Evander and Provetkin

Holyfield seems to want to take on Provetkin after the Russian won against Cheagev at the weekend after Holyfield fights Botha in October what are you guys views on this? Holyfield should just retire and give it up

i think Atlas tould let Provetkin in with Holy because he seems to want to do anything to keep him away from the brothers of doom

It's a possibility, I think, though it's obviously still a sad indictment of the state of the Heavyweight division.

If it does happen, Povetkin wins all day long for me, by a unanimous decision.

yeah i agree Chris it is sad to see but USA have Danny Wilder coming through hes 18-0 so hopefully he can come through and Holy retire soon

The very prospect of this fight is about as depressing as can be possible, so many things about it are wrong, Povetkin calling himself a world champion by wearing a belt the WBA took of Wlad for no apparent reason, Holyfield's continuing refusal to accept the truth and still fighting, however the saddest element of all of this is that it would not surprise you in the least if it happened.

As for a prediction, don't care enough to make one.

Holyfield is the bookies favourite to fight Povetkin next. To be fair to Atlas when Povtkin was lined up to face Wlad (I think) before Atlas had just started working with him and felt he wasn't ready and would like to work with him a bit before a fight like that. Not sure Teddy would be able to have the same influence this time even if Povetkin has to get a new traner.

I worry for Holyfield although Povetkin isn't a massive puncher I think he will stop Holyfield early just hope Holyfield doesn't get hurt that badly.

alma wrote:

wheelchair1991 wrote:yeah i agree Chris it is sad to see but USA have Danny Wilder coming through hes 18-0 so hopefully he can come through and Holy retire soon

Not heard of this guy, but you would think any half decent young US heavyweight would get fasttracked into bigger fights to try and maximise US TV revenue. It certainly worked for Andre Ward @168. The fact that the Klitschkos are even contemplating fighting people like Tyson Fury & Dereck Chisora with only 15 or so pro fights to their name is truly a sad indictment.

well he fought this weekend and he seems a bit of a KO artist he is backed by Golden Boy hasnt really fought anyone of note yet but the US are starting to notice him

Haven't seen that much of Wilder yet, nor Seth Mitchell either, another American who might offer a glimmer of hope in their quest to regain Heavyweight supremacy.

Unfortunately, even if the two of them do come to fruition, I reckon Holyfield will continue to fight until a) the authortities revoke his licence, or b) his incredible financial problems are solved. Sadly, I'm not sure either of those two scenarios are forthcoming.

88Chris05 wrote:Haven't seen that much of Wilder yet, nor Seth Mitchell either, another American who might offer a glimmer of hope in their quest to regain Heavyweight supremacy.

Unfortunately, even if the two of them do come to fruition, I reckon Holyfield will continue to fight until a) the authortities revoke his licence, or b) his incredible financial problems are solved. Sadly, I'm not sure either of those two scenarios are forthcoming.

didnt they revoke his licence after the Larry Donald fight?

Deontay Wilder has been fighting bums Tyson Fury is at a higher level than him just now.

wheelchair1991 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:Haven't seen that much of Wilder yet, nor Seth Mitchell either, another American who might offer a glimmer of hope in their quest to regain Heavyweight supremacy.

Unfortunately, even if the two of them do come to fruition, I reckon Holyfield will continue to fight until a) the authortities revoke his licence, or b) his incredible financial problems are solved. Sadly, I'm not sure either of those two scenarios are forthcoming.

didnt they revoke his licence after the Larry Donald fight?

Some states have, and he'd never be able to fight in the UK.

He seems to be suffering though his speech is definatly more slurred then it was

That was a while ago, wheelchair - 2004, I think? - and a repeat sadly doesn't seem to be on the horizon. He'll keep finding countries / states to licence him for a while yet, I'd imagine.

88Chris05 wrote:That was a while ago, wheelchair - 2004, I think? - and a repeat sadly doesn't seem to be on the horizon. He'll keep finding countries / states to licence him for a while yet, I'd imagine.

yeah it was 2004 i think he lost 4 fights in a row at that point

Povetkin would destroy Holyfield he is way too old. Someone should make him retire i reckon if he fought Klichko he would get killed like Apollo creed in Rocky 4.

Very poor match-up. Povetkin will win easily by a mid-round stoppage.

I don't think Atlas and Povetkin's team have any intention of ever putting their man in the ring with a Klitschko. Instead, they just seem to be waiting for the brothers to retire before any effort to step up a level.

I find it hard to judge Deontay Wilder. He's athletic and has some potential but his opponents have been even below bum status. I'm surprised that some of them even got hold of a boxing license.

Check out this video (against probably one of Wilder's better opponents):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY

I'm not sure what looks more ridiculous, Dustin's waistline or Wilder's
RJJ-esque showboating.

Oh my god what have i just saw, i mean Wilder looks pretty quick but then so would i against someone like that, he even makes butterbean look "athletic"

I saw that fight posted on here a while back. For a guy with 18 fights to his name, if that's the standard of opposition, don't think we can read too much into it yet.

That was Wilder's 11th fight and amazingly not the heaviest Dustin Nichols has weighed in for a fight according to boxrec he was 398lbs. In his last fight he weighed in at 450lbs.

I've just looked on Boxrec at that Dustin Nichols fella apparently he boxed a guy called Sugi Foxx and when he was hit with a right hand in the 1st round he walked out the ring thats one of the funniest things i've ever read

I missed that. Some tough opposition then.

Did you see he fought a guy DeMarcus Milton who weighed in at 325lbs and Nichol was 360lbs. They must have had to reinforce that ring.

That was the 2nd time Foxx has quit apparently. He hasn't fought since the Nicholls fight in December 2009. It must have been some punch. If the guy put all his weight behind it Foxx is lucky to be alive that would be like getting hit with a semi-detatched house.

hahaha yeah i was just thinking about how they must of looked in the ring, talk about about being able to see the punches coming bet it was like watching a slow motion replay i bet they were both gassed about 30 seconds in

I'm trying to find out if that was the highest combined weight of any heavyweight fight.

I may pay tribute to Foxx i mean 0-7(7)-0 what a record, they must of just plucked him out of a random gym everytime he fought, to be fair tho there are some truly terrible boxing records have you seen Reggie Stricklands?

That semi-detached comment is quality, laughed out loud at work which is never good especially when you sit alone

Nicholls v. Foxx : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfdAlM6Xi4Q

Probably, Gabe Brown's heaviest was 657.

tommyhearnsprodigalson wrote:I may pay tribute to Foxx i mean 0-7(7)-0 what a record, they must of just plucked him out of a random gym everytime he fought, to be fair tho there are some truly terrible boxing records have you seen Reggie Stricklands?

I've heard Strickland is half decent, just doesn't train or try to win.

Evander Holyfield must owe some serious money, that's all i have to say.

is he? must be one of them "record doesn't show what a decent boxer he is"

tommyhearnsprodigalson wrote:is he? must be one of them "record doesn't show what a decent boxer he is"

I haven't seen him but I don't think he's as bad as the record suggests, obviously not championship calibur though either.

How about this feller...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=58549&cat=boxer

"No scales big enough to weigh Samuel Panetu. Estimated weight 250 Kilos."

(250kgs is 550lbs)

Union Cane wrote:Nicholls v. Foxx : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfdAlM6Xi4Q

Union i can honestly say thats one of the worst examples of boxing i have ever seen, i can never unwatch that!! truly shocking

No scales big enough? fair do's though to Samuel Panetu, at least he completed the 4 rounds he must of been to heavy to knock out or the other guy wasn't a puncher

prettyboykev wrote:I'm trying to find out if that was the highest combined weight of any heavyweight fight.

Not close it seems:

Butterbean 417.5 vs Siciliano 313.5 731
James Gaines 306 vs Carl Chancellor 424 730
Frank Finnegan 464 vs Josh Waters 265 729

i Thought a butterbean fight would be in there somewhere

Scottrf wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:I'm trying to find out if that was the highest combined weight of any heavyweight fight.

Not close it seems:

Butterbean 417.5 vs Siciliano 313.5 731
James Gaines 306 vs Carl Chancellor 424 730
Frank Finnegan 464 vs Josh Waters 265 729

I found a few was just about to post them. I thought you might help me out on that one mate.

Wilder can move. That's one thing I'll say for the kid - he's got nice footwork and he's quick - especially for a HW. However - he hasn't been boxing long (only 30something fights before his Olympics bronze I believe?)

As such - he needs lots and lots of these "low-level" fights - because he's years behind the experience level of a Fury or a Chisora. Fury walks all over him at the moment - however if both could reach full potential - that would probably make for an interesting fight.

For the record - Evander-Povetkin a disgrace. Evander can kill himself in the ring if he so chooses, but I won't pay to watch it. A true warrior - but a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. Epically poor choices by the bushel.

Deontay Wilder = this decade's Michael Grant.

As for Evander-Povetkin, it's just sad. Still, as it's likely to be an easy night for Povetkin maybe that will FINALLY convince Evander he should walk away?

Povetkin will retire Holyfield for him

im not sure he will Liam Holy just doesnt want to retire whatever happens