Tigers' season over?

With a petty much full their available teams fielded on the days.

The draw at home vs LI

And failing to get a BP away vs the bottom side in the Rabo.

Are the Tigers a spent force?

Think, pause, type. Works every time.

Portnoy stop trying to WUM yourself.

Theres always the LV=why bother cup and the chance of dropping in the Amlin. The Jeff is onky over to those like yourself who refuse to believe the playoffs exist.

Portnoy wrote:With a petty much full their available teams fielded on the days.

The draw at home vs LI

And failing to get a BP away vs the bottom side in the Rabo.

Are the Tigers a spent force?

Any chance that you could resubmit this in English, Portnoy? Cheers

2003/04 finished 5th in Premiership. Won 11, Drew 3, Lost 8.
2nd in HC pool with 3 wins. (Behind Stade, ahead of Ulster)

2007/08 just sneaked into 4th place.
2nd in HC pool with 3 wins. (Behind Toulouse, ahead of Leinster)

Who knows there may be a cycle appering here. (which doed feed your Paranoia Portnoy )


Tigers are not a spent force.
Injuries and international call-ups have been an issue. So has the defence. This has been a problem since ALrder left.

Tigers will struggle this season - but can still make the play-offs and the 1/4 finals of HC. Hard, but not impossible.

Get a grip man! Tigers are going through a rough patch. Someone's going to get the backlash. Will it be Ulster?

Beat Ulster and you will have 2 from 2.

Tigers will be fine. You'll probably make the playoffs and from there you cannot count out Leicester.

When we get some centres back all will be fine!

Portnoy.

1. This is the international forum not club

2. We're not welsh It's not the end of the world just because we're having a rough patch so stop with the despair & gnashing of teeth. Once we can get some stability (and some of our injured players) back into the team we will improve.

We're doomed, doomed I tell yer!.....but maybe not.

Whats going on Portnoy? Is this another post in long line of "Wum and run" tradition?

You seem to have switched from quality to quantity since the old 606.

Yeah, they're gonners all right, they'll be tussling with Worcester to avoid relegation and finish last in their HC Pool.

Hows Niall Morris doing? he scored on the weekend right?

Just wondering how the leinster academy is progressing?

Seriously though would like an update on Morris if you have one

Whilst every other nation (apart from France (and possibly Scotland)) does everything to support a structure to promote national success without devaluing their component sides.

In France the enormous wage cap facilitates a dangerously football-like over-spend along the lines of Leeds United.

In England the wage cap works in a different way - nothing to do with affordability - just an arbitrary mechanism to maintain the pretence of an even deal amongst the top clubs. But in order to jubjustify it, clubs have to play throughout IWs and go through to playoffs.

In Scotland they chose to go along the Celtic/ML/Rabo franchise line - and the only result has been negative (culminating in this year's RWC).

I knew it wouldn't be long until you dragged up how unfair the wage cap, IW's and play offs are Portnoy.

In answer to your original question, no, the Tigers season is nowhere near being over!

Golden wrote:Hows Niall Morris doing? he scored on the weekend right?

Just wondering how the leinster academy is progressing?

Seriously though would like an update on Morris if you have one

He is quick and certainly knows where the try line is, but never seems to leave his spot to support others His defensive positioning has been poor - not helped by the rest of the rest of the backs.

I would love to be proven wrong - but I cannot see him developing into an International player.

Tigers season is only just starting, is the better way to put it.

Ozzy3213 wrote:I knew it wouldn't be long until you dragged up how unfair the wage cap, IW's and play offs are Portnoy.

In answer to your original question, no, the Tigers season is nowhere near being over!

Although many of us wish it ws and we could bury this sad affair filed under "world cups ruin rugby for the real fans"

I suspect theres plenty more pain to come yet. Tigers desperatly need the win against Ulster, and whilst favourites Id say its far froma foregone conclusion even with more players coming back.

p.s. some Jeff rugby fans don't, never have and probably never ever will accept the playoffs as a means of deciding the champions' accolade.

I know - - again!

Sorry.

That is an attitude that used to apply to many Tigers fans. However everyone I spoke to at Twickenham back in May, and at Welford Road hail Saracens as thw champions.

LondonTiger wrote:That is an attitude that used to apply to many Tigers fans. However everyone I spoke to at Twickenham back in May, and at Welford Road hail Saracens as thw champions.

One day my penny will drop.

I have no problem with a money-spinning playoff - crowned as playoff champions. As apart from league champions.

The 2nd-5th teams in the Jeff can take a shot (if they feel so inclined) to have a mini-tourney to challenge the league champions whoever they are at Twickers.

So long as the league is played outside the IWs.

Portnoy wrote:With a petty much full their available teams fielded on the days.

Errrr.....what?

Literally could be here all day and not know what that means.

Portnoy just to remind you specifically that we won more games than you last season in the AP and beat you three times. If you Portnoy wants to claim that Tigers are the real champions then you are on your own. A lone

Of course you'll say you would have won every game with a full strength team but how can you know that? Also I know it sounds insane but injuries do happen! They cannot be turned on and off like a tap.

If London Irish keep up the good work they can claim themselves to be champions too as they have the most bonus points this season.


London Tiger.

I can understand why you dislike playoffs but everyone is playing to the rules. Top 2 is the target at the beginning of the season.

Why not have numerous titles?

Playoff champion

Top of the league champion

Most wins champion

Bonus points champion

The wooden spoon for the team with the least amount of wins

bluestonevedder wrote:

Portnoy wrote:With a petty much full their available teams fielded on the days.

Errrr.....what?

Literally could be here all day and not know what that means.

Sorry bluestone,

With a pretty much their best available teams fielded on the day.

I've amended the OP.

Portnoy wrote:

Sorry bluestone,

With a pretty much their best available teams fielded on the day.

I've amended the OP.

No worries, cheers for enlightening me! I think Tigers' season is far from over. They proved that will their fully fit squad, they're now capable of churning out wins in the fashion that we're used to. Just have to make sure that we don't throw away games because of stupid penalties. Play rugby the way we are used to. As soon as Manu is back I think our back line might show a bit more volatility, but until then, I think we must see forward-dominated game plans.

Portnoy wrote:With a petty much full their available teams fielded on the days.

Did you Google Translate that from Flemish?

Portnoy no one can take you seriously when you come up with things like questioning whether Tigers season is over. Of course it isn't over. It's only just beginning. Plenty of rugby to go and undefeated since getting your boys back from the world cup.

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[quote="beshocked"

1]Portnoy just to remind you specifically that we won more games than you last season in the AP and beat you three times. If you Portnoy wants to claim that Tigers are the real champions then you are on your own. A lone

2Of course you'll say you would have won every game with a full strength team but how can you know that? Also I know it sounds insane but injuries do happen! They cannot be turned on and off like a tap.

3If London Irish keep up the good work they can claim themselves to be champions too as they have the most bonus points this season.


London Tiger.

I can understand why you dislike playoffs but everyone is playing to the rules. Top 2 is the target at the beginning of the season.[/quote]


1 How many times have they played outside IWs? (p.s. I've lost count of my requests for you to provide a breakdown by country of your club's losses to RWC international duty)

2 Available side (according to competition).

3 LI can also claim to hold the primacy in the TC/citings count.

I couldn't give a shoite (as a sports fan) who wins the League so long as every team gets an even break.

p.s. the playoff winners could be rewarded with the Jeff Cup.

beshocked wrote:

1]Portnoy just to remind you specifically that we won more games than you last season in the AP and beat you three times. If you Portnoy wants to claim that Tigers are the real champions then you are on your own. A lone

2Of course you'll say you would have won every game with a full strength team but how can you know that? Also I know it sounds insane but injuries do happen! They cannot be turned on and off like a tap.

3If London Irish keep up the good work they can claim themselves to be champions too as they have the most bonus points this season.


London Tiger.

I can understand why you dislike playoffs but everyone is playing to the rules. Top 2 is the target at the beginning of the season.

1 How many times have they played outside IWs? (p.s. I've lost count of my requests for you to provide a breakdown by country of your club's losses to RWC international duty)

2 Available side (according to competition).

3 LI can also claim to hold the primacy in the TC/citings count.

I couldn't give a shoite (as a sports fan) who wins the League so long as every team gets an even break.

p.s. the playoff winners could be rewarded with the Jeff Cup.

In a word - No.

International call up's during the WC and injuries have hit hard but it is only temporary - they will be in the mix by the business end of the season on at least one front (the AP). Not sure about Europe.

Portnoy I already posted the breakdown for you at least once. If you didn't read it then tough. I can't keep posting it for you.

I think the last 4 matches against Leicester in the AP were all outside the international windows. Please correct me if you think I am wrong. You were missing players but that was either from injury,suspensions or simply by choice.

It's injuries which let you down. Can hardly blame anyone on that.

You are the only Tigers fan on here who whines about the playoffs and how hard done the Tigers are by them. Fair play to the other Tigers for not following suit.

They might not like the playoffs either but they don't blame their losses on IWs or injuries. They blame it on the players simply not playing well enough.

You don't hear any Saints fans moaning about the playoffs do you?

It is virtually impossible for each side having every single of your best players for each match available.

I think the last 4 matches against Leicester in the AP were all outside the international windows.

1 in the RWC, 1 at Twickers, 1 during a none game 6N weekend (no England players but Castro available) and 1 game before a HEC double header where Tigers decided to rest players and got a TBP and a LBP. One close loss, one valient but ultimately always going to be a loss and two very poor performances leading to losses.

The match at Welford Road last season was during the 6Ns, with if I remember right Twelvetrees missing a penalty attempt with the last kick of the game that would have given us the win. We chose to rest players for the match at VR - something you have to do during a season.

I really felt that having Flood and Youngs back would give us the edge come the final, but I was wrong.

As someone who does not believe that points should be awarded for either losing (LBP) or artistic merit (TBP) then for me Sarries were clearly the champions. They won nmore matches and they beat us 3/3.

Ok fine.I meant these games:

The two at Twickenham. 2010 and 2011 AP finals.

Two games at WR. Debatably the first is IW but no 6 nations game was on that weekend so hypothetically you could have played your England boys. Is Croft not an England player? The second definitely isn't.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/english/9412910.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/08/leicester-saracens-premiership

Vicarage Road -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/8040072/Saracens-26-Leicester-Tigers-20-match-report.html



Resting players is the Tigers choice not ours.

Tigers didn't get a TBP I don't think - prove it.

Only the world cup match was during internationals matches taking part on the respective weekends.

Thank you LondonTiger

Beshocked,

I don't and never have purported to speak for the Tigers or any other Tigers' fan. I speak for myself.

I'm not too interested in head to heads. I'm interested in seeing a league played on equal terms - and let the best one win without the handicap of international call-ups.

p.s. sorry if you've already posted the LSA's RWC breakdown - I'll try and track it down...

Sam:

RWC is essentially IWs (during which 7 Jeff games were spent needlessly).
6Ns are In IWs (incl. 'free' weekend).

Nah we were not allowed to play the England squad members in march as part of teh EPS agreement they are not released on free weekends during the 6N.

Croft was injured against SA in the 2010 AIs and was only just coming back to fitness - hence why Wood played in the 6Ns.