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by **Ozzy3213** Tue 03 Jul 2012, 11:30 am

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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Bath Rugby	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2	Gloucester	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Harlequins	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Leicester Tigers	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5	London Irish	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6	London Wasps	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
7	London Welsh	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
8	Newcastle Falcons	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
9	Northampton Saints	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
10	Sale Sharks	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
11	Saracens	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
12	Worcester Warriors	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

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Waiting List
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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Driver Fri 06 Jul 2012, 1:49 pm

I think Big Phil is in there as Hask will be wanted to be that physical ball carrying 8 that England want but isn't ahead of Morgan and Waldrom.

He'll play a lot more at 8 for Saxons and learn the role and calls that England want him to learn.

by stnick88 Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:17 pm

agree we need lawes fit.
not sure on who should partner him though.

i thought skivington was probably tigers best lock last season, huge signing for irish.

by **Ozzy3213** Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:24 pm

Skivington is a good player who will be a very good signing for us, but I think the international boat has sailed for him to be honest.

by Driver Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:28 pm

He's about 29 isn't he? I didn't think he was that old but he must of took his time to break into Wasp's pack. Especially when they had a title winning engine room of Simon Shaw and Tom Palmer.

Tom Palmer for me if he was 5 years younger could of been a world class lock , He played for Leeds when i went to my first Falcons game and was immense. He got man of match for them despite being on the end of a 60 point Jonny Wilkinson thrashing lol.

by Driver Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:32 pm

Jesus he only played second half as well. Leeds and Falcons had some quality back in the day.

15 Anthony Elliott
14 Tom May
13 Mathew Tait (Toby Flood, 75)
12 Jamie Noon
11 Ollie Phillips
10 Jonny Wilkinson (captain, Joe Shaw, 70)
9 Hall Charlton (James Grindal, 51)

1 Jonny Williams (Micky Ward, 63)
2 Matt Thompson (Andy Long, 44)
3 Micky Ward (Robbie Morris, 40)
4 Andy Perry
5 Geoff Parling
6 Mike McCarthy (Greg Irvin, 70)
7 Ben Woods
8 Andy Buist (Ed Williamson, 61)

Leeds Tykes:

15 Roland De Marigny
14 David Doherty
13 Lee Blackett (Mark McMillan, 61)
12 Chris Jones (Chris Bell, 40)
11 Andy Rock (Andre Snyman, 50)
10 Gordon Ross (captain)
9 Danny Care

1 Kees Lensing (Danny Paul, 3)
2 Rob Rawlinson (Gordon Bulloch, 55)
3 James Isaacson
4 Chris Murphy
5 Scott Morgan
6 Jon Dunbar (Tom Palmer, 44)
7 Nathan Thomas (Sam Stitcher, 40)
8 Jordan Crane

Replacements:

16 Danny Paul
17 Gordon Bulloch
18 Tom Palmer
19 Sam Stitcher
20 Mark McMillan
21 Chris Bell
22 Andre Snyman

by 'Arry Spurs Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:36 pm

Looking for some deals lads

by dammit_chris Fri 06 Jul 2012, 2:43 pm

was always a big fan of Skivington at Wasps, he started slow at Tigers then was brilliant for them. would have loved him back at Wasps.

lawes for me is really important for England, defensively i think he is up there as best lock around, just need to see him carry the ball more.

by Driver Fri 06 Jul 2012, 3:00 pm

After some pretty good English qualified players if anyone fancies a deal.

by 'Arry Spurs Fri 06 Jul 2012, 3:35 pm

I'm up for a deal Driver...

by Driver Fri 06 Jul 2012, 3:41 pm

With your EQ?

by Driver Sat 07 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

Ben Youngs out till December but Tom Wood set to be fit for start of the season.

by Steven_Sharks Sat 07 Jul 2012, 9:16 am

Wood in the EPS a good sign

by Steven_Sharks Sat 07 Jul 2012, 1:11 pm

Will predict tomorrow.

Been without internet for a few days thus no tactics.

by Guest Sat 07 Jul 2012, 2:29 pm

Just watched the crusaders game. Great game. Why did sbw do that at the end??? Lost the match

by Driver Sat 07 Jul 2012, 2:34 pm

One of the best games i'v seen this year. SBW could become a all time great if he stuck at it instead of going on sabicals.

by Guest Sat 07 Jul 2012, 2:46 pm

Took his try well but that last play was a shocker

by Driver Sat 07 Jul 2012, 2:48 pm

He is so sick with his skills but he's decision making still needs work. He's a bit like Spencer.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 07 Jul 2012, 2:59 pm

Bad call, got white line fever. Hardly put a foot wrong all super season. Take away nothing from Crusaders their defence was superb

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 07 Jul 2012, 3:46 pm

Barnes played well today, such a better player from 12.

by Guest Sat 07 Jul 2012, 5:08 pm

He was great at 10 vs Wales. Prefer him at ten though

by dammit_chris Mon 09 Jul 2012, 11:47 am

Does anyone have a lineout lock available at all?

Potentially looking for a no8 too.

by Sgt_Pooly Mon 09 Jul 2012, 11:57 am

I have POC, Kruger & Parling potentially available for right deal

by **Ozzy3213** Mon 09 Jul 2012, 4:23 pm

Is anyone able to knock up a match thread for this weeks matches, I am on nights and really struggling for time.

Will get results done for round 1 tonight.

by 'Arry Spurs Mon 09 Jul 2012, 7:18 pm

Rocky Elsom is for sale.

by 'Arry Spurs Mon 09 Jul 2012, 9:25 pm

Luke Burgess is also available...

by Driver Tue 10 Jul 2012, 4:50 am

What's the Craic with me and London Welsh signings?

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Jul 2012, 11:49 am

Masi to Wasps

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2012-13/rugby/story/166954.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

by dammit_chris Tue 10 Jul 2012, 11:54 am

Wasps have got a pretty decent team for next year, for the first time in years we've made some really good signings and getting internationals back in the mix.

Masi will make all the difference to our backline, really rate him. Just hope they carry on playing Elliot Daly in the match day squad.

Only area I'm not confident in is our front row, think we've made one signing there - Italian international. We'll miss Webber a lot.

by stnick88 Tue 10 Jul 2012, 11:56 am

A lot of pressure on Lindsay now. Needs to sort out his set piece. His loose work is great.

Masi is a good signing, solid player and will be good for the youngens.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Jul 2012, 11:58 am

Lindsay's scrummaging is too rate, think he's a real talent personally (can say that now I don't have him!)

by dammit_chris Tue 10 Jul 2012, 12:07 pm

lindsay wont be first choice next year - they rate the Russian international very highly and have signed a Welsh international, with Dai Young that means he will play. Not sure how bright Lindsay is as a player, could be very good, but not sure atm.

Nathan Morris is a good prospect.

Only think I dont like about Wasps right now is that the vast majority of these signings are foreign - we've always looked at bringing through English talent and concerned this could impact on guys like Launchbury, Sam Jones, Elliot Daly etc.

by stnick88 Tue 10 Jul 2012, 12:11 pm

you need a blend though mate, youngsters getting beaten week in week out wont help their development. playing with experienced players will help.

that is one thing I think Irish did well last season, despite the team being c rap for most of it, youngsters like lahiff, joseph, yarde, sisi, shingler got good amounts of game time and played very well which will benefit them for this season.

by dammit_chris Tue 10 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm

I think with Wasps they've got 3 youngsters who are potentially very, very good - Launchbury, Wade and Daly (though can probably put Tommy Bell into that category now) - and whilst Masi is a good signing I think there are a few that could stop Daly getting game time, who aren't brilliant.

We've got about 6-7 centres now, would imagine first partnership will be Masi and Bell - and hopefully Daly on the bench. I think we've only really got Wade and Varndell as out and out wings though, let Haughton go at the end of the season - surprised he hasnt been picked up by anyone!

by Guest Tue 10 Jul 2012, 1:13 pm

Masi was possibly the worst signing ever for gloucester. He was dreadful when he was with us.

by **Ozzy3213** Wed 11 Jul 2012, 12:14 am

Summer tournament pool tables (are also on the summer tournament homepage for future reference.)

POS Pool One PLAYED WON DREW LOST P F P A P D T F T A TBP LBP POINTS
1 Newcastle Falcons 1 1 0 0 31 25 +6 4 3 1 0 5
2 Leicester Tigers 1 1 0 0 28 23 +5 3 2 0 0 4
3 London Irish 1 1 0 0 28 24 +4 3 2 0 0 4
4 Harlequins 1 0 0 1 24 28 -4 2 3 0 1 1
5 Saracens 1 0 0 1 23 28 -5 2 3 0 1 1
6 Gloucester 1 0 0 1 25 31 -6 3 4 0 1 1

POS Pool 2 PLAYED WON DREW LOST P F P A P D T F T A TBP LBP POINTS
1 Northampton Saints 1 1 0 0 29 17 +12 3 2 0 0 4
2 Bath Rugby 1 1 0 0 29 23 +6 3 2 0 0 4
3 Sale Sharks 1 1 0 0 28 23 +5 3 2 0 0 4
4 London Wasps 1 0 0 1 23 28 -5 2 3 0 1 1
5 Worcester Warriors 1 0 0 1 23 29 -6 2 3 0 1 1
6 London Welsh 1 0 0 1 17 29 -12 2 3 0 0 0

by Steven_Sharks Wed 11 Jul 2012, 7:25 am

Xavier Rush soon to retire apparently

by prop_lyd Wed 11 Jul 2012, 8:45 am

That could be a blow to the Blues. They do have Tom Young (son of Dai) who can play at 8 but only played a handful of games. And mainly been playing Welsh prem.

by stnick88 Wed 11 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

not so good for me, useful back up 8.

by 'Arry Spurs Wed 11 Jul 2012, 9:32 am

London Wasps players available:

Luke Burgess
Rocky Elsom
Matt Banahan
CJ Van Der Linde
Deon Stegmann

by stnick88 Wed 11 Jul 2012, 2:11 pm

Rush has confirmed retirement.

dam!

glad I bought that Tualala fella from NZ as gives me a bit of cover.

Hoping Sisi comes through as well as he can play there.

by prop_lyd Thu 12 Jul 2012, 9:10 am

Glos have signed Rob Cook from Pirates...........Steve: I thought he'd signed for Sale?

Matt: signing another full back do you think it's for cover for call ups seeing as we have Morgan, May and Thomas now or do you think Morgan's injury and recovery may not be going so well?

I'm happy with it, steady player who can cover 10 as well if needs be so guess that's extra cover for Burns.

by dammit_chris Thu 12 Jul 2012, 10:22 am

Mat/Nick/Pete = wasps signed Bailey from Lyon yesterday as a winger, i'm pretty sure he played for Gloucester and Irish before, is he any good, or will he just be there for cover?

by stnick88 Thu 12 Jul 2012, 10:34 am

he's useless mate

poor mans varndell....

by dammit_chris Thu 12 Jul 2012, 10:39 am

I thought he might be - don't get why we got rid of Haughton tbh, he played some really good rugby last season. Think it means that Jack Wallace might get some more game time this year, or that Elliot Daly could be seen as a winger.

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 12 Jul 2012, 10:42 am

Where did Haughton go Chris? He was fantastic at times last season

by dammit_chris Thu 12 Jul 2012, 11:08 am

He hasnt got a club as far as Im aware. Don't know how as he was ripping teams up last season for fun - the try he set up against Newcastle (I think) was brilliant.

by stnick88 Thu 12 Jul 2012, 11:38 am

he is a free agent still

cant belive no-one has snapped him up

by LukeLovesLuka Thu 12 Jul 2012, 3:22 pm

Afternoon guys, if anyone has a spare minute I could use some opinions on my best XV, including 5 EQ. Just type it on my page.

Unsure about what the best combos are.

Cheers in advance.

by Steven_Sharks Thu 12 Jul 2012, 4:44 pm

How do people rate Greg Laidlaw as a player? particularly in wet

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 12 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

Class act in all conditions

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POS	Pool One	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Newcastle Falcons	1	1	0	0	31	25	+6	4	3	1	0	5
2	Leicester Tigers	1	1	0	0	28	23	+5	3	2	0	0	4
3	London Irish	1	1	0	0	28	24	+4	3	2	0	0	4
4	Harlequins	1	0	0	1	24	28	-4	2	3	0	1	1
5	Saracens	1	0	0	1	23	28	-5	2	3	0	1	1
6	Gloucester	1	0	0	1	25	31	-6	3	4	0	1	1

POS	Pool 2	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Northampton Saints	1	1	0	0	29	17	+12	3	2	0	0	4
2	Bath Rugby	1	1	0	0	29	23	+6	3	2	0	0	4
3	Sale Sharks	1	1	0	0	28	23	+5	3	2	0	0	4
4	London Wasps	1	0	0	1	23	28	-5	2	3	0	1	1
5	Worcester Warriors	1	0	0	1	23	29	-6	2	3	0	1	1
6	London Welsh	1	0	0	1	17	29	-12	2	3	0	0	0