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Post by king_carlos Thu 20 Jul 2023, 2:22 pm

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50 up for Mo at an absolutely vital moment.  clap clap

A fortuitous way to get there with Cummins not picking it up. It frankly looked like he wasn't moving well chasing back for it either.

Starc back on which I think slows how key a period the Aussies know this is. He's looked their best bowler today.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 11:44 am

Just getting a reminder of how good a batting wicket it is. Five overs, 16/0, not an awful lot there.

May have heard on the Sky comms that Daniel actually finished with a dot, so Broad perhaps is the first to end on a six?

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Post by Soul Requiem Sun 30 Jul 2023, 11:45 am

Duty281 wrote:Just getting a reminder of how good a batting wicket it is. Five overs, 16/0, not an awful lot there.

May have heard on the Sky comms that Daniel actually finished with a dot, so Broad perhaps is the first to end on a six?

His last delivery bowling to Terry Alderman was a dot.

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:00 pm

Nothing notable from this first eight overs for the bowlers. No movement ; and the batsmen have been in behind everything without any trouble so far. England have hardly taken any really early wickets all series so nothing new here.

Lot of runs to play with ; but they'd have been hoping to grab an early one this morning. I don't think taking ten wickets is going to be that easy...going to have to work.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:02 pm

Moeen! On early. Been a very assured start from Australia, just one ball from Jimmy beating the bat so far.

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:04 pm

Early appearance from Moeen ! Not sure how he's going to handle bowling , but I guess they want to find out as soon as possible whether he can play a useful part.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

That was a shocker of an over.

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Post by guildfordbat Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:06 pm

Poor keeping by Bairstow fumbling a delivery from Woakes commented upon by Atherton. He needlessly conceded a bye in Broad's opening over which Butcher on comms didn't mention. Just doesn't inspire confidence.

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:13 pm

Bit of spin there for Moeen. Depends how often he can land them in the right place. He's going to leak runs anyway so important he threatens the wickets...

Good first mini-session for Australia thumbsup

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:15 pm

Moeen got one to bite and it sailed for four byes. Encouraging signs though. I hope they don't ignore Root's bowling in this innings just because Moeen is able to bowl. Root's got 6 wickets @ 22 this series, whereas Moeen's 6 have been @ 67.

49/0 at drinks. Perfect start for Australia. Wood soon? Wonder if Stokes will be able to bowl, knowing this might be his last cricket for six months?

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:28 pm

Broad back on. Still no real menace from the pace men ...no pace left in the strip at all.

Reckon a couple of balls from Moeen have seemed the most likely to cause damage : two that spun , and a rank bad ball that nearly drew a rush of blood...

56/0 in 15. Bit fast for a Tortoise ?

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:35 pm

Don't think they'll ignore Root's bowling. Might see a fair bit of spin today , as it doesn't seem the pace bowlers are going to get much help from the track.

The Australian batsmen are playing much more positively than on Friday. I think they reckon this chase is quite achievable on this pitch. Which is a much better mental state than tiring to defend for a draw . Will be interesting to see what happens when a wicket falls...

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Post by msp83 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:38 pm

Mo giving the ball plenty of air and trying to really buy a wicket. He has actually looked the likeliest to get a wicket so far. What's the deal with Wood?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:39 pm

Australia should certainly go for the target and I've always expected them to. Like I said yesterday, there's been a big upturn in successful chases of 300+ in the last ten years, as teams always believe it's possible nowadays (something that predates Bazball). And these wickets have been batting friendly all series.

61/0. Might be some rain around as early as 13:00. Further play today will become difficult if/when it hits with more rain forecast for later on.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:45 pm

Root on, which I don't mind at all, but still no Mark Wood today which is a concern.

Root bowling to two lefties is a good matchup though even if both play spin well.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:46 pm

Root's bowling average 30.5 against the left-handers. Didn't realise it was that good.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:48 pm

Duty281 wrote:Root's bowling average 30.5 against the left-handers. Didn't realise it was that good.
Yep, as said before he's been used really smartly by England. They wait for lefties and when it's ragging as he can be dangerous. But they don't then over bowl him in hope at the wrong times very often.

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:49 pm

Still no Wood. Still no wickets.

Root now paired with Jimmy. Playing the patient game. Really want to get a break soon as these two are looking just too comfortable.

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Post by compelling and rich Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:51 pm

is wood injured?

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Post by king_carlos Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:53 pm

It looks very flat and slow for the seamers though. Broad got a couple to misbehave a bit with cutters but it's so slow that Khawaja was still comfortable.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 12:53 pm

compelling and rich wrote:is wood injured?

I think he's on the field, but I'm starting to be a little concerned about his absence from the attack.

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Post by GSC Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:01 pm

Good morning for Australia. England just have to stay patient
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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:01 pm

Holding Wood back for the reverse sweet spot ? And maybe generally planning to use him in short bursts , to new batsmen.

Got to get a wicket first ! This has been a perfect session for Australia. They'll be quietly confident they can chase this down after a start like this... England might be rather concerned that they've not really looked like taking a wicket.

Lunch at 75/0.

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Post by guildfordbat Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:Well the clouds have suddenly rolled in.

Worth noting with regards to fourth innings scores at the Oval - 400+ has been scored twice, in 1979 and 1947, in drawing efforts. England also managed 369 in a draw with India in 2007, and Australia were bowled out here for 348 in 2009 attempting a very high chase (they were doing alright until Punter got run out!).

A point I forgot to mention earlier. The Oval now has a smaller outfield than in all those years mentioned above by Duty.

Anyway, a responsible and impressive start by Warner and Khawaja. Whether the likes of Head and Carey (assuming required) can do likewise, I'm unconvinced ....

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Post by kingraf Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:02 pm

It's that old chestnut. If someone offered Australia 300 a 300-run target, with 10 wickets in hand, starting with a 24-over-old ball, I think Australia would think they're in a decent position. I think Australia are probably marginally in the ascendancy, but England overall favourites, taking into account how difficult chases of 350+ traditionally have been.
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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:06 pm

Almost right on cue the rain starts to fall. 75/0. Perfect session for the Aussies, and England will be starting to feel the first touch of concern. Generally, though, in these sort of chases the old adage of 'one brings two' sustains the fielding side. But it looks like being hard graft to get 10 wickets, especially with no frontline spinner on a turning pitch.

The forecast looks to have cleared up tomorrow, so it should be a 98 over day on Monday (if needed!), which means that even if there's no more play today a positive result should be reached.

Got quite a bit more rain on the radar today. Some at 14:30, then the bigger burst at around 16:00/16:30 which will likely end things for the day when it hits.

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Post by KP_fan Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:10 pm

Aus session.
But still far from really worried phase for Eng.

Aus did that what they needed to. Got rid of 10th wicket quickly....got a foundation of. a 50+opening stand.....75 and going...and did not dig a hole of strokelessness
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Warner needs to convert this to a 70 or 80 odd and Aus need to go through the.next session not losing more than a wickets......and then it's game even
Pitch is docile, Eng bowling looks flat and deflated....Wood magic or Rain spiced conditions is what Eng would be hoping for.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:is wood injured?

I think he's on the field, but I'm starting to be a little concerned about his absence from the attack.

Thought they might be waiting for it to start to reverse a bit to bring him on
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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:16 pm

Duty281 wrote:Almost right on cue the rain starts to fall. 75/0. Perfect session for the Aussies, and England will be starting to feel the first touch of concern. Generally, though, in these sort of chases the old adage of 'one brings two' sustains the fielding side. But it looks like being hard graft to get 10 wickets, especially with no frontline spinner on a turning pitch.

The forecast looks to have cleared up tomorrow, so it should be a 98 over day on Monday (if needed!), which means that even if there's no more play today a positive result should be reached.

Got quite a bit more rain on the radar today. Some at 14:30, then the bigger burst at around 16:00/16:30 which will likely end things for the day when it hits.

So what are we saying ? Rain saves England Very Happy

Unfortunately they have to win ...

Long way to go , of course. I did feel England probably left thirty or so runs out there yesterday : seemed to lose a bit of focus after Root got out. And suspect they were very confident 380 would be plenty. May not be quite so confident now ; though as you say , one often brings two , etc. These large chases tend to founder later on : in truth I wasn't expecting to run through them this morning ; but I was certainly hoping to get one or two in the first 20 odd overs.

Not going to be a relaxing stroll to victory , is it ?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:23 pm

alfie wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Almost right on cue the rain starts to fall. 75/0. Perfect session for the Aussies, and England will be starting to feel the first touch of concern. Generally, though, in these sort of chases the old adage of 'one brings two' sustains the fielding side. But it looks like being hard graft to get 10 wickets, especially with no frontline spinner on a turning pitch.

The forecast looks to have cleared up tomorrow, so it should be a 98 over day on Monday (if needed!), which means that even if there's no more play today a positive result should be reached.

Got quite a bit more rain on the radar today. Some at 14:30, then the bigger burst at around 16:00/16:30 which will likely end things for the day when it hits.

So what are we saying ? Rain saves England Very Happy

Unfortunately they have to win ...

Long way to go , of course. I did feel England probably left thirty or so runs out there yesterday : seemed to lose a bit of focus after Root got out. And suspect they were very confident 380 would be plenty. May not be quite so confident now ; though as you say , one often brings two , etc. These large chases tend to founder later on : in truth I wasn't expecting to run through them this morning ; but I was certainly hoping to get one or two in the first 20 odd overs.

Not going to be a relaxing stroll to victory , is it ?

Never is. All set for Broad to take the last wicket with Australia needing two to win and Warner on strike at 199*...

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Post by Pal Joey Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:35 pm

Duty281 wrote:
alfie wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Almost right on cue the rain starts to fall. 75/0. Perfect session for the Aussies, and England will be starting to feel the first touch of concern. Generally, though, in these sort of chases the old adage of 'one brings two' sustains the fielding side. But it looks like being hard graft to get 10 wickets, especially with no frontline spinner on a turning pitch.

The forecast looks to have cleared up tomorrow, so it should be a 98 over day on Monday (if needed!), which means that even if there's no more play today a positive result should be reached.

Got quite a bit more rain on the radar today. Some at 14:30, then the bigger burst at around 16:00/16:30 which will likely end things for the day when it hits.

So what are we saying ? Rain saves England Very Happy

Unfortunately they have to win ...

Long way to go , of course. I did feel England probably left thirty or so runs out there yesterday : seemed to lose a bit of focus after Root got out. And suspect they were very confident 380 would be plenty. May not be quite so confident now ; though as you say , one often brings two , etc. These large chases tend to founder later on : in truth I wasn't expecting to run through them this morning ; but I was certainly hoping to get one or two in the first 20 odd overs.

Not going to be a relaxing stroll to victory , is it ?

Never is. All set for Broad to take the last wicket with Australia needing two to win and Warner on strike at 199*...

Except that won't happen. It'll be Joe from one end and Mo in a wheelchair from the other... due to bad light. Smile

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:40 pm

Looks like play will start on time this afternoon, but the rain is coming soon. And once the rain hits I think that'll be it for the day.

England need to take advantage of these gloomy conditions.

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Post by msp83 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:51 pm

Wood's on and off, Mo not a hundred percent. Anderson quite pedestrian. Broad and Woakes not able to extract much of the pitch. Warner and Khawaja building a solid platform. Things not looking great for England at the moment.
But its that time when Warner should be throwing another start. Marnus and Smith have had very mixed results in the series. The rest of the lineup, despite the presence of Mitchell Bradman, isn't that solid. And of course, the target of 384, is a very long way away...

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 1:59 pm

Good chess battle going on. England tying Australia down, trying to provoke a rash shot. But the two openers not yet obliging. Target under 300 now.

Has a subcontinent feel to this test. Seam at one end, spin at t'other, on a docile wicket.

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Post by msp83 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:02 pm

If not Wood, what is Woakes doing out there? Think Root's have had a longish bowl under the circumstances. Since Wood's not off the field, they should be expecting him to bowl?

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:06 pm

Warner with the shot of the Ashes. Shocked

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Post by alfie Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:07 pm

Very attritional at the moment. England trying to dry up the runs and prey on a mistake. But no joy yet ...and Warner starting to look distinctly dangerous.

I am comforted by the thought that one brings two etc etc...but beginning to wonder where the "one" is coming from.

That was weird : Anderson a totally wild full toss no ball and four more... 98/0 just the start you want chasing 380.

Wood getting loose...

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Post by msp83 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:08 pm

Anderson not even able to keep a lid on scoring at the moment, and now he has bowled a beamer at Warner who managed to somehow get it away for 4.

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Post by msp83 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:10 pm

Wood on, at last!

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Post by compelling and rich Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:10 pm

finally!!

couldnt understand not bowling your most dangerous bowler at all while giving part timers a go. not even had a go with the new ball. slow flat pitch the extra pace could have been the difference with the harder ball

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Post by GSC Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:11 pm

Was never going to be easy was it.

Not a lot happening and now near 100 up without losing a wicket. The platform has been laid
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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm

100 partnership. clap

Pretty equal effort from both. Wood on, so the crowd is awake. Finds an edge, but it goes through for four. Fifty for Khawaja. What a series he's had. Arguably Australia's player of the series. Was instrumental in their first two wins, and might play a key role in a third win...

Wilson now unable to differentiate between runs off the bat and byes. Doh

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