New England ODI team

With all the talk of changes in the ODI team, who would be in yours?

Personally I'd go with:

Cook(c)
Pietersen
Trott
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler/Bairstow(wk)
Patel/Stokes
Bresnan/Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

Only trouble is that that would entail Patel or Stokes having to bowl 10 overs unless Trott or KP chipped in. Might be a problem.

Totally Agree with your team.
Bresnan doesnt convince me fully.I would have Anderson in place of him.

Cook
Kieswetter
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Stokes
Patel
Woakes
Broad
Swann
Finn

If we are talking completely hypothetical e.g. You don't have to pick Cook, then this would be my side:

Kieswetter
KP
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan - Prefer him over Woakes for the bowling all rounder
Broad
Swann
Finn

Was a tight call between Taylor and Trott. I felt both couldn't play, and I just love Jimmy too much.

Kieswetter
Cook
Trott
KP
Morgan
Bell
Patel/Stokes
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

Fists of Fury wrote:Kieswetter
Cook
Trott
KP
Morgan
Bell
Patel/Stokes
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

Bell at 6?Why not swap him and Kieswetter?

I feel that Bell can manouevre the field better in the middle overs, and has the ability to hit the bigger shots at the end if necessary. He also plays spin very well in general.

Kieswetter's aggression is preferred at the top of the order, for me.

JDizzle wrote:If we are talking completely hypothetical e.g. You don't have to pick Cook, then this would be my side:

Kieswetter
KP
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Patel
Bresnan - Prefer him over Woakes for the bowling all rounder
Broad
Swann
Finn

Was a tight call between Taylor and Trott. I felt both couldn't play, and I just love Jimmy too much.

Looking at some other people's teams, I have realised that I can have Stokes play instead of Patel on pitches that are not spinning e.g. bat at 7, and then Trott can play three with Taylor at 4/5 depending on the situation with Morgan maybe getting a promotion. Don't know why, just didn't consider Stokes batting as low as 7!

Bell at 6 was an absolute disaster against SL earlier this summer.His s/r was in the 60s and he struggled against the spinners.He can play spin but he should start against pace.Bell has got a far better technique to face the new ball than Kies.Kies should bat at 7 and slog a few late order runs.

Against high quality pace attacks I'd say you're right, Shanky.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Totally Agree with your team.
Bresnan doesnt convince me fully.I would have Anderson in place of him.

Cook
Kieswetter
Trott
KP
Morgan
Stokes/Buttler/Bairstow/Taylor
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson/Borthwick (depending on conditions)

Cook
Kieswetter
Trott
KP
Morgan
Bopara
Patel/Buttler/Stokes
Swann
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson/Borthwick

1) I.Bell (c)
2) S. Davies (wk)
3) A. Hales
4) J. Taylor/J. Hildreth
5) E. Morgan
6) J. Buttler
7) B. Stokes (if seaming pitch)/S. Patel (if spinning pitch)
8) T. Bresnan
9) S. Broad
10) G. Swann
11) S. Finn

Water boy: K. Pietersen

Bowlers:
Finn - 10 overs
Broad - 10 overs
Bresnan - 10 overs
Swann - 10 overs
Stokes/Patel - 10 overs
And Hales/Taylor can chip in if needed

There we go, like the look of that side

No KP? You do surprise me, Gregers.

He's there now Fists lol

you could have spelt his name right...

Oops

Haha

Water boy has his name spelt right again now

Pietersen
Cook
Trott
Taylor
Morgan
Kieswetter
Patel
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Anderson

Buttler
Stokes
Finn
Borthwick

Ideally we could do with a top 6 of:

Morgan
Morgan
Morgan
Morgan
Morgan
Morgan

strauss
KP
trott
morgan
stokes
buttler
patel
bresnan
swann
broad
anderson

Strauss has retired from ODI's

i know

hes still a current england player tho and this was meant to be a thread about who you would pick now if it was your choice

hes a better ODI batsman than cook and a better captain

Well in that case then I'd have tresco opening

hes not really a current england player tho

strauss still is under a central contract

i do get the point , i just think it was a mistake for strauss to retire from ODIs and have been very unimpressed by cook as captain since he took over

yes but strauss has retired, therefore he wont be back in the team, therefore we need to move on from him. He didnt do a great job as odi skipper anyway. Yes he did better than cook is doing, but he didnt exactly set the world alight did he..

Again I'd like to put forward my team of 6 Morgans... Hell lets go for 7 with one of them wickie-ing

Cook
Trott/KP
KP/Trott
Taylor
Morgan
Patel/Stokes(depending on the conditions)
Buttler/Kieswetter(wk)
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson

Thoughts plz?

cricketfan90 wrote:yes but strauss has retired, therefore he wont be back in the team, therefore we need to move on from him. He didnt do a great job as odi skipper anyway. Yes he did better than cook is doing, but he didnt exactly set the world alight did he..

so having someone who is a poorer batsman in the format and a poorer captain is going to make us better ?

that defies logic

we need to be looking for ways to make the team better than it was under strauss , not worse

Rich
How about Morgan as captain then and bring in Hales to open the batting?

hales hasn't looked that impressive in t20s yet tbh so promoting him into ODIs would be too much of a risk imo

we're gonna be stuck with cook as captain for a while i think, hes been groomed for so long as a future captain they wont just abandon him overnight, i just hope that a realistic alternative for the test captaincy comes along before strauss quits altogether, i would expect strauss to stick around for the back to back ashes in 2013 tho, form allowing

Really hope Strauss recovers his batting form too.

I personally dont mind Cook opening the batting for us in ODIS but I think he is a terrible captain.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:I personally dont mind Cook opening the batting for us in ODIS but I think he is a terrible captain.

I have an incline that some of his team mates agree with you.

Eng's best chance of winning ODIs is if they play the same team that plays tests.

Increasingly bits and pieces players are being relegted to T20s....and ODIs skill set requirements are tending towards test matchs skills.

i dont necessarily agree that strauss was out of form last year, he got out to some very very good deliveries and was making big scores in county cricket every time he played in between tests

he just played the odd bad shot which i dont think is the same thing to being out of form

rich1uk

Sorry, but Strauss has been pretty poor with the bat for quite some time now & there have been far too may "bad shots".

i am not saying that he has contributed enough with the bat , merely that i dont agree he was out of form , someone who wasn't in form wouldn't have just immediately piled on big runs in county cricket in the way he did

maybe its just my definition of being out of form , you can be in form and still not make a big score

rich1uk

You can indeed be in form & not make a big score, but it's not much of a consolation. To be frank, I can't see him lasting as long as he might want & things could come to a head next summer - he's been awful against South Africa since that first tour & I won't be surprised if Morkel makes him his bunny.

i agree it is a worry especially given the comments i made above that if strauss was to lose his place in the team based on form we would have no choice but to make cook captain and we also dont have an obvious replacement to open in tests either

Cook
Kieswetter
Bell
KP
Morgen
Bopara
Patel
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

amanuensis wrote:rich1uk

You can indeed be in form & not make a big score, but it's not much of a consolation. To be frank, I can't see him lasting as long as he might want & things could come to a head next summer - he's been awful against South Africa since that first tour & I won't be surprised if Morkel makes him his bunny.

I might have misunderstood you, but Strauss was awesome in his first tour of SA? If you mean since then, then yes he has been poor against SA but he was exceptional in that first tour he had.

And his form isn't that bad for concern yet. Struggled against Pakistan last summer, but everyone did apart from Trott and Strauss got runs against Bangladesh before that. Had a decent tour of Aus (Avg. 44), rubbish against SL (6.75) but he didn't get much of a bat and wasn't needed to much! And then against India (39) he was decent without being exceptional. So I don't think their is too much pressure on him yet!

JDizzle

He's managed just 1 ton in his last 40 test innings - that's poor. His record over the last 2 years reads:

34 innings
1 hundred
8 fifties
1074 runs @ 32.55

That makes him England's worst batsman in that time, behind Collingwood (who had to pack it in) & Morgan (rookie), despite facing a lot of less than top quality bowling. It really doesn't matter how you try to spin it - he's basically been poor.

No need for the language, amanuensis, but you make a valid point that Strauss has been in poor form.

Hmmm I've seen worse records to be honest. It's poor, but the average is still just about OK, in the sense that by and large as an opener he's been doing his job and seeing off the new ball. Would like him to kick on more though, he used to have one of the best conversion rates...

Mad for Chelsea

It shouldn't be remotely OK in this day & age, particularly when you consider the general quality of the bowling he's faced.

hang on, he's faced Pakistan and SA in that time hasn't he? They have the best attacks apart from England, or is that a comment about the general lack of good bowling attacks around? While I agree it's poor, I don't think it's disastrous either, especially as no other openers are really putting their hands up for selection, and he's our captain. For me, he's still in the top two openers in England, and as mentioned he gets loads of runs whenever he goes back to County cricket. One of the best things about the current England set-up is we don't drop people for the odd bad series.

i dont think its enough to see his place under serious threat tho

we dont have an obvious replacement to open in tests and he has done a good job as captain of a very successful team

he averaged 73 for middlesex last year as well as making a couple of scores of 78 and 109* playing for somerset in the india tour match so i dont see anyone in county cricket who you could say will do better