SPOILER ALERTS - COMMENTARY/RESULTS - Molina vs Kirkland/Morales vs Garcia

Hey ladies and gents,

Dont know if anyone is still up, but im watching the bill i have put in the title.

Just wondering on peoples thoughts on whats happened so far?

Its round 4 of Molina vs Kirkland and Molina is an absolute stinker.

Constantly grabbing Kirkland EVERY 2 seconds. Throws a punch, misses, then grabs.

Messy work here.[b]

End of Round 4 and Molina is pounding Kirkland against the ropes, but yet STILL grabs and rushes in with his head. Where is the bloody ref?

Im thinking of turning this fight off. Molina has to be the most annoying fighter in the world. Whoever fights this guy is in for an absolute stink of a fight. Does this guy sell tickets?!? This fight is a joke along with the ref.

This is awful. He's nullifying kirklands power but what's the point in him winning of he's going to do it in this fashion. He's spoiling at every opportunity.

He beat cintron, but couldn't get a fight, and now I know why. He will probably win but why would Alvarez, cotto etc want to fight him

Exactly what i was thinking. Not fought since last July and we can all see why. Im not sure why the referee hasnt come in here and stopped this crap thats going on.

He will not get ANY fights to be fair.

Referee is having an absolute shocker.

Wow. Worst fight i have seen.

Ref's finally said something, a little late

what the hell just happened?

Dont See what molina is doing wrong, he's not going to want to bang with kirkland. It might not be the best fight for the fans but he's winning it. Dont hear the fans booing wlad when he does it every time. The worst thing about this fight is the commentary, apprantely kirkland should be allowed to fight his fight without the oppenent being allowed to stop him. wait what just happened!!! Refs had a mare their!!

What?

Molina has been DQ'd

Don't know why but was knocked down at the end of the round,

Kirkland is very lucky

I think its because his trainer came in during the count.

Kirkland very very lucky, it might have not been pretty but molina was winning that fight

I thought the bell had gone before his hand touched the canvas to be fair. Saying that, the 8 count was in progress and the trainer entered the ring so i presume that was why. Glad its over though, he has got away with it, but i guarantee Molina wont fight again. At all.

OP I think you might be best putting spoilers in your title, could get into trouble with the mods otherwise.

Kirkland won't rematch him, Lara won't, awful style and no-one will want a part of him. Easy to get cuts against and low reward, guy doesn't have a fan base at all

Boxing isnt golf!! Whats next banning a fighter because there gum shield is red not black!! The corner man made a honest mistake thinking the round was over because he heard the bell. Crack on with the fight it made no difference, no reason to stop a fight for that

Good 3rd round for Garcia, really biased commentary though for morales. He's started well but not that we'll, they sound like Garcia is on the end of a beating

The ref got himself out of the frying pan and into the kitchen. He should have warned Molina earlier. But the DQ was pure comedy gold.

Kirkland v Canelo would be fun. He'd lose but with Canelo's (and Kirdland's) dodgy chin, anything could happen.

Not so sure Alvarez has a dodgy chin, has looked far more comfortable at 154lbs than he ever was draining himself down to 150 or lower.

Maybe so. But getting badly rocked by Cotto doesn't bode well regardless of weight. Wasn't Cotto a JWW or big lightweight?

Cotto was a big powerful lightweight so combine that with being a very big light middleweight boiling down to 150lbs you're asking for trouble, since fighting at the full limit he looks more robust, wouldn't be surprised to see him move up fairly soon. He's only still at 154lbs because of Mayweather.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Cotto was a big powerful lightweight so combine that with being a very big light middleweight boiling down to 150lbs you're asking for trouble, since fighting at the full limit he looks more robust, wouldn't be surprised to see him move up fairly soon. He's only still at 154lbs because of Mayweather.

Doesn't Cotto have a low KO percentage? I didn't realise there were weight stips in their fight. The kid looks chinny to me.

It was an over the limit welterweight so not really any weight stipulations, Cotto has a fairly reasonable % of over 65.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:It was an over the limit welterweight so not really any weight stipulations, Cotto has a fairly reasonable % of over 65.

SO Canelo was a big WW fighting above the WW limit and he got badly rocked by a big lightweight fighting way above his limit.

I see you're in one of your more difficult moods. Get some rest and clear your thought processes mate.

Missed the point as usual I see, point being Alvarez should never have been fighting at Welterweight, he was far far too big for the weight.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Missed the point as usual I see, point being Alvarez should never have been fighting at Welterweight, he was far far too big for the weight.

He wasn't fighting at WW. 147 is the WW limit. You dont get the point you're making.

Good god.

Well? Was he fighting at the WW limit or not? Simple yes/no will do.

He was a Welterweight at the time fighting in an over the limit fight, since fighting at the full 154lb limit he has looked far more comfortable with the weight, even against Hatton at 150lbs he looked drain and not at his dynamic best. Being rocked once at a weight you are not comfortable with does not constitute having a dodgy chin in my opinion.

Boxrec is a beautiful thing. Against Cotto he was at his career heaviest (150). His subsequent 4 fights were all at 150. ota. He wasn't weight drained.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He was a Welterweight at the time fighting in an over the limit fight, since fighting at the full 154lb limit he has looked far more comfortable with the weight, even against Hatton at 150lbs he looked drain and not at his dynamic best. Being rocked once at a weight you are not comfortable with does not constitute having a dodgy chin in my opinion.

He's only just grown into the division. His fight prior to Hatton he weighed in at 149 (Ndou). He wasn;t weight drained. You're making stuff up again.

Boxrec is a beautiful when you haven't watched the fights, I for example could come to the wrong conclusion about Khan who from WATCHING his fights looks far more robust at light welterweight than he ever did at lightweight.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Boxrec is a beautiful when you haven't watched the fights, I for example could come to the wrong conclusion about Khan who from WATCHING his fights looks far more robust at light welterweight than he ever did at lightweight.

If he was weight drained, his handlers wouldn't risk their cash cow for 5 further fights. Khan moved up after 2 fights.

Obviously top rank wouldn't keep draining their cash cow down to middleweight either would they?

Think in some cases the size of the fighter negates some of problems with boiling down to a weight that isnt his. Chavez Jr is one of those.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Obviously top rank wouldn't keep draining their cash cow down to middleweight either would they?

Alvarez is not with TR.

ShahenshahG wrote:Think in some cases the size of the fighter negates some of problems with boiling down to a weight that isnt his. Chavez Jr is one of those.

He can still take a punch. Alvarez had no problem making 150 seeing as his previous fights were below that. Its not like asking Miguel Cotto to come down to 145. Saul came in at his career heaviest. Claiming weight making problems is an excuse at best or a flat out lie. But I know posters here dont lie to defend their favourites

Nor does he fight at middleweight, well done but I see Shah realised who I was talking about.

You can use Boxrec all you want Az but watching Alvarez's fights would be a better place to start, he since fighting at 154lbs looks better in every way.

Azania that probably cuz he just comes in under the cruiserweight limit Same with Mclennan - just took Jacksons punches. Too much weight cutting can effect you either immediatly like Roy or over a period of time - Mclennan, i'm not arguing the point - not really bothered either way just noting that it varies between fighters.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:You can use Boxrec all you want Az but watching Alvarez's fights would be a better place to start, he since fighting at 154lbs looks better in every way.

For me getting rocked by a fat LW means you are chinny. You can make up other excuses because you're a fanbot. I think he's exciting, good fighter but chinny.

Not excuses at all but I try to base my opinions on what I see and to me a fighter at the age of 19 being rocked once who has since looked more comfortable at a higher weight is not chinny. Ryan Rhodes a fairly big puncher at light middleweight landed cleanly a couple of times without hurting him, taking everything into account I feel that weight as well as age played a part in that.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Not excuses at all but I try to base my opinions on what I see and to me a fighter at the age of 19 being rocked once who has since looked more comfortable at a higher weight is not chinny. Ryan Rhodes a fairly big puncher at light middleweight landed cleanly a couple of times without hurting him, taking everything into account I feel that weight as well as age played a part in that.

I dont recall Rhodes landing cleanly or effectively on the chin. Each to their own though. Its all about opinions. I see Saul as an accident waiting to happen. That he is being seriously protected is telling also. His team have little confidence in his. Fighting SSM is a joke. Khan was abused when that fight was mooted.

I wouldn't say he's protected but competing in a fairly weak division where the only two fighters of any note are Cotto and Mayweather, he's a 21 year old who's progressing nicely. I don't think he's worthy of being a world champion which is my major negative of him but Rhodes and Cintron were both ranked contenders although the Mosley fight is a joke. He's more in the Cleverly mould than Khan at the moment, fairly unproven at the highest level while Khan was an established world champion.

Alvarez isn't chinny, since he's been at 154lbs fully he's taken some goodf shots without any problems, with the way people are talking about Cotto's little brother rocking him you'd think he was on his last legs and nearly out of it, he was a bit hurt and his legs trembled but he wasn't MAJORLY hurt.

Because you get rocked once at a weight he isn't comfortable at doesn't mean he is chinny Az, try watching a fight for once. Could almost guarentee you haven't even seen Alvarez/Cotto.

Molina was warned several times for holding and yet he gets away with it constantly throughout the fight,would have been a different fight if they had a better referee.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I wouldn't say he's protected but competing in a fairly weak division where the only two fighters of any note are Cotto and Mayweather, he's a 21 year old who's progressing nicely. I don't think he's worthy of being a world champion which is my major negative of him but Rhodes and Cintron were both ranked contenders although the Mosley fight is a joke. He's more in the Cleverly mould than Khan at the moment, fairly unproven at the highest level while Khan was an established world champion.

I have nothing against him but it irks me in the way he became a belt holder. You're right that he's in the Clev mould. I call that protected. If you're a champ you shouldn't be 'progressing'/ You should be fighting the best available. That certainly is not SSM.

Khan gets tremendous stick here from many, but at least he seeks the best and fights them.

AlexHuckerby wrote:Alvarez isn't chinny, since he's been at 154lbs fully he's taken some goodf shots without any problems, with the way people are talking about Cotto's little brother rocking him you'd think he was on his last legs and nearly out of it, he was a bit hurt and his legs trembled but he wasn't MAJORLY hurt.

Because you get rocked once at a weight he isn't comfortable at doesn't mean he is chinny Az, try watching a fight for once. Could almost guarentee you haven't even seen Alvarez/Cotto.

I dont think he boiled down seing as that fight was a cereer high weight. His next few fights were at the same weight. He was coming up from WW. I have my doubts about his chin.

I do think that some criticism of Khan is warranted, an established world champion like him should be seeking out a better opponent than Mosley, it's still a terrible match up for Alvarez but considering his current level it's an ever so slightly more reasonable.

There are nowadays three different levels of world champion;

Universally recognized like Ward at super middleweight
A genuine world champion like Khan or Froch
Paper champion like Cleverly

Alavarez for me falls somewhere inbetween the bottom two but closer to Paper than genuine.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:I do think that some criticism of Khan is warranted, an established world champion like him should be seeking out a better opponent than Mosley, it's still a terrible match up for Alvarez but considering his current level it's an ever so slightly more reasonable.

There are nowadays three different levels of world champion;

Universally recognized like Ward at super middleweight
A genuine world champion like Khan or Froch
Paper champion like Cleverly

Alavarez for me falls somewhere inbetween the bottom two but closer to Paper than genuine.

Khan fighting or even considering fighting SSM would be a joke and whoever set thatup is no boxing fan.

Sorry but I see Saul as a paper champ. He didn't fight a contender for the title and is having jokers as opponents.