15-5-9

These were the scores for me on holes 10-12 in today's medal.

I need to know how did you get a 15?

Missed a four footer for a 14.

{I'll get ma coat}

More importantly the 15 how may over for that individual hole doon

5 off the tee.

Another 3 reloads after the 6th, but found 1st reload in bunker.

5 shots in the bunker.

1 chip

1 putt

P.S. It was a par 4.

Tough luck Merc must almost have been a Hamlet moment for you. More importantly though how did you finish for holes 13-18?

1GrumpyGolfer wrote:Tough luck Merc must almost have been a Hamlet moment for you. More importantly though how did you finish for holes 13-18?

13. Double
14. Bogey
15. Par
16. Par
17. Bogey
18. Par

Gross: 98

Believe it or not, I went out again in the afternoon and shot 81 gross with par 4s on both 10 and 12 which, incidentally, are S.I. 1 and 2.

10 and 12 are SI one and two? Guess your course doesn't follow the recommendations for SI allocation

Davie wrote:10 and 12 are SI one and two? Guess your course doesn't follow the recommendations for SI allocation

As 11 should be S.I. 3 but is actually S.I. 8, I guess they do.

Not really as the recommendations say odds and evens should be on opposite nines and the index 1 and 2 should be in the middle of 9s

BTW I know how you feel about the 15-5-9 sequence. I made reference a few weeks ago on the "how did your game go today" thread about me finishing 11-7-11 (on par 5-3-5). Next day in a casual bounce game I finished 6-3-5 - 15 shots better on just those three holes!

Davie wrote:Not really as the recommendations say odds and evens should be on opposite nines and the index 1 and 2 should be in the middle of 9s

BTW I know how you feel about the 15-5-9 sequence. I made reference a few weeks ago on the "how did your game go today" thread about me finishing 11-7-11 (on par 5-3-5). Next day in a casual bounce game I finished 6-3-5 - 15 shots better on just those three holes!

Any idea what percentage of clubs follow those guidelines?

Sorry Merc I don't know. I do find it quite noticable though that when I play a course previously unknown to me, the odds and evens are usually on separate nines - and the SI 1 and 2 are usually around 5,6 and 13,14 so many seem to follow them.

Many people here will know how much this is a bugbear to me about SI not being a "degree of difficulty" - I take note of SI distribution every course I play

S.I. should be about the degree of difficulty, though.

It's a crazy idea for it not to be.

If the issue is Matchplay, every course should have two sets of S.I.s.

Actually, no they shouldn't. The holes where shots are given in Matchplay should be the holes a person would get them in Stableford. That's far fairer.

Merc - we've been through this plenty of times before.

Degree of difficulty is too subjective. The SI 18 at my course is a REALLY difficult hole for the higher handicappers. The SI 1 is tough for the good players (to par) but not a difficult bogey which suits the higher handicappers.

SI should never really make a difference in strokeplay (except perhaps in Stableford and only then if there is the chance of more than double bogeys)

Someone mentioned on here recently that in the past Stableford comps were effectively played off scratch - then points equivalent to their handicap were added on at the end. Similar to medals really (which it is - a Stableford
is only really a modified medal)

I've never really understood the point of two sets of SI - SI should only really matter in matchplay anyway

Davie wrote:Merc - we've been through this plenty of times before.

Degree of difficulty is too subjective. The SI 18 at my course is a REALLY difficult hole for the higher handicappers. The SI 1 is tough for the good players (to par) but not a difficult bogey which suits the higher handicappers.

SI should never really make a difference in strokeplay (except perhaps in Stableford and only then if there is the chance of more than double bogeys)

Someone mentioned on here recently that in the past Stableford comps were effectively played off scratch - then points equivalent to their handicap were added on at the end. Similar to medals really (which it is - a Stableford
is only really a modified medal)

I've never really understood the point of two sets of SI - SI should only really matter in matchplay anyway

I refuse to accept that degree of difficulty is too subjective. There are the results of thousands of rounds played which will show the difficulty of a hole in relation to others on the course.

I'm not sure why you're saying S.I. should only matter in Matchplay - you highlighted above how it has an effect on Stablefords. You would not always get the same Stableford score using the old method instead of the current method. That person who mentioned how Stablefords used to work was yours truly, btw.