Tri nations and 6 nations teams performance at world cups

The data below represents performance at (the last 6) world cups by the 9 countries concerned, no major surprises with Tri-nations teams dominating. Statistically it would seem SA are the best bet for the William webb ellis trophy.

It doesnt make particularly good reading for fans of Ireland(like myself) not even 1 appearance in a semi this year probably represents our best chance of getting that far.

Any thoughts anybody....is this data reflective of what is likely to happen in the world cup?

If I have made any mistakes please feel free to correct/edit as necessary.




Rugby World Cup overall performance

Quarter-F QF% Semi-F SF% Final F% Champion C%
SA* 4 from 4 100% 3 from 4 75% 2 from 4 50% 2 from 4 50%

AUS 6 from 6 100% 4 from 6 66.67% 3 from 6 50% 2 from 6 33.33%

NZ 6 from 6 100% 5 from 6 83.33% 2 from 6 33.33% 1 from 6 16.67%

Eng 6 from 6 100% 4 from 6 66.67% 3 from 6 50% 1 from 6 16.67%

Fra 6 from 6 100% 5 from 6 83.33% 2 from 6 33.33% 0 from 6 0%

Sco 4 from 6 66.67% 1 from 6 16.66% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0%

Wal 3 from 6 50% 1 from 6 16.66% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0%

Ire 4 from 6 66.67% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0%

Ita 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0% 0 from 6 0%

*SA data since 1995 world cup

Why would things that happend in 1987 have any bearing on things that are happening now, almost a quarter of a century later. The game is very different.

Exactly stag the game is changing all the time as are the players. I believe the stats are only as far back as 1995 but I still don't think it has any bearing on what will happen. The WC is on a year cycle and is a one of tournament so everyone starts with a clean slate.

I don't think in other sports, such as the athletics that athletes look back at how their country traditionaly does in the olympics as an indicator of how they are likely to perform in future tournaments.

Perhaps the most recent one has a bearing for SA as a lot of their players have won it before but other than that it's irrelevent.

red_stag wrote:Why would things that happend in 1987 have any bearing on things that are happening now, almost a quarter of a century later. The game is very different.

Why would anything that happened in 2007 have any bearing now? given that the sides are almost entirely different and the laws are erm, "interpreted" differently.

Things from 87 that have a bearing on this year...? Umm

Most of the grounds and stadiums the players go to will be the same.
Most of the fans- plus a few younger ones and generations of will be the same
Most of the glorious outdoors awaiting the vistors who come will be the same
Most of the wonderful hospitality provided will be the same
Most of the corner butchery rugby knowledge will be the same
and hopefully..with fingers crossed... the eventual winners...will be the same.

That fair enough Red?

I might be reading it wrong, but youve got scotlands quarter final rate at 66.67%, when weve actualy got 100% rate of reaching them.

Imperialbigdave wrote:I might be reading it wrong, but youve got scotlands quarter final rate at 66.67%, when weve actualy got 100% rate of reaching them.

Imperial

Apologies i was trying to do this 'discretely' at work....yep you're right 100%

Any thoughts on how Scotlands world cup will go?

Stag

"Why would things that happend in 1987 have any bearing on things that are happening now"

its not just about 1987

there are some interesting question arising from the stats such as why have Ireland never made a semi?

Is this our year to make a semi ?or another false dawn?

Why have NZ failed to win since 1987 and only made one other final despite being the No.1 side for a large part of the intervening years?? (note to all kiwis not a wind up just an honest question!).

Why have SA done so well? is it an aptitude for big pressure games or just luck/one of those things? Or is it skewed because they have played less world cups?

Taylorman wrote:Things from 87 that have a bearing on this year...? Umm

Most of the grounds and stadiums the players go to will be the same.
Most of the fans- plus a few younger ones and generations of will be the same
Most of the glorious outdoors awaiting the vistors who come will be the same
Most of the wonderful hospitality provided will be the same
Most of the corner butchery rugby knowledge will be the same
and hopefully..with fingers crossed... the eventual winners...will be the same.

That fair enough Red?

Agreed. You missed out one crucial point though. The players won't be the same.

dubh_linn wrote:

Any thoughts on how Scotlands world cup will go?

Don't see any reason why a 100% quarter final record will change. We had the beating of Argentina in Buenos Aires, twice. Furthermore in the 6N there was very little between Scotland and England in the match at twickers, on Neutral Ground I could see Scotland perhaps upsetting England, but England are surely the favorites to win the group.