test in golf and they’ve just had a round that looked like a slightly tough PGA tour round. At least if it’s tough for all four rounds it evens itself out a bit with the “bounce of the ball” and “luck”, as these things do over a larger sample size

Hopefully it does get a lot tougher, but that was a pretty underwhelming start to round 1
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Post by I'm never wrong Fri 18 Sep 2020, 7:08 am

beninho wrote:-4? This is already awful. I'm only looking at scores. I want carnage.
mclaren wrote:I wanted carnage. Get the subair cranked up to 11.


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Post by I'm never wrong Fri 18 Sep 2020, 7:09 am

Shotrock wrote:Look for pin positions and green speeds to get faster however.

I agree with you Shotrock, but I wonder if they will overdo it and make it a farce as they have done previously?

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Post by McLaren Fri 18 Sep 2020, 10:40 am

Maybe total carnage isn't required but the greens should have been firm at a bare minimum. Really it is about variety, and we see soft receptive greens almost every week on the PGAT. I don't care what the score is but I want to see the players forced to confront a certain type of golf.

If the USGA feel it is a choice between lethal greens or thick rough, I vote lethal greens with more playable rough.
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Post by pedro Fri 18 Sep 2020, 10:41 am

If you miss the FW you should fight for your par. Whether it being thick rough or fast greens I don't care.

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Post by TM2K Fri 18 Sep 2020, 11:01 am

McLaren wrote:I can sometimes remember the shots I played on a great course years afterwards, it is hard to fathom actually forgetting that you have played one. I doubt DJ is a Tillinghast aficionado.

Do you not think it’s more to do with the amount of great courses they play? Obviously they’re going to remember the majors but can you imagine how many sponsors events they must play?


I take it you are fan of Tillinghast designs then Mac? Have you played many?

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Post by McLaren Fri 18 Sep 2020, 11:22 am

No, never played a Tillie course. My experience of North American golf is pretty limited.


On DJ, I bet even most pros mentally tick off top 100 courses they have played.
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Post by TM2K Fri 18 Sep 2020, 12:52 pm

Do you reckon? I’d think they’d most likely have played most of them bar going overseas...the UK courses would probably be more pertinent to a US player and vice versa. Especially if they’ve played amateur golf to a high standard

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 18 Sep 2020, 1:12 pm

The Westwood collapse at a major started early today
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Post by pedro Fri 18 Sep 2020, 2:48 pm

It more looks like a carnage...

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Post by pedro Fri 18 Sep 2020, 2:50 pm

Afaik there’s 10 top 100 courses around NYC. And since he’s probably been stoned you can’t blame him.

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Post by navyblueshorts Fri 18 Sep 2020, 4:33 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:The Westwood collapse at a major started early today
Perhaps judge when everyone else has completed today's rounds?
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Post by TM2K Fri 18 Sep 2020, 4:39 pm

pedro wrote:Afaik there’s 10 top 100 courses around NYC. And since he’s probably been stoned you can’t blame him.

At least...Long Island alone has loads of courses you’d have heard of. Plus DJ probably has a connection for quality produce and the delightful Paulina to distract him...

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Post by TM2K Fri 18 Sep 2020, 9:34 pm

Anyone else thinking that Westwood’s round is starting to look better as the day goes on??

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Post by Duty281 Sat 19 Sep 2020, 11:10 am

After a simple first round, we've got the carnage that was due. Looks like the winner will, at best, end up with one or two under par. Narrowly favouring Jon Rahm to win it from this position, but it's going to be so tightly contested. The wheels should come off for DeChambeau at some point today.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 19 Sep 2020, 11:50 am

TM2K wrote:Anyone else thinking that Westwood’s round is starting to look better as the day goes on??

Might just be me, but +6 in the best conditions of the day is not good.

Expecting the wheels to continue to fall off today.

Still fancy Thomas, although with the way Reed is putting and around the greens if he actually hits it on the short stuff he could pull away...
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Post by Shotrock Sat 19 Sep 2020, 12:36 pm

Well, scoring much higher on Friday and I don't expect things to get any easier. Seems like everyone, except BDC, is concerned about getting their drive into the fairway. Anyone's guess who raises the trophy on Sunday. Certainly no clear favorite.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 19 Sep 2020, 1:26 pm

Not sure that’s true about Bryson - he’s hitting 50% of fairways so far, compared to the average of 40% for the field. In fact the most accurate driver, Joel Dahmen, missed the cut.

I’m not expecting him to go away today.
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Post by Shotrock Sun 20 Sep 2020, 1:24 am

Well, both BDC and Wolff didn't hit very many fairways but they are sitting 1 and 2. Not sure that strategy will work again tomorrow. Given that, beware Louis or Xander. And Rory at +1 can get it going like no other. Should be a lot of fun tomorrow.

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Post by beninho Sun 20 Sep 2020, 9:12 pm

Golfers you wouldn't want a beer with. BDC, Harris English. Reed. Webb.

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Post by beninho Sun 20 Sep 2020, 9:41 pm

Bryony is good. He smashes it miles and gets the scores. But, holy fick he's slow.

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Post by pedro Sun 20 Sep 2020, 10:37 pm

beninho wrote:Golfers you wouldn't want a beer with. BDC, Harris English. Reed. Webb.
English looks like he hates every bit of it.
Not sure Webb drinks beer, and certainly not on Sundays.


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Post by Guest Sun 20 Sep 2020, 10:39 pm

Question regarding Rory McIlroy, what’s the deal with him and not winning majors in recent times? His talent doesn’t really justify 6 years without a major imo.

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Post by beninho Sun 20 Sep 2020, 10:48 pm

Jeff Navarro wrote:Question regarding Rory McIlroy, what’s the deal with him and not winning majors in recent times? His talent doesn’t really justify 6 years without a major imo.

My view, I don't think he has the same drive as some others. Brilliant player though. Has a record right up with the best ever.

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Post by beninho Sun 20 Sep 2020, 10:55 pm

pedro wrote:
beninho wrote:Golfers you wouldn't want a beer with. BDC, Harris English. Reed. Webb.
English looks like he hates every bit of it.
Not sure Webb drinks beer, and certainly not on Sundays.

I've read Webb is a really nice guy, and I see that. Just not sure if I'd fancy a beer with him. Actually I'm having second thoughts on Reed, I reckon he could go on a big one.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:01 pm

That is a quite superb performance by DeChambeau
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Post by Guest Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:04 pm

Congrats Bryson, it’s one thing saying you’ll bully the course it’s an entirely different thing actually doing it.

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Post by Shotrock Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:13 pm

BDC just demolished the best players in the world. That was some performance.

Why couldn't the R&A get an Open Championship this calendar year? Can't imagine the European Tour is that busy.


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Post by beninho Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:23 pm

Shotrock wrote:BDC just demolished the best players in the world. That was some performance.

Why couldn't the R&A get an Open Championship this calendar year? Can't imagine the European Tour is that busy.


Pandemic insurance, similar to Wimbledon. Big payouts!

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Post by McLaren Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:49 pm

beninho wrote:
Shotrock wrote:BDC just demolished the best players in the world. That was some performance.

Why couldn't the R&A get an Open Championship this calendar year? Can't imagine the European Tour is that busy.


Pandemic insurance, similar to Wimbledon. Big payouts!

Pathetic if true.
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Post by McLaren Sun 20 Sep 2020, 11:50 pm

Congrats to the big golfer?

Was that athletic enough for you super?
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Post by GPB Mon 21 Sep 2020, 12:16 am

Shotrock wrote:Well, both BDC and Wolff didn't hit very many fairways but they are sitting 1 and 2. Not sure that strategy will work again tomorrow. Given that, beware Louis or Xander. And Rory at +1 can get it going like no other. Should be a lot of fun tomorrow.

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Post by Shotrock Mon 21 Sep 2020, 1:57 am

Ha ... actually I've always been good at picking the wrong golfer.

Rory says Bryson is "taking advantage" of the current game. Brilliant insight.

You can be sure the green coats at Augusta are a bit on edge.

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Post by GPB Mon 21 Sep 2020, 3:44 am

BDC was actually 7th in driving distance this week.

Behind among others DJohnson, Wolff, Rahm, and Rory.

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Post by beninho Mon 21 Sep 2020, 7:57 am

It was a deserved win. Just very underwhelming. Without the fans, and hearing bdc throughout the round, makes him even harder to like. Dougherty and Coleorton barely hiding their dislike for him. I think he slowly killed Wolf by dragging him into his game.


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