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Post by Sugar Floyd Louis Sun 09 Sep 2012, 4:37 am

After tonight I truly think Ward beats Calzaghe at his peak.

What say you..

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 4:51 am

Yep. Agreed.

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Post by Mr Bounce Sun 09 Sep 2012, 8:41 am

*End of thread* Very Happy

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Post by davidemore Sun 09 Sep 2012, 9:06 am

Maybe, I think Chad was poor, but Ward make his opponents look poor.

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Post by Super D Boon Sun 09 Sep 2012, 12:52 pm

Calzaghe beats Ward he always found a way to win no matter what Yahoo

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:16 pm

After Ward's performance last night...I no longer consider this to be a competive fight...Ward beats Calzaghe in a one sided fight.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:17 pm

Calzaghe whoops ward ten times over. Wide UD. Im still undecided on Ward. He needs to travel to fight a top fighter. Look at Bute. Everyone though he was number 1 or 2 in SMW division, he was prepared to travel, then could not handle it vs Froch. If ward went to denmark for kessler, nottingham for froch, canada for bute or something like that, then fair enough.

Until then i think he is good but certainly not the best

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:19 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:Calzaghe whoops ward ten times over. Wide UD. Im still undecided on Ward. He needs to travel to fight a top fighter. Look at Bute. Everyone though he was number 1 or 2 in SMW division, he was prepared to travel, then could not handle it vs Froch. If ward went to denmark for kessler, nottingham for froch, canada for bute or something like that, then fair enough.

Until then i think he is good but certainly not the best

Are you mad? I have been something of a Ward basher int he past (due to his style), but the man dusted Kessler, Abraham, Green, Froch, Miranda, beat Bika and destroyed and I mean destroyed Dawson.

Wake up

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:21 pm

Delusional Sean...Since when has boxing matches been decided on where you fight...You should ban him for making such a stupid comment. thumbsup

Calzaghe really travelled abroad throughout his career.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:24 pm

Not saying he didnt, but froch also destroyed number 2 Bute in a more brutal fasion along with easily pounding abraham and i had froch beating kessler. Ward dusted kessler with 3 heabutts. Sakio Bika? Really? Edison Miranda?? Just got spanked by Tony Bellew.

Plus froch lost by 4 rounds, so not a "hammering"

My argument is could ward do the same in hostile territory??

All champs have done it. Marquez, Pacman, mayweather, froch, calzaghe etc.

Ive never seen ward fight outside his comfort zone.

If he can do that, then justified.

Until then i need to see thay final ingredient

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:25 pm

Just the most throwaway rubbish I have heard in months. This board is being littered with stupid comments of late.

Ward is a beast. I never liked him becasue he hugs, hits and headbutts. But last night he was everything. Entertaining, powerful and pure class. He was a fighter for the purists and the armchair fans.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:25 pm

Calzaghe would win on sheer volume of punches, we've yet to see Ward fight an elite volume puncher so have no real indication of how he would do but on the flipside we know Calzaghe can figure out a tricky, dirty fighter like he did Hopkins.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:26 pm

Calzaghe at least travelled to the US and beat Hopkins who was still a very decent operator at the time.

Has Ward done such things?? U have 3 top fighters in Bute, Kessler and Froch.

Would Ward travel to either and pull of a result like lat night???

Nope.

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:27 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:Not saying he didnt, but froch also destroyed number 2 Bute in a more brutal fasion along with easily pounding abraham and i had froch beating kessler. Ward dusted kessler with 3 heabutts. Sakio Bika? Really? Edison Miranda?? Just got spanked by Tony Bellew.

Plus froch lost by 4 rounds, so not a "hammering"

My argument is could ward do the same in hostile territory??

All champs have done it. Marquez, Pacman, mayweather, froch, calzaghe etc.

Ive never seen ward fight outside his comfort zone.

If he can do that, then justified.

Until then i need to see thay final ingredient

If that's your argument, then frame it better. Ward benefits a bit from fighting at home, but nothing is decided purely on that. Ward has cleaned out the division. Only mistake he made was not taking bute before froch destroyed him.

And stop going on about Froch beating Kess. He lost that due to pooor workrate. He is my fav fighter, but trying to squeeze him in on this thread is pointless

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:27 pm

He also has Victor Conte, so will always have that hanging over his head.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:28 pm

Im not saying ward is pants. I think he is genuine world class. I personally like to see how they cope with the pressure of fighting away from the comfort zone.

I think the purity would go out the window.


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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:29 pm

People are goinh on about Bika and Miranda on this thread who were bums past their prime. Kessler vs Froh was very close between two top 5 fighters.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:33 pm

Froch lost by 4 rounds???...He won 2 rounds maximum and Ward fought with a broken hard.

Who cares about Bute he already got knocked out by Andrade...Kessler CLEARLY beat Froch in a close fight.

Ward was easily beating up Kessler before the headbutts...Ward is open to rematches against Kessler and Froch.

Froch and Kessler dont want know part of Ward you see it in their interviews when asked about a rematch with Ward.

You still going on about where they fight Laugh

IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE THEY STILL FIGHT IN A BOXING RING

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:35 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:He also has Victor Conte, so will always have that hanging over his head.

Not true Ward has never worked with Conte...Conte works with Donaire and Berto.

What is your thoughts on Marquez working with a steriod dealer in Angel Heredia for the Pacquiao fight? Google him if you dont know who he is

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:35 pm

Wouldn't like to predict the Ward Calzaghe fight, both of them can adapt and always find a way to win.

On the mythical p4p list Ward has to be nailed on number 3, I would even push for him to be number 1. Mayweather is far too inactive and his recent resume doesn't even come close.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:36 pm

Think you will find it is very much true PBF.

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:38 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:People are goinh on about Bika and Miranda on this thread who were bums past their prime. Kessler vs Froh was very close between two top 5 fighters.

Yoiu just called Bika a bum. The man who gives everyone a horrid affair. From Calzaghe to Ward the only person who ever handled him was Bute. What a silly statement.

We can no longer talk.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:39 pm

Ghosty

May have worked with him in the past but as far im aware he didn't work with him in the past few fights.

Thoughts on Juan Manuel Marquez working with a steriod dealer for the Pacquiao fight? Ghosty?

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Post by manos de piedra Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:42 pm

Ward wins for me. I think hes a better and more versatile fighter. I though Hopkins edged Calzaghe overall but faded down the stretch. I think Ward now is better than the Hopkins that Calzaghe faced. Much quicker also and a better engine. Think it would be a close fight though. But Ward to me looks to have the ingredients to neutralise Calzaghes advantages.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:42 pm

The notoriety that comes with being involved with Conte especially after Berto tested positive leads me to think something less than legal is going on.

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Post by Seanusarrilius Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:46 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:The notoriety that comes with being involved with Conte especially after Berto tested positive leads me to think something less than legal is going on.

We agree here. Not saying ward is dirty,but stop working with a drug peddler

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:47 pm

Ghosty

If you done your research you would know Berto has been cleared and if your a drugs cheat you dont take nandrolone!!!

Berto had low levels and was positive because of food contamination...With Conte knowledge do you really think he would give Berto nandrolone when he has knows VADA test for it and it stays in your system for 18 months.

Educate yourself on PEDS and Conte before debating with me.

Thoughts on Marquez working with steriod dealer for the Pacquiao fight?

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:48 pm

Lets be honest here, Ward is NOT a steriod user he wins on using his skills not flattening his opponents, or being able to take hellacious punishment and keep coming.

Donaire works with Victor Conte, but he has signed up to get tested by VADA all year round as well. Ward is not a cheat and the fact that people start bringing it up shows how truly great he is.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:49 pm

Genius of PBF, don't even try to tarnish Marquez achievements, he is certainly not a cheat.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:50 pm

Sean

Conte is a changed man and offers his service as free of charge...Before Peterson tested positive Conte was the one who said boxers/mma fighters are using Synthetic Testeorone which is what Lamont got busted for.


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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:51 pm

So Conte is still getting away with the food contamination excuse, thought the powers that be would be wise to him by now, seems like the most logical way of trying to use PEDs to me.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:51 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:Genius of PBF, don't even try to tarnish Marquez achievements, he is certainly not a cheat.

So why have Angel Heredia a known steriod dealer as your strength and conditioner for the Pacquiao fight?

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:55 pm

Ghosty

So a guy who has a lot of knowledge would give the worst PED as it is even tested by the poor standard commissions and stays in your system for 18 months.

Plus the fact it was low levels found Like I said educate yourself on it before debating.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:56 pm

BoxingFan

Im only bringing up Marquez because I know Ghosty likes him and hates Ward.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 2:58 pm

Until he follows the lead of Donaire I will always question Ward just like everyone else questions Chavez. I'm not too concerned about your views on Marquez as they are well known.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:01 pm

Ward has always been open to random testing unlike Chavez.

If you can question Ward surely you have to question Marquez who works with someone much worse.

I like Marquez so no bias from me but we already know your "views" on Ward. thumbsup

I had Marquez number two on my pound for pound list till last night.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:02 pm

I think ward would lose to froch in nottingham. Anybody who thinks it does not make a difference where you fight is beyond me. If your fighting againt a hostile ground thousands ofmiles from home, i dont care who you are, it makes a diffeeence in how you fight. If your the best it wont have an effect. I have yet to see Ward do this. Until he does, iim undecided on how "great" he is.

People talk about Miranda, who was smashed in 3 rounds by Bute. Bute in turn got smashed by Froch. Fighters are different if its not all their way.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:04 pm

Froch beats Ward Laugh


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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:05 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Until he follows the lead of Donaire I will always question Ward just like everyone else questions Chavez. I'm not too concerned about your views on Marquez as they are well known.

Chavez has already been charged for use of an illegal weight making substance and still managed to put on at least 20lbs+ with every fight without looking like a fighter with a lot of water weight on and managed to get away with missing drugs test. Ward isn't particularly big or strong at 168 and has been down and looked tired vs froch, hardly sounds like an PED user

He uses his skills to win fights and has NEVER lost a fight in the amateurs or pro game, don't start pointing the finger at PEDs

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:06 pm

When has Mayweather ever done it?

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Post by Super D Boon Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:10 pm

The problem for Andre Ward now is that there's no decent challenges left and so everything he does from now on is all about numbers. There's no way of saying how he'd perform against a peak Calzaghe, Hopkins, RJJ, Toney etc etc because he's never needed to face such class and he never will.

As it stands Ward's win over Dawson doesn't beat Calzaghe's win over Hopkins given that Calzaghe had to move in weight and move to America whilst Ward got Dawson to come to Oakland and move down the scales.

I mean when was the last time Dawson didn't scrape through a fight? His showing against Adamek proved he was class but since then he's bummed his way through fights doing just enough as well as his awful showing against Jean Claude Pascal.

There's nothing at SMW , and there's nothing at LHW for Ward. It's a shame but he'll never get to prove himself against real class because there isn't any.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:11 pm

Ward isn't particularly big or strong at 168lbs? Now that is priceless as is him being undefeated as an amateur. His association with Conte is to me something to be cautious of, with the testing procedures as they are you can't be sure of anyone being clean.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:12 pm

Against Arturo Gatti. Hostile crowd, went to home town (biggest fan holding) and smashed him.

Froch came to the US for Taylor, Ward

Hopkins went to Canada

Bute went to UK

Hatton wenr to US

Kessler went to US and UK

Calzaghe went US and Germany

Klitschko went to US



Sorry......,where has Ward been?? Never outside his hometown apart from Atlanta.


Lets see how amazing he is away from the states against Kessler, Bute, Calzaghe, Froch etc.


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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:13 pm

Ward doesn't work with Conte anymore...Plus Conte fighters do VADA testing.

Plus as an amateur you do olympic style testing so Ward was showing his class then.

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:14 pm

LHW ward vs dawson 2.

Or Ward vs Cloud/Pascal.

Both good fights i feel.

Ward vs Pascal in Canada would never happen, be good though.

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:14 pm

So Mayweather was still fighting in America then against less than stellar opposition. The ease with which he beat Kessler and Froch (anomaly in the scoring due to 10 point must system) doesn't suggest the fights would be any different anywhere else.

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Post by The genius of PBF Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:16 pm

Calzaghe went to Germany to fight a guy he already knocked out in 1 round and fought a shot over the hill Roy Jones.

It doesn't matter where you fight...Your delusional if you think that it matters.

Plus the States is where the money is at why should Ward travel when he is the number one fighter.

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Post by bhb001 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:19 pm

The genius of PBF wrote:Delusional Sean...Since when has boxing matches been decided on where you fight...You should ban him for making such a stupid comment. thumbsup

Calzaghe really travelled abroad throughout his career.

I suppose this was on holiday, as he only fought away from the UK in his last two fights. Perhaps "genius" meant rarely. Anyway, Ward would most likley win, but have a really tough fight. Calzaghe would be a handful for anyone.

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Post by manos de piedra Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:28 pm

In a close fight home advantage may well play a part both with the judges scoring and depending on the individual fighter in question. But Ward has won all his fights handily. Surprised someone would make a case for him losing any of his fights in a different location given how comprehensive they were. Something like Froch/Kessler or Froch/Dirrell might go another way depending on home advantage. Cant see how Wards fight do. Hes been a different level to his opponents so far. This thread is like a competition to see who can give Ward as little credit as possible.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sun 09 Sep 2012, 3:43 pm

Ward still not getting full recognition in some quarters, I see. I suspect this will continue right throughout his career, sadly.

Anyway, on to the question at hand. Right now I'd say there's more to suggest that Ward beats Calzaghe than there is to suggest that Calzaghe beats Ward. I'm not at all convinced that Calzaghe could have navigated a trio as good as Kessler, Froch and Dawson with as few problems as Ward has done.

Aside from outworking Ward, I don't particularly see how Calzaghe can win. Calzaghe, for all his talents, did get hit. He had trouble with lefts (be it hook or straight) and Ward's left is as good as they come. Ward has the better defence (who has managed to pin him down since he's hit the world class bracket?), is quicker, can go the full twelve at a decent pelt and is just as good boxing backwards as he is forwards. Again, while Calzaghe had his talents, winning fights going away wasn't one of them.

I said a few weeks ago when this was brought up that I'd back Ward to win a decision, and I believe that with even more conviction now. Ward by three or four points.

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