Daegu predictions for placings table

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My hope in Daegu was to see further progression towards London 2012 on the placings table with an aim of 90-95 points
following on from those at Osaka (61), Beijing (71) and Berlin (81).

This is because I think this gives a much better overall assessment of depth and performance of Team GB.

However, as you will see from below we have actually gone backwards in this measure despite winning an improved 7 medals.
due to only having 12 top 8 performers which is a massive step backwards.
It appears that we are now relying on a few athletes rather than a wider and deeper pool of talent.

I seem to remember the goal for London was not only more medals but people in nearly all events and a larger number of finalists.

In fact, if you remove one athlete, Mo Farah, from the equation I think this would have been our worst ever performance!
- and as an aside Mo Farah seems to have done better since he has gone "independent" and off to the states.

OSAKA
1 USA 14 4 8 5 4 2 5 4 249
2 RUSSIA 4 9 3 7 5 5 4 0 191
3 KENYA 5 3 5 3 2 1 1 4 123
4 JAMAICA 1 6 3 2 1 3 3 1 98
5 GERMANY 2 2 3 0 5 1 4 5 84
6 GB & NI 1 1 3 3 0 4 0 1 61 - 13 top 8
7 CHINA 1 1 1 2 3 1 2 1 51

BEIJING
1 USA 7 9 7 4 3 1 3 5 207
2 RUSSIA 6 5 7 6 3 8 3 3 200
3 KENYA 5 5 4 3 3 1 3 0 135
4 JAMAICA 6 3 2 2 2 5 3 1 121
5 ETHIOPIA 4 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 76
6 GB & NI 1 2 1 4 2 3 2 2 71 - 17 top 8
7 BELARUS 1 3 3 2 1 1 0 1 65

BERLIN
1 USA 10 6 6 3 6 8 3 4 231
2 RUSSIA 4 3 6 4 5 4 5 3 154
3 JAMAICA 7 4 2 3 4 2 1 1 136
4 KENYA 4 5 2 3 4 1 3 1 120
5 GERMANY 2 3 4 2 4 4 2 1 104
6 ETHIOPIA 2 2 4 3 3 2 0 1 88
7 GB & NI 2 2 2 2 2 3 5 2 81 - 20 top 8
8 POLAND 2 4 2 2 1 0 1 1 73

DAEGU
1 USA 12 8 5 6 4 3 6 2 251
2 RUSSIA 9 4 6 3 7 4 3 4 201
3 KENYA 7 6 4 3 4 5 3 0 174
4 JAMAICA 4 4 1 3 2 2 2 2 101
5 GERMANY 3 3 1 2 2 1 3 5 83
6 GB & NI 2 4 1 2 2 0 1 0 70 - 12 top 8
7 ETHIOPIA 1 0 4 2 4 1 1 3 66
8 CHINA 1 2 1 3 1 4 0 2 61


POINTS from Berlin. Daegu prediction. Actual in Daegu.

David Greene 2. 6. 8.
Mo Farah 5k 0. 6. 8.
Mo Farah 10K 2. 7. 7.
Jessica Ennis 8. 8. 7.
Phillips Idowu 8. 8. 7.
Hannah England 0. 1. 7.
Andy Turner 0. 3. 6.

Firstly none of the above results should be criticised in anyway. Of course there are components of performance that need to be improved on
and those athletes are well aware of. Jess's Javelin as an example.

Tiffany Porter 0. 4. 5.
Womens 4x400 5. 5. 5.
William Sharman 5. 0. 4.
Yamile Aldama 0. 0. 4.
Mens 4x400 7. 4. 2.

These atheletes/teams all did well in placing and getting points and will all be challenging again in London.
Tiffany hitting that hurdle was unlucky and shows great future potential to do even better.
The womens 4x400 performed as well as they could based on their individual levels.
Oh to see Nicola and Christine fulfilling their potential/back to their best in London 2012.
Hopefully William gets an injury free run to London 2012.
Yamile although only recently back after motherhood showed she is a class athlete and can hopefully do even better in London 2012.
The mens 4x400 again missing many with injuries did well with a young team - but surely we must aim to reduce the number of injuries
thorugh smarter coaching/medical support.

Lisa Dobriskey 7. 4. 0.
Jenny Meadows 6. 6. 0.
Mens 4x100 6. 6. 0.
Chris Ohurougu 4. 1. 0.
Greg Rutherford 4. 4. 0.
Dwayne Chambers 3. 1. 0.
Kate Dennison 3. 0. 0.
Womens 4x100 3. 2. 0.
Steven Lewis 2. 0. 0.
Marilyn Okoro 1. 0. 0.
Chris Tomlinson 1. 5. 0.
Goldie Sayers 5. 0.
Perry S-D 4. 0.
Holly Bleasdale 4. 0.

Well a large number of disappointments here, injuries, false starts, and apparent nerves on the big occasion.
Yes some athletes were close to finals, PSD and Jenny but other really under performed Goldie, Holly, Lisa.

We really need to work out why.
For example, Was it really wise for PSD to do so much at the trials?
Should other have got more experience on the circuit again top competitors?
Obviously there are many more questions and they are the easy bit, it's the answers that are more difficult.

Emily Freeman 2. did not take part
Michael Bingham 2. did not take part

Finally, and to some degree encouraging, there were a number of athletes missing for various reasons that hopefully be competing next year.
Forgive me if I forget some...
Paula Radcliffe
Jo Pavey
Natasha Danvers-Smith
Michael Bingham
Jodie Williams

well it looks like UK are well on their way for the medal target set by CVC. He'd said 7 to 8 medals incl. one gold at least, and with Meadows, Farah and Idowu still to run plus the odd relay, and maybe Thomlinson in the LJ I think the target will be achieved...

Poor Ennis, couldn't throw that javelin like she knows she can

Atleast coming 2nd in this will give her something to strive for in a yrs time

not wanting to do too much of this "gallant loser" thing JM, but I think they are positives to be taken from Jess's performance. She produced three PBs, and had she equalled her best in the javelin she would have (just) won. She knows the javelin is her biggest weakness, and I back her to go away in the winter and really improve on that event, just as she did with the shot putt (to the extent that she's now a decent shot putter).

Also, it may not be too bad a thing for her NOT to go into the home Olympics having won absolutely everything over the last three years, as the pressure would have been ridiculous.

Mad for chelsea
Also Tiffany Offili-Porter and Goldie Sayers have outside chances.

true skimpton, but after seeing this morning's heats I believe Farah and Meadows WILL medal. Meadows is such a great racer and controlled her heat superbly, while Farah looks incredibly confident right now. So yeah, at least three more medals for UK (can't see Idowu missing out) plus a few more decent shouts (I think Sayers may struggle to medal, but in the hurdles anything can happen so Offili-Porter has a more than decent chance, and with Saladino out of the LJ Tomlinson has a good chance if he can get his act together). Would be great if we could reach double figures on the medal front, when was the last time that happened?

We got 10 in 93. That's our best ever total medal haul.

cheers dj, so we could actually (with admittedly a bit of luck) match that? that would be amazing. GB underperforming say the media? what underperforming? We're fourth in the medals table behind only Russia, USA and Kenya (who we were never going to beat anyway). Great stuff, keep it up!

The media love to build people up then knock them down.
They criticise Mo for going to early and not getting Gold, could they have done better? So another guy runs a 52 second last lap good for him, it's not as if Mo didnt try. I wish I was second best in the world at something!
They say Jess choked and through gold away in the Javelin. Even equalling her PB she would have only got Silver. Again the other athlete performed to her potential.

Hopefully we can do well with other medals and finalist (top 8) over the next few days and continue our progression towards London 2012.

We then have the potential to do even better. PSD, Holly Bleasdale, Jodie Williams to name a few plus others with another years experience/development, plus those returning or recovering that didnt perform this time. eg. Radcliffe, Pavey, Danvers, Bingham, Dobriskey, Proctor etc.

Ennis with an equal PB or much better HJ could have won the Gold. That's what will have upset her most. Should make her even more motivated come 2012.

Right now looks like we can better a rather soft medal target. Some athletes have performed really well - including Jess and Mo. So lots to be pleased about.

Still quite a number who have performed badly. In particular womens sprinters and mens HJ.

Seems like a bad games for France and Italy.

Really, really pleased for Dai Greene getting his gold medal today, it was a great run from him, loved the momentum he had off the last hurdle.

Really pleased (and very surprised!) by Hannah England's silver as well. Great news

Hopefully a gold by Mo Farah as well.

teassoc
you mention womens sprints and mens hj as bad performances.
I didnt expect anything from 100 or 200, hopefully Jodie comes through soon.
400 yes of course.
But what about the men sprinters no fianalist 100 through to 400 and we would normally have at least a couple across the 3 events - and with the fastest 4 from this year absent from the 100!
Also no finalists through 800 and 1500.
The field events are pretty bad throughout especially the throws the exception being womens Javelin and mens discus

Its not been too bad a World Championships at all...Dai's gold superb; and while we had two strong hopefuls for gold, sliver is still a pretty good outcome given that this is the worlds, with a huge pool of talent, and where, like with any major sporting event, anything can happen, including your odd surprise...If both Ennis and Farah had gotten gold we'd be going wild - naturally, as that would make things immensely respectable. As it is, their efforts were still more than commendable, and made me very proud

Hopefully, as others have suggested, they can all go that one better at London...this way, there is no complacency heading into the Olympics

If either Meadows or Farah - or both - get gold though, I'll be going nuts

Just being a little philosophical.... surely not expecting anything is a worse scenario/performance than expecting something and not achieving.

But at least we're not disappointed if we didn't expect. But if we did expect and someone failed, at least we tried.

Anyway, Jess and mo did exceptionally well, only the media hyped them into Gold medal positions. They both performed to their best. Dai Green was very good.

IS this track or the weather conditions a bit slow? Is it too humid?

Damn - Meadows out

Izzymiyagh1 wrote:Damn - Meadows out

She did try her hardest though.

Poor results for Hinchon, Clitheroe, Sayers and Malcom.

Not looking like a good day for GB

Clitheroe did OK, that's her second fastest time ever over the distance, and in tough conditions. The rest were disapointing though, and massive shame that Meadows is out. Can the 4x400 relay redeem the day slightly?

Nope, that was fairly rubbish really, and ends a desperately poor day for GB I'm afraid.

Well what a contrast to yesterday some real underperformers in team GB for I assume various reasons.
There is no way we will now have progress towards London 2012 on finalists (Top 8′s) or Placing points.
Some athletes have performed as expected and a couple exceeded themselves, but the majority have really underperformed and serious questions need to be asked.

It has been disapointing but I dont think these conditions have suited the Europeans that much. Be a much more level playing field in London Id say.
Is Rutherford the most injury/virus prone athlete ever ? Real shame as he is clearly a talent but you just cant see him ever staying fit long enough to have a really good season. Shame.

Terrible day for Britain.

At least Idowu is still in there.

teassoc wrote:

Izzymiyagh1 wrote:Damn - Meadows out

She did try her hardest though.

Poor results for Hinchon, Clitheroe, Sayers and Malcom.

Not looking like a good day for GB

She did indeed try her hardest - and is why I admire her so much...no complaints regarding her efforts, just 'sad' she isn't in the final...

Has been a bad day on the whole - hoped for a little more from Sayers; but wasn't expecting that much from Malcolm...he's made an enormous contribution over the years, but he is clearly now past his very best, sadly...

We have been woeful across the shorter / sprint distances - 100m, 200m and 400m

Oh well, never mind, there's always next year

Excellent performances by Porter and by women's 4 x 400 relay.

No medals but very good 4th places.

Mo gets the gold

Unlucky for Idowu, that was a monster winning effort from nowhere.

Well done MO - absolute magic

Superb run from Mo, Idowu unlucky in the high jump also.

Usain Bolt again though was brilliant, had a feeling the world record would be broken.

Shame our mens sprint relay squad couldn't complete the course. There was a bronze medal there for the asking.

Sad for Idowu. He had a brilliant series. Just beaten by someone who only really excelled with one jump.

Happy to see the Russian win the women's 800m. No doubt about her gender. I was watching a Caster Semenya interview after the race. If I didn't know otherwise I would have thought it was a teenage boy being interviewed. Goodness knows what the others in the race must have been left thinking.

It's kinda funny being glad about an obvious doper winning the women's 800 in fronnt of an obvious man.

I just want to congratulate Mo for his outstanding performances at the World Championships. It's been quite an amazing (breakthrough) year for him. Also congratulations to Idowu for an excellent games (qualifiering at the first attempt and an exceptional series of T-jumps in the final - just beaten by an even more exceptional T-jump). Two golds, four silvers and a bronze - not bad at all.

My hope in Daegu was to see further progression towards London 2012 on the placings table with an aim of 90-95 points
following on from those at Osaka (61), Beijing (71) and Berlin (81).

This is because I think this gives a much better overall assessment of depth and performance of Team GB.

However, as you will see from below we have actually gone backwards in this measure despite winning an improved 7 medals.
due to only having 12 top 8 performers which is a massive step backwards.
It appears that we are now relying on a few athletes rather than a wider and deeper pool of talent.

I seem to remember the goal for London was not only more medals but people in nearly all events and a larger number of finalists.

In fact, if you remove one athlete, Mo Farah, from the equation I think this would have been our worst ever performance!
- and as an aside Mo Farah seems to have done better since he has gone "independent" and off to the states.

OSAKA
1 USA 14 4 8 5 4 2 5 4 249
2 RUSSIA 4 9 3 7 5 5 4 0 191
3 KENYA 5 3 5 3 2 1 1 4 123
4 JAMAICA 1 6 3 2 1 3 3 1 98
5 GERMANY 2 2 3 0 5 1 4 5 84
6 GB & NI 1 1 3 3 0 4 0 1 61 - 13 top 8
7 CHINA 1 1 1 2 3 1 2 1 51

BEIJING
1 USA 7 9 7 4 3 1 3 5 207
2 RUSSIA 6 5 7 6 3 8 3 3 200
3 KENYA 5 5 4 3 3 1 3 0 135
4 JAMAICA 6 3 2 2 2 5 3 1 121
5 ETHIOPIA 4 1 2 2 1 2 2 1 76
6 GB & NI 1 2 1 4 2 3 2 2 71 - 17 top 8
7 BELARUS 1 3 3 2 1 1 0 1 65

BERLIN
1 USA 10 6 6 3 6 8 3 4 231
2 RUSSIA 4 3 6 4 5 4 5 3 154
3 JAMAICA 7 4 2 3 4 2 1 1 136
4 KENYA 4 5 2 3 4 1 3 1 120
5 GERMANY 2 3 4 2 4 4 2 1 104
6 ETHIOPIA 2 2 4 3 3 2 0 1 88
7 GB & NI 2 2 2 2 2 3 5 2 81 - 20 top 8
8 POLAND 2 4 2 2 1 0 1 1 73

DAEGU
1 USA 12 8 5 6 4 3 6 2 251
2 RUSSIA 9 4 6 3 7 4 3 4 201
3 KENYA 7 6 4 3 4 5 3 0 174
4 JAMAICA 4 4 1 3 2 2 2 2 101
5 GERMANY 3 3 1 2 2 1 3 5 83
6 GB & NI 2 4 1 2 2 0 1 0 70 - 12 top 8
7 ETHIOPIA 1 0 4 2 4 1 1 3 66
8 CHINA 1 2 1 3 1 4 0 2 61


POINTS from Berlin. Daegu prediction. Actual in Daegu.

David Greene 2. 6. 8.
Mo Farah 5k 0. 6. 8.
Mo Farah 10K 2. 7. 7.
Jessica Ennis 8. 8. 7.
Phillips Idowu 8. 8. 7.
Hannah England 0. 1. 7.
Andy Turner 0. 3. 6.

Firstly none of the above results should be criticised in anyway. Of course there are components of performance that need to be improved on
and those athletes are well aware of. Jess's Javelin as an example.

Tiffany Porter 0. 4. 5.
Womens 4x400 5. 5. 5.
William Sharman 5. 0. 4.
Yamile Aldama 0. 0. 4.
Mens 4x400 7. 4. 2.

These atheletes/teams all did well in placing and getting points and will all be challenging again in London.
Tiffany hitting that hurdle was unlucky and shows great future potential to do even better.
The womens 4x400 performed as well as they could based on their individual levels.
Oh to see Nicola and Christine fulfilling their potential/back to their best in London 2012.
Hopefully William gets an injury free run to London 2012.
Yamile although only recently back after motherhood showed she is a class athlete and can hopefully do even better in London 2012.
The mens 4x400 again missing many with injuries did well with a young team - but surely we must aim to reduce the number of injuries
thorugh smarter coaching/medical support.

Lisa Dobriskey 7. 4. 0.
Jenny Meadows 6. 6. 0.
Mens 4x100 6. 6. 0.
Chris Ohurougu 4. 1. 0.
Greg Rutherford 4. 4. 0.
Dwayne Chambers 3. 1. 0.
Kate Dennison 3. 0. 0.
Womens 4x100 3. 2. 0.
Steven Lewis 2. 0. 0.
Marilyn Okoro 1. 0. 0.
Chris Tomlinson 1. 5. 0.
Goldie Sayers 5. 0.
Perry S-D 4. 0.
Holly Bleasdale 4. 0.

Well a large number of disappointments here, injuries, false starts, and apparent nerves on the big occasion.
Yes some athletes were close to finals, PSD and Jenny but other really under performed Goldie, Holly, Lisa.

We really need to work out why.
For example, Was it really wise for PSD to do so much at the trials?
Should other have got more experience on the circuit again top competitors?
Obviously there are many more questions and they are the easy bit, it's the answers that are more difficult.

Emily Freeman 2. did not take part
Michael Bingham 2. did not take part

Finally, and to some degree encouraging, there were a number of athletes missing for various reasons that hopefully be competing next year.
Forgive me if I forget some...
Paula Radcliffe
Jo Pavey
Natasha Danvers-Smith
Michael Bingham
Jodie Williams

So glad a woman won the womens 800M. Never cheered so loudly for a Russian down the home straight before!

So glad a woman won the womens 800M. Never cheered so loudly for a Russian down the home straight before!

skimpton wrote:So glad a woman won the womens 800M. Never cheered so loudly for a Russian down the home straight before!

Yes, same here. I said something similar on another thread.

Did you see the Seminya (spelling) post-race interview? Must be very difficult for the other runners to accept.