Premiership Rugby Round 17

note - Revised to include UK times - sniffing too much ether when I copied them over.....

Very odd kick off times!!! Mind a 2:45 kick off on a Friday afternoon would be great, few beers after & still be home early doors.

Oakdene wrote:Very odd kick off times!!! Mind a 2:45 kick off on a Friday afternoon would be great, few beers after & still be home early doors.

Sorry, those times were over here in the colonies on the left side of the Atlantic.

Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete

By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time. Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.

Gee, Gloucester Quins is a surprisingly unexciting match.  Despite a fair amount of back and forth.  Guess I will switch over to Brizzle-Nuke.

doctor_grey wrote:By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time.  Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.  

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.  

BT have only paid for a certain number over the course of the season, translates to roughly 3 a week. I don't know why both sides don't get around the table and thrash out the deal to cover more unless there's evidence to suggest televised games have smaller crowds.

Recwatcher16 wrote:Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete

Couldn't you have waited another week

formerly known as Sam wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:By the way, I still don't understand why there are two games played at the same time.  Staggering the kickoff times would translate directly to more Rugby on tv.  

It sure seems that people who are supposed to be building the Rugby business are the progeny of a relationship between brother and sister.  

BT have only paid for a certain number over the course of the season, translates to roughly 3 a week. I don't know why both sides don't get around the table and thrash out the deal to cover more unless there's evidence to suggest televised games have smaller crowds.

The late and somewhat lamented Super Rugby had a policy that no games should overlap due to their desire to maximise their viewership.  And I guess they didn't see a down side because they kept the policy for over 20 years until the end.  Makes sense to me.  And I agree this should be a no brainer for both sides.

Well that's Manu out for the rest of the 6N anyway now ...

Saints player maybe also lucky not to have what could have been a tip tackle properly looked at, by which I mean Ms Hodnett was the one that looked ...

Warr landed on his back per the replay. Was probably only a penalty.

Sale are looking really good even down to 14, Manu was really stupid and it's going to see him miss the rest of 6N. Could open the door to Seb Atkinson who was great for Glaws last night and made 22 tackles with Quins trying to target him. Playing against Big Andre as well who'd be a regular international 12 if he was from any nation other than SA.

Try to Sale disallowed - not sure about that

formerly known as Sam wrote:Warr landed on his back per the replay. Was probably only a penalty.

Sale are looking really good even down to 14, Manu was really stupid and it's going to see him miss the rest of 6N. Could open the door to Seb Atkinson who was great for Glaws last night and made 22 tackles with Quins trying to target him. Playing against Big Andre as well who'd be a regular international 12 if he was from any nation other than SA.

Pen only yes and didn't matter as try was scored - however Ms Hodnett waved it away completely which is the worry as at another point that could be important ...

Heaf wrote:Try to Sale disallowed - not sure about that

There first four tries should be disallowed retrospectively....

Imagine if Sale still had Manu on the pitch

He would be having his hamstring looked at by now....

doctor_grey wrote:He would be having his hamstring looked at by now....

Was there direct head on head there?

Looked it to me. I just can't see that as a red though.

One angle seems to show no contact though but Hodnett didn't go back to that one ...

It looked a yellow.

Wish the director would slap Day down and say stop saying we.

They're bigging up the big comeback ignoring the fact that Saints have had an extra player for most of the match and 2 extra for the last 10 mins ....

Sale are my least favourite team but tbh without the (correct) red card it would probably have been a cricket score.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wish the director would slap Day down and say stop saying we.

Yeah, but he is talking to me. And he is one of us.

Really not sure about that one ...

Now they're ignoring forward passes ...

Saints look really good - against 13 men....

by the way, and not for nothing, but don't they teach players to try and ground the ball close to the posts if possible?

No pen for the no arms?????

Well Saints scrape it but the officials were dreadful ...

And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.

Heaf wrote:And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

Wasn't exactly great at the start or middle either!

I'm still struggling with the Saints try from a flying wedge off the line out compared to the one disallowed for Sale ... then add in a couple of clear forward passes missed which ultimateley ended in a try. Saints were very lucky even taking Manu's deserved red card out of the equation.

No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.

Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

Fine to cheer the win (probably with relief) but the commentators are making a meal of the 'comeback' given the extra man/men and some of the dodgy calls by the officials ...

doctor_grey wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.

Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

Yeah but at least have the decency to keep it stifled after that!

No 7&1/2 wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd be slightly embarrassed to cheer that loudly if I was a Northampton fan.

Why?
A win, however, sh!tful, is a win.

Yeah but at least have the decency to keep it stifled after that!

Fair enough! But we don't get a lot of wins so we takes what we gets. Besides, I wasn't cheering too loudly. And I doubt you could hear what we were saying from here.....

Did you see Ribbans (man of the match - again) in his post-match interview? First question was about the win. He looked very sheepishly into the camera and after a second or two said, "well, a win is a win" clearly acknowledging Saints were verrrry lucky.

Real shame he's off at the end of the season. Don't know why he hasn't had a look in for England albeit chessum is class.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Real shame he's off at the end of the season. Don't know why he hasn't had a look in for England albeit chessum is class.

I really don't know what keeps Ribbans out of the England squad.  He does all the donkey work and does it well.  Chessum is good and will likely be an England regular for years to come, but he can't handle the ball as well as Ribbans.  They should all be in the mix.  Perhaps Ribbans would be a terrific impact player off the bench, though he can and does go the full 80 regularly. And Eddie Jones preferred Jonny Hill.......

No 7&1/2 wrote:

Heaf wrote:And Sale's discipline went completely to pot at the end ...

Wasn't exactly great at the start or middle either!

It's the Achilles Heel that's likely to cost them at the business end of the season.

The Tempo/Hodnett combo were their usual terrifying level of inconsistent incompetence. Didn't stop a very good end to end game coming about though may have assisted the result. Manu ultimately cost his team though and the officials got that spot on, playing for so long at such a tempo with 14 was always going to be a big ask.

I was surprised Sale managed to stay on top for so long with only 13/14 men. Still no doubt in my mind Ms Hodnett was key in changing the result again ALA Irish v Quins, although of course the ref has to also take his share of the rap for that.

Heaf wrote:

Recwatcher16 wrote:Useful looking Bath side with a whole raft of players coming back from injury. If only Bath could consistently pick this side....

Bath Rugby: 15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Joe Cokanasiga, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Cameron Redpath, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 10 Piers Francis, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 D’Arcy Rae, 4 Dave Attwood, 5 Josh McNally, 6 Miles Reid, 7 Sam Underhill, 8 Josh Bayliss 

Impact players: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Fergus Lee-Warner, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Chris Cloete

Couldn't you have waited another week

Looks like Bath have....disappointing!
Consistent combinations need to stay in place but Paddy Jackson was a difference yesterday. Bath FH's currently aren't good enough.

Yes I was pleasantly surprised by that result.

Mike Brown!!!!

doctor_grey wrote:Mike Brown!!!!

Are you saying...World Cup bolter?

Rugby Fan wrote:

doctor_grey wrote:Mike Brown!!!!

Are you saying...World Cup bolter?  

To be fair, he would bring an attitude which I think England is lacking just a little bit.

Turning into a good game this.