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It's a quarterback (carousel) league - AFC
by CFCNick Thu 23 Aug 2012, 9:40 pm
This article (silly calling this a thread, a thread requires discussion and this cold hard facts) is all about the many QB changes in the NFL since 1999 and why it’s sometimes a bad idea, and also how teams have fared in their endeavours for greatness.
Right before we get started I will answer the question that immediately springs to mind, MJ, why since 99? To which the answer is that 1999 was a huge year for change in this great league we follow.
The Bengals and Seahawks played their last seasons at Riverfront and the Kingdome, the Oilers left Memphis for Nashville and became the Titans, the Browns came back, it was the last season of Michael Irvin's, Dan Marino's and Steve Young's careers, the first season without John Elway, the last season before Belichick took over the Patriots, the first season of Andy Reid in Philly, the last time the Jags and Redskins won division titles, Kurt Warner emerged from nothing, Peyton Manning had his first 10+ win season, the Bills would lose the last three of their AFC dynasty players (Bruce Smith, Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas), and the Bills would also never see playoff football again.
Hope that answers why 1999.
There have been, not including the six new starters announced for the 2012 season, 339 changes of starting quarterbacks since week 1 of 1999, 155 in the AFC and 184 in the NFC. The Packers and Patriots have the fewest with 3 each and the Giants are next with 4, whilst the Dolphins have the most with 17 closely followed by the Bears with 17.
I’m taking a look into each teams regular season record each season and overall, and will then average them out between each QB who has started at least one game over the past 13 seasons and hopefully uncover why changing QBs isn’t always the necessary reaction to a bad season.
This is also for educational purposes so that new posters/fans can see what teams have been like for the last decade or so.
First up is the AFC East
AFC North
AFC South
AFC West
Will put up the NFC over the weekend.
Right before we get started I will answer the question that immediately springs to mind, MJ, why since 99? To which the answer is that 1999 was a huge year for change in this great league we follow.
The Bengals and Seahawks played their last seasons at Riverfront and the Kingdome, the Oilers left Memphis for Nashville and became the Titans, the Browns came back, it was the last season of Michael Irvin's, Dan Marino's and Steve Young's careers, the first season without John Elway, the last season before Belichick took over the Patriots, the first season of Andy Reid in Philly, the last time the Jags and Redskins won division titles, Kurt Warner emerged from nothing, Peyton Manning had his first 10+ win season, the Bills would lose the last three of their AFC dynasty players (Bruce Smith, Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas), and the Bills would also never see playoff football again.
Hope that answers why 1999.
There have been, not including the six new starters announced for the 2012 season, 339 changes of starting quarterbacks since week 1 of 1999, 155 in the AFC and 184 in the NFC. The Packers and Patriots have the fewest with 3 each and the Giants are next with 4, whilst the Dolphins have the most with 17 closely followed by the Bears with 17.
I’m taking a look into each teams regular season record each season and overall, and will then average them out between each QB who has started at least one game over the past 13 seasons and hopefully uncover why changing QBs isn’t always the necessary reaction to a bad season.
This is also for educational purposes so that new posters/fans can see what teams have been like for the last decade or so.
First up is the AFC East
- Spoiler:
- Buffalo Bills
Overall record 1999-2011: 87-121, per QB record: 8.7-12.1
Record each season: 11-5, 8-8, 3-13, 8-8, 6-10, 9-7, 5-11, 7-9, 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10
QBs
1. Doug Flutie - 20 games 1999-00
2. Rob Johnson - 20 games 1999-01
3. Alex van Pelt - 8 games 2001
4. Drew Bledsoe - 48 games 2002-04
5. Kelly Holcomb - 8 games 2005
6. J.P. Losman - 33 games 2005-08
7. Trent Edwards - 32 games 2007-10
8. Brian Brohm - 2 games 2009-10
9. Ryan Fitzpatrick - 37 games 2009-11
Miami Dolphins
Overall record 1999-2011: 101-107, per QB record 5.9-6.3
Record each season: 9-7, 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6, 4-12, 9-7, 6-10, 1-15, 11-5, 7-9, 7-9, 6-10
QBs
1. Dan Marino - 11 games 1999
2. Damon Huard - 6 games 1999-00
3. Jay Fielder - 59 games 2000-04
4. Ray Lucas - 6 games 2002
5. Brian Griese - 5 games 2003
6. A.J. Feely - 8 games 2004
7. Sage Rosenfels - 2 games 2004-05
8. Gus Frerotte - 15 games 2005
9. Joey Harrington - 11 games 2006
10. Daunte Culpepper - 4 games 2006
11. Cleo Lemon - 8 games 2006-07
12. Trent Green - 5 games 2007
13. John Beck - 4 games 2007
14. Chad Pennington - 20 games 2008-10
15. Chad Henne - 31 games 2009-11
16. Tyler Thigpen - 1 game 2010
17. Matt Moore - 12 games 2011
New England Patriots
Record each season: 8-8, 5-11, 11-5, 9-7, 14-2, 14-2, 10-6, 12-4, 16-0, 11-5, 10-6, 14-2, 13-3
Overall record 1999-2011: 147-61, per QB 49-20.3
QBs
1. Drew Bledsoe - 34 games 1999-01
2. Tom Brady - 159 games 2001-11
3. Matt Cassell - 15 games 2008
New York Jets
Record each season: 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 9-7, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 10-6, 4-12, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5, 8-8
Overall record 1999-2011: 107-101, per QB record: 11.8-11.2
QBs
1. Ray Lucas - 9 games 1999
2. Rick Mirer - 6 games 1999
3. Vinny Testaverde - 48 games 1999-05
4. Chad Pennington - 61 games 2002-07
5. Quincy Carter - 3 games 2004
6. Brooks Bollinger - 8 games 2005
7. Kellen Clemens - 9 games 2007-09
8. Brett Favre - 16 games 2008
9. Mark Sanchez - 47 games 2009-11
AFC North
- Spoiler:
- Baltimore Ravens
Record each season: 8-8, 12-4, 10-6, 7-9, 10-6, 9-7, 6-10, 13-3, 5-11, 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 12-4
Overall record 1999-2011: 124-84, per QB record: 9.54-6.46
QBs
1. Tony Banks - 18 games 1999-00
2. Stoney Case - 4 games 1999
3. Scott Michael - 2 games 1999
4. Trent Dilfer - 8 games 2000
5. Elvis Grbac - 14 games 2001
6. Randall Cunningham - 2 games 2001
7. Jeff Blake - 10 games 2002
8. Chris Redman - 6 games 2002
9. Kyle Boller - 42 games 2003-07
10. Anthony Wright - 14 games 2003-05
11. Steve McNair - 22 games 2006-07
12. Troy Smith - 2 games 2007
13. Joe Flacco - 64 games 2008-2011
Cincinnati Bengals
Record each season: 4-12, 4-12, 6-10, 2-14, 8-8, 8-8, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 4-11-1, 10-6, 4-12, 9-7
Overall record 1999-2011: 85-122-1, per QB record: 10-15-0.13
QBs
1. Jeff Blake - 12 games 1999
2. Akili Smith - 17 games 1999-02
3. Scott Mitchell - 5 games 2000
4. Jon Kitna - 46 games 2001-04
5. Gus Frerotte - 3 games 2002
6. Carson Palmer - 97 games 2004-10
7. Ryan Fitzpatrick - 12 games 2008
8. Andy Dalton - 16 games 2011
Cleveland Browns
Record each season: 2-14, 3-13, 7-9, 9-7, 5-11, 4-12, 6-10, 4-12, 10-6, 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12
Overall record 1999-2011: 68-140, per QB record: 4.25-8.75
QBs
1. Tim Couch - 49 games 1999-03
2. Ty Detmer - 2 games 1999
3. Doug Pederson - 8 games 2000
4. Spergon Wynn - 1 game 2000
5. Kelly Holcomb - 12 games 2002-04
6. Jeff Garcia - 10 games 2004
7. Luke McCown - 4 games 2004
8. Trent Dilfer - 11 games 2005
9. Charlie Frye - 19 games 2005-07
10. Derek Anderson - 34 games 2006-09
11. Brady Quinn - 12 games 2008-09
12. Ken Dorsey - 3 games 2008
13. Bruce Gradkowski - 1 game 2008
14. Colt McCoy - 21 games 2010-11
15. Jake Delhomme - 4 games 2010
16. Seneca Wallace - 7 games 2010-11
Pittsburgh Steelers
Overall record 1999-2011: 133-75, per QB record: 19-10.7
Record each season: 6-10, 9-7, 133, 10-5, 6-10, 15-1, 11-5, 8-8, 10-6, 12-4, 9-7, 12-4, 12-4
QBs
1. Kordell Stewart - 44 games 1999-02
2. Mike Tomczak - 4 games 1999
3. Kent Graham - 5 games 2000
4. Tommy Maddox - 32 games 2002-05
5. Ben Roethlisberger - 93 games 2004-11
6. Charlie Batch - 7 games 2005-11
7. Dennis Dixon - 3 games 2009-10
AFC South
- Spoiler:
- Houston Texans
Record each season: 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, 2-14, 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7, 6-10, 10-6
Overall record 2002-11: 58-92, per QB record: 8.25-13.14
QBs
1. David Carr – 75 games 2002-06
2. Tony Banks – 3 games 2003
3. Dave Ragone – 2 games 2003
4. Sage Rosenfels – 10 games 2007-08
5. Matt Schaub – 54 games 2007-11
6. Matt Leinart – 1 game 2011
7. T.J. Yates – 5 games 2011
Indianapolis Colts
Overall record 1999-2011: 140-68, per QB record: 35-17
Record each season: 13-3, 10-6, 6-10, 10-6, 12-4, 12-4, 14-2, 12-4, 13-3, 12-4, 14-2, 10-6, 2-14
QBs
1. Peyton Manning, 192 games 1999-2010
2. Curtis Painter, 8 games 2011
3. Dan Orlovsky, 5 games 2011
4. Kerry Collins, 3 games 2011
Jacksonville Jaguars
Record each season: 14-2, 7-9, 6-10, 6-10, 5-11, 9-7, 12-4, 8-8, 11-5, 5-11, 7-9, 8-8, 5-11
Overall record 1999-2011: 103-105, per QB record: 11.4-11.6
QBs
1. Mark Brunell, 64 games 1999-06
2. Jonathan Quinn, 1 game 1999
3. David Garrard. 76 games 2002-10
4. Byron Leftwich, 44 games 2003-06
5. Quinn Gray, 4 games 2007
6. Todd Bouman, 1 game 2010
7. Trent Edwards, 1 game 2010
8. Blaine Gabbert, 14 games 2011
9. Luke McCown, 2 games 2011
Tennessee Titans
Record each season: 13-3, 13-3, 7-9, 11-5, 12-4, 5-11, 4-12, 8-8, 10-6, 13-3, 8-8, 6-10, 9-7
Overall record 1999-2011: 119-89, per QB record: 14.87-11.12
QBs
1. Steve McNair, 93 games 1999-05
2. Neil O’Donnell, 8 games 1999-03
3. Billy Volek, 10 games 2003-05
4. Matt Mauck, 1 game 2005
5. Vince Young, 47 games 2006-10
6. Kerry Collins, 32 games 2006-10
7. Rusty Smith, 1 game 2010
8. Matt Hasselbeck, 16 games 2011
AFC West
- Spoiler:
- Record each season: 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 10-6, 13-3, 9-7, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, 4-12, 8-8
Denver Broncos
Overall record 1999-2011: 111-97, per QB record: 10-8
QBs
1. Brian Griese, 51 games 1999-02
2. Chris Miller, 3 games 1999
3. Gus Frerotte, 7 games 2000-01
4. Steve Beuerlin, 5 games 2002-03
5. Jake Plummer, 54 games 2003-06
6. Danny Kanell, 2 games 2003
7. Jarious Jackson, 1 game 2003
8. Jay Cutler, 37 games 2006-08
9. Kyle Orton, 33 games 2009-11
10. Chris Simms, 1 game 2009
11. Tim Tebow, 14 games 2010-11
Kansas City Chiefs
Record each season: 9-7, 7-9, 6-10, 8-8, 13-3, 7-9, 10-6, 9-7, 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 10-6, 7-9
Overall record 1999-2011: 96-112, per QB record: 10.6-12.4
QBs
1. Elvis Grbac, 31 games 1999-00
2. Warren Moon, 1 game 2000
3. Trent Green, 88 games 2001-06
4. Damon Huard, 21 games 2006-08
5. Brodie Croyle, 10 games 2007-10
6. Tyler Thigpen, 11 games 2008
7. Matt Cassell, 39 games 2009-11
8. Tyler Palko, 4 games 2011
9. Kyle Orton, 3 games 2011
Oakland Raiders
Record each season: 8-8, 12-4, 10-6, 11-5, 4-12, 5-11, 4-12, 2-14, 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 8-8, 8-8
Overall record 1999-2011: 86-122, per QB record: 6.1-8.7
QBs
1. Rich Gannon, 74 games 1999-04
2. Rick Mirer, 8 games 2003
3. Marques Tuiasosopo, 1 game 2003
4. Kerry Collins, 28 games 2004-05
5. Andrew Walter, 9 games 2006-08
6. Aaron Brooks, 8 games 2006
7. Josh McCown, 9 games 2007
8. Daunte Culpepper, 6 games 2007
9. JaMarcus Russell, 25 games 2007-09
10. Bruce Gradkowski, 8 games 2009-10
11. Charlie Frye, 3 games 2009
12. Jason Campbell , 18 games 2010-11
13. Kyle Boller, 1 game 2011
14. Carson Palmer, 7 games 2011
San Diego Chargers
Record each season: 8-8, 1-15, 5-11, 8-8, 4-12, 12-4, 9-7, 14-2, 11-5, 8-8, 13-3, 9-7, 8-8
Overall record 1999-2011: 110-98, per QB record: 15.7-14
QBs
1. Jim Harbaugh, 17 games 1999-00
2. Erik Kramer, 4 games 1999
3. Ryan Leaf, 9 games 2000
4. Moses Moreno, 2 games 2000
5. Doug Flutie, 21 games 2001-03
6. Drew Brees, 59 games 2002-05
7. Philip Rivers, 96 games 2006-11
Will put up the NFC over the weekend.
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Re: It's a quarterback (carousel) league - AFC
by Thomond Fri 24 Aug 2012, 11:01 pm
Interesting read, there's very few teams who hold onto QBs for very long, and the bust ratio is very high. Pats would be low enough without Brady I think but they kind of lucked into that. Broncos surprisingly solid. A lot of guys bounce around the league for a while and get a few starts or games.
I'm thinking Gradkowski, McCown, Collins, Delhomme in latter years. Teams would prefer to play a vet who is average than take a chance on a 3rd 4th round rookie I'd say.
I'm thinking Gradkowski, McCown, Collins, Delhomme in latter years. Teams would prefer to play a vet who is average than take a chance on a 3rd 4th round rookie I'd say.
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Re: It's a quarterback (carousel) league - AFC
by CFCNick Fri 24 Aug 2012, 11:09 pm
I found it interesting that the teams who have been to the playoffs most years have had the fewest quarterbacks.
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Re: It's a quarterback (carousel) league - AFC
by Thomond Fri 24 Aug 2012, 11:10 pm
I suppose it's not too surprising at the same time, if they get to the playoffs I suppose it's a success so no need to get rid of the QB most of the time.
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