Lions Tour 2013

Will there be any Scots or English players on the tour. Richie Gray and Ben Foden maybe but thats about it -well maybe Kelly Brown and Ross Ford.

It's in 2013, and yes there will be plenty.

Thanks English - I really should engage brain more

Easy mistake, for a second there I admit I panicked. If it was next year, it probably would be only Foden and Gray

Hmmm Ford, Gray, Brown, a Scotish 9, Evans has been looking dangerous too would like to see him in an attack minded team.

Cole, Hartley (unfortunatly), Lawes, Haskell (unfortunatly), Youngs, Flood, Tualangi (unfortunatly), Foden

In the tour squad? I'd expect by then that Hartley, Cole, Lawes, Youngs, Tuilagi, Foden and Ashton would be on the tour. Granted, I'm not sure which of them would make the starting XV (maybe just Foden and Tuilagi right now), but they'd be in the party at least.

Please dont take any Welsh boys on the tour, it always messes Wales up badly when our players return with their bodies in pieces.

Thats normally a France Grand slam year.

Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

I'm glad you had a nice time. In rugby terms it's an irrelevance now.

i think its abit patronizing really and we cant win either way.

However if it was a LIONS v tri nation gel then id be well up for it

God almighty if Hartley, Ashton, Tuilangi and The Brand go it will be some bar bill !

surely thats all it is right- a lads trip ,and the result isnt even important lol- so no pressure..

There is no way Hartley should go on a Lions tour !

After the "English" Flutey went last time I would hate to see any more of their hired guns getting selected.If you are to maintain the British and Irish Lions surely it should do what it says on the label.

Casartelli wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

I'm glad you had a nice time. In rugby terms it's an irrelevance now.

In what sense do you think it's an irrelevance? The players love it. It was an absolutely huge event last time, and a couple of the best test matches there have been for ages. Just because we haven't won the last few doesn't make it irrelevant. I'd say that with some of the guys coming through for all four home nations it's set up to be a brilliant series against Australia in 2013.

If I was picking a team to play Aus tomorrow it would be:

15-9 Foden, North, BOD, Roberts, Bowe, Priestland, Phillips
1-8 Jenkins, Best, Jones, AW Jones, Gray, Ferris, SOB, Warburton
16-22 Jacobsen, Bennett, Charteris, Barclay, Murray, Hook, Shane.

No POC?

Looks about right Glas, though on WC form I think Kearney or maybe Halfpenny would get in ahead of Foden. And has Gray really looked ahead of POC AND Charteris? I think not personally.

Cole isn't even close to what Wales Ireland and Scotland have to offer
Hartley no seriously why?
Lawes is a show pony who can't man up.
Haskell not even close to the Welsh and Irish back row players and Brown for Scotland.
Youngs is seriously flakey and needs an armchair ride off his forwards.
Manu is mr one dimensional as prove in the World cup.
Ashton oh dear, we want players who work hard on the tour not hang around waiting for a run in with no defenders to beat,if we wanted a player to do that we would take Tom Croft.
Foden is another one trick pony who can't defend,mr catch the high ball run up to half way gets tackled gets turned over Penalty!

Anyway's whilst we are on the subject of Tom Croft the worlds best and fastest forward easily the best player in the game ever since Cipriani,
did he play in the World Cup?

Oh and please Tom Wood the next Richard Hill? not fit to shine the crafty gits shoes.

Really view there are ways of expressing your opinion without the snide provocations each and every time. Is there anyone other than your fellow Wales fans you can restrain yourself from spitting at in such a way?

No. The Ginger one isn't athletic enough to oust Gray/Charteris. AWJ can do the hard man stuff AND has the work rate of a back rower. Mind you, if it was SA or NZ he would be in.

England rugby are in serious lack of quality players,
well actually that's not a fair statement, England are in serious lack of quality coached players.
Look at Adam Jones a fat prop who was unfit and got a few pastings at scrum time in his early international career,but some good coaching and now the guy would be welcome to play for any club region or province in the world,

Adam still has weak sides to his game,for example i don't think he carries the ball enough,
but the right coaching has drawn the best out of him.

The longer England convince themselves that they are just a few clicks away from being world beater the more it will hurt them because they must find some quality coaches who actually have a clue.

Knowsit17 wrote:Really view there are ways of expressing your opinion without the snide provocations each and every time. Is there anyone other than your fellow Wales fans you can restrain yourself from spitting at in such a way?

I agree with your sentiments above mate but we all agree with views points.

You can't disagree with what he wrote. If you disagree comment. If you dislike, do as the rest of us do and don't comment.

The only people he winds up are the trolls.

Casartelli wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

I'm glad you had a nice time. In rugby terms it's an irrelevance now.

irelevant how? have you been on one...it is the unique rugby experience, the last great tour. if you have not been on one how can you comment on its relevance or otherwise?

maestemafia- lol he just loves to poke at us english- or do you think we are all trolls- he has also shown alot of ignorance in plenty of debates.

he is however spot on in his last post- but not spot on in reagrds to allways having a dig at the english(which the one previous was obviously trying to do)

I doubt if Hartley would go in front of Ford right now anyway !

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

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Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

bet its great fun- and you cant argue with that - for you fans and players- but i still feel like its abit outdated and patronizing to us NH lot

Converter wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

went with a mate, arranged it all ourselves. Went hunting, went on safari. Sourced tickets ourselves for all 3 tests. 3 weeks for 3k all in, best money i ever spent on rugby

mystiroakey wrote:maestemafia- lol he just loves to poke at us english- or do you think we are all trolls- he has also shown alot of ignorance in plenty of debates.

he is however spot on in his last post- but not spot on in reagrds to allways having a dig at the english(which the one previous was obviously trying to do)

I see...! You have history.

Well best to keep quiet then? There is no reason to be controversial or even obnoxious if no one notices. Ignore what you think is irrelevant debate what is worthwhile.


With regards to stating the facts he has about England he is only echoing every newspaper and many many English rugby fans.

If the situation was different, if there was an injustice as to why England were so unsuccessful at the RWC I would empathise with you more but England did not suffer from anything other than their own abilities.

I presume that if the accused is reacting to some type of Holly Wilaboobie for tat forum bunfight then it could well be due to the lack of appreciation of the achievements of his nation, Wales. A team the the large majority in the press see as finalist...!

The welsh may be carried away with the excitement of it all but so we should this is the best celebration of welsh rugby, the greatest opportunity to prove ourselves in thirty years.

mystiroakey wrote:

Converter wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

bet its great fun- and you cant argue with that - for you fans and players- but i still feel like its abit outdated and patronizing to us NH lot

In what way is it patronising ? It's one of the greatest traditions in rugby. As a Scotsman, I cheered myself hoarse throughout the first two tests without a Scottish player appearing. The Lions is unique and very much alive as long ago as 2009. Long may it continue.

he is pretty spot on when he comes to talking about englands problems i agree. but come on he is abit knarley about us english, its allways going to provoke reaction

I do like having a swipe at the English i admit but i do try to build the swipe around facts,
just banter tho guys one of my best friends, who i have the most in depth chats about rugby is English.

I do like having a swipe at the English i admit but i do try to build the swipe around facts,
just banter tho guys one of my best friends, who i have the most in depth chats about rugby is English.

Double post,strange.

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mystiroakey wrote:

Converter wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

bet its great fun- and you cant argue with that - for you fans and players- but i still feel like its abit outdated and patronizing to us NH lot

In what way is it patronising ? It's one of the greatest traditions in rugby. As a Scotsman, I cheered myself hoarse throughout the first two tests without a Scottish player appearing. The Lions is unique and very much alive as long ago as 2009. Long may it continue.

to play a team by filling the best from our home nations, really is patronizing to us. especially when we have very good teams that are apart of the thing.

There is only one side that benefits from lions matches from a rugby point of view- and that is who is playing us(obviously you fans love it, the players may love it, we probally make money out of it etc) but for the good of our own national teams- what are we getting from the games?

Agree that the Lions are a special team. I'm as passionate about the Lions as I am about my own country's team.

munkian wrote:There is no way Hartley should go on a Lions tour !

Who should then? Rees, Best and Hartley would be my 3.

mystiroakey wrote:

Converter wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

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Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

+ 1! Best rugby trip I've ever been on, mixing with fans from the other nations. Already paid deposit for 2013.

bet its great fun- and you cant argue with that - for you fans and players- but i still feel like its abit outdated and patronizing to us NH lot

In what way is it patronising ? It's one of the greatest traditions in rugby. As a Scotsman, I cheered myself hoarse throughout the first two tests without a Scottish player appearing. The Lions is unique and very much alive as long ago as 2009. Long may it continue.

to play a team by filling the best from our home nations, really is patronizing to us. especially when we have very good teams that are apart of the thing.

There is only one side that benefits from lions matches from a rugby point of view- and that is who is playing us(obviously you fans love it, the players may love it, we probally make money out of it etc) but for the good of our own national teams- what are we getting from the games?

Why do our own national teams have to get something out of it?

There is also the argument that whilst the cream of players from each nation are away it allows the natioanl teams to blood players in the places on their own summer tours.

The Lions is one of the few links with the history and traditional ethos of the game, and I for one hope that it is something that continues well beyond my lifetime.

whats everyones thoughts of making it a lions v tri-nations mix?

now that is something i would love to see

Not keen on that idea mystiroakey. I like it the way it is, and would not like to see the concept changed.

Fine, but the logistics on their side would be fraught. What would you call them - the Colonials?

Definitely.

Though I hope the lions are never scraped. It is the Lions and the BaaBaas that personify all that is important in the culture of rugby.

The players don't just train and play. They go to schools and colleges in all areas spreading and encouraging an interest in the sport. They lend their fame and identity to charity and good causes.

If we loose the lions we loose one of the only good things we kept from the amateur game.

I respect your historical love of the game- you lot are true fans of rugby and have passion for the ecentric within. I am just a fan of the game with not enough passion for what is historical- My passion is golf. One day i will get on that board, but i am bideing my time at present

This may sound patronising but why dont the Lions tour USA,Canada and the Pacific Islands.This would generate huge interest and help bring on the game in these areas.Just a thought.

I would be a good idea but it would never happen, it would slightly devalue the Lions, it could happen as a warm up tour though that might be an idea.

tomathy wrote:

Casartelli wrote:

Gatts wrote:

Casartelli wrote:Lions is a dead concept now. Corporate money-spinner and a chance for a clueless few to go on the 'trip of a lifetime'.

Nothing more.

as one of the clueless who went on the trip of a lifetime in 2009 i can assure you the lions concept is alive and well.

I'm glad you had a nice time. In rugby terms it's an irrelevance now.

In what sense do you think it's an irrelevance? The players love it. It was an absolutely huge event last time, and a couple of the best test matches there have been for ages. Just because we haven't won the last few doesn't make it irrelevant. I'd say that with some of the guys coming through for all four home nations it's set up to be a brilliant series against Australia in 2013.

The Lions tour is an absolutely fantastic event, its the second best thing on a four year rugby calender. How has it become irrelevant? Please explain to me? More than happy to be proved wrong. (The point of debate)

I think many of us(especially younger or newer fans to rugby) dont really get the lions, because the games arnt that important to us- there isnt much media or press pushing the games to us- its harder to relate to the team. I personally feel its abit patronizing that we should have to play the best of all of us to give one of the tri nations a game. I understand why you lot love it though and if i got into this game and played for a team from a young age i would probally feel the same.

its called the British Lions for a reason...how is that patronising? It is rugby history and tradition, the last great touring side. if you have neither in rugby you can't appreciate the significance of it