V2 WWC 2012 Round 1 Group 4

First topic message reminder :

Fridays group 3 match up saw both the number one seed James storm (group winner) and number two seed Jeff Hardy (runner up) progress to round 2 with a combined 33 votes from the 42 cast!

Next up is group 4

Please vote for the wrestler you believe has generated the best work in the last 12 months

As always please leave a comment as to why you voted

The top two will progress into round 2

MtotheC wrote:

MtotheC wrote:nearly 12 months ago in round 1 group two of last years WWC Cody Rhodes notched up a massive 39 votes which totalled 72% of the overall vote, what a difference a year makes when 32 votes have been cast by 14:30 and he's only got 3 votes

On another note D.Bryan finished second in his round 1 group last year with 13 votes

Who said this tournament is pointless because the same people win every time?

This is the sort of tasty titbits I was hoping for this year.
Great work Mtotthe

Hero wrote:

Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:

Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:Of course he isn't going to win, but in the same respect the ABA brigade is for me quite a snub in the face to the effort MtotheC is putting into the competition by the Finlay vote.

Many could argue that your crusade to get him in and amending the Mason Ryan poll is a snub to the effort he puts in.

I think the reality is that Ambrose has or had potential. This thing isn't about potential, it's about what you've achieved in the last 12 months, and basically, he's achieved nothing. I could go on Twitter and slate Foley. Doesn't mean i'm the next best thing in wrestling.

You've put him on this pedestal, it's not everybody elses fault if he falls from a great height.

I have put him a pedestal as I think he is the next big thing in wrestling and I have no qualms over stating that. In the past twelve months whilst Id have loved to have seen him join the roster he has had the 30m match with Punk, a rivalry with Rollins for the FCW Heavyweight title and his long feud with Regal. Whilst certainly it could have been better he certainly deserves to get through a guy who's role is now one of a backstage producer.

Finlay got fired i think. He took the flack for The Miz being allowed to go and run down the forces on National Guard day or something? Interrupting the national anthem? Ring any bells?

Yeah it does, in March 2011 19 months ago.

Are you making a point with the 19 months thing?

Well it is meant to be about what's been done in the past year, Punk v Ambrose was a year ago exactly so just scrapes in, if it'd have been about a more extended period Id also be harking on about his 5 different World Titles he's held etc.

Whilst Finlay is being voted for the annoy Hero he's actually had a pretty good year wrestling on the independent scene

He defeated Sami Callihan at an Evolve event on his debut
Wrested in a PWG tournament
Won the title in Taijiri's federation before it closed down
He's been wrestling in ROH aswell

Hero wrote:Well it is meant to be about what's been done in the past year, Punk v Ambrose was a year ago exactly so just scrapes in, if it'd have been about a more extended period Id also be harking on about his 5 different World Titles he's held etc.

I was just pointing out that he had been fired.

But you're talking about 2 matches and a mini feud with someone whose main achievements were being a GM's sidekick, winning a crappy KOTR and screwing his chance at the big one by failing a wellness. He's also bezzie mates with HHH.

It's hardly going over Cena is it?

Electric Demon wrote:

MtotheC wrote:

MtotheC wrote:nearly 12 months ago in round 1 group two of last years WWC Cody Rhodes notched up a massive 39 votes which totalled 72% of the overall vote, what a difference a year makes when 32 votes have been cast by 14:30 and he's only got 3 votes

On another note D.Bryan finished second in his round 1 group last year with 13 votes

Who said this tournament is pointless because the same people win every time?

This is the sort of tasty titbits I was hoping for this year.
Great work Mtotthe

No problems ED i'll keep them coming! just call me statto!!

No it isn't. If Ambrose goes out I won't shed a tear, but people shouldn't vote for Finlay as a protest vote v me, at least vote for Rhodes.

I think there is a member on here called statto

Could we call you statto the second to avoid confusion?

another one for Finlay!

Thinking about it the aba brigade would be a quality stable name

Hero wrote:No it isn't. If Ambrose goes out I won't shed a tear, but people shouldn't vote for Finlay as a protest vote v me, at least vote for Rhodes.

What makes you think they are voting for him because of you? He's had a good year independently. Maybe it's because of that. Maybe they always loved Finlay and want him to do well.

Maybe they want to rig the contest in DBD's favour?

sodhat wrote:I think there is a member on here called statto

Could we call you statto the second to avoid confusion?

Yes your right! guess i'll stick with MtotheC but we will all know who the real statoo is!

Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:No it isn't. If Ambrose goes out I won't shed a tear, but people shouldn't vote for Finlay as a protest vote v me, at least vote for Rhodes.

What makes you think they are voting for him because of you? He's had a good year independently. Maybe it's because of that. Maybe they always loved Finlay and want him to do well.

Maybe they want to rig the contest in DBD's favour?

Of course they, Finlay has legions of fans for his tough no nonsense style and I imagine all 7 of his votes were eagerly awaiting his title match v the Smash Champion Starbuck this year.

D-Bryan.

He's one of the few reasons I still watch Raw. He's been superb all year, serious in the feud with Punk and now this more comedic side with Kane.

I think after this, if Vince and co don't mess it up, he should be one of the biggest stars in the fed.

Hero wrote:

Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:No it isn't. If Ambrose goes out I won't shed a tear, but people shouldn't vote for Finlay as a protest vote v me, at least vote for Rhodes.

What makes you think they are voting for him because of you? He's had a good year independently. Maybe it's because of that. Maybe they always loved Finlay and want him to do well.

Maybe they want to rig the contest in DBD's favour?

Of course they, Finlay has legions of fans for his tough no nonsense style and I imagine all 7 of his votes were eagerly awaiting his title match v the Smash Champion Starbuck this year.

You're just coming across as bitter now.

Hero wrote:

Beer wrote:

Hero wrote:No it isn't. If Ambrose goes out I won't shed a tear, but people shouldn't vote for Finlay as a protest vote v me, at least vote for Rhodes.

What makes you think they are voting for him because of you? He's had a good year independently. Maybe it's because of that. Maybe they always loved Finlay and want him to do well.

Maybe they want to rig the contest in DBD's favour?

Of course they, Finlay has legions of fans for his tough no nonsense style and I imagine all 7 of his votes were eagerly awaiting his title match v the Smash Champion Starbuck this year.

I was sure Rhodes would go through in second place here, a vote for Finlay right now doesn’t seem to be about the question in the poll or in the spirit of the comp but the majority gets what the majority wants and that’s what the WWC is all about, you need votes to go through and ultimately win

Could you not sense the genuine realisation in my typing there as it dawned on me how strong the fan base was for Finlay was on the board, how my eyes have been opened to his brawling style and how much fans must love him to scour the internet for these matches in the Smash Championship etc, I can see that he had nearly 7000 views v Tajiri for his defence so I presume a few of those were from here.

Finlay is good, he's no Mason Ryan mind.

What would happen if the board voted for Ambrose to win this thing? Would you show outrage at people mocking you, or making a spectacle of what is a time consuming and opinion based debate?

No.

You'd be going man sausage-a-hoop over the fact Ambrose was winning. Screaming from the rooftops that the board had seen sense and backed him through adversity.

I think it’s disappointing that someone who ran away with their group last year, has been IC camp wrestled at mania and is on TV every week will be knocked out by someone who has accomplished very little in comparison.

Sure Cody’s been quiet this year but has finlay really produced a better body of work? no, therefore you have to take note in what hero is saying about the aba brigade or is it the abh haters (another plausible stable name!)

Id say Cody has had the 3rd/4th best year out of the 6 guys to be honest with you MTTC compared to what he has been producing he has been very poor and this is showing that he's now been put as Damien Sandow's lacky partner tbh lets put it this way i made my dad watch a Rhodes/Sandow tag match and he knows sweet FA about wrestling and he said well the guy in purple is good why have they stuck him with someone like that?

Mat wrote:Finlay is good, he's no Mason Ryan mind.

I'd be genuinely surprised and of course excited as I'm a fanboy.

But in reality Ambrose shouldn't be getting out of the group, it should be DB by a mile followed by Rhodes and because of the backlash to Ambrose it's created an injustice for who should go through.

ABH sounds an awesome name for a stable with the way it could be standing for actual bodily harm.

I think it's the Hero Haters.

But he could use his Admin powers to fix this....

Hero in a half shell, Turtle Power!

I don't think Hero is particularly that annoyed that Ambrose is getting through, it's unlikely he ever would...the problem is people voting for Finlay as a joke.

To be honest, if you think about it, both Cody and Ambrose have gone backwards during the year, whereas people's opinions and expectations of Finlay have remained pretty much stagnant. So who's had a better year in that respect?

I'm not familiar with Lethal or Briscoe... is that the guy who used to be one of McMahon's stooges? Can't imagine he's had a great year - he was pretty out of shape back then.

Not saying it as a reason to vote Finlay but I can't see any particular reason Rhodes should go through. He's stagnated hugely for most of the year, he looked on the cusp of the main event around Mania but has done nothing since, and has in fact gone backwards.

I suspect it's one of those WWE "testing" periods where they see if a guy can hack it before shifting him up the card again, like they tried with Swagger.

Electric Demon wrote:I'm not familiar with Lethal or Briscoe... is that the guy who used to be one of McMahon's stooges? Can't imagine he's had a great year - he was pretty out of shape back then.

Genuinely made me lol

he's in ROH as one half of the briscoe brothers, apparently been approached by wwe but rumour has it they turned down the opportunity to stay with ROH

Want to send me a list of the rest of the groups so I can put an albatross around a few other wrestlers necks for the group stage?

Publically backing Austin Aries now, watch him get knocked out by Primo in a few days.

But Austin Aries HAS had a good year.
Ambrose hasn't. He has bags of potential - but we're not measuring potential in this competition.

Electric Demon wrote:But Austin Aries HAS had a good year.
Ambrose hasn't. He has bags of potential - but we're not measuring potential in this competition.

E.D off the back of this group do you fear the anyone but slatter stooges?

I don't think there will be Anyone but Slater stooges. If it is judged on it's merits then Slater will progress to the next round. And I very much doubt people will vote against Slater because of me because I'm universally well liked, extremely popular, and salt of the earth. I don't think anyone has got a bad word to say about me, so it would be a cruel act akin to punching a puppy in its slobbery jowelly but ultimately innocent face if they voted against Slater.

I'm ringing up Napalm.

Hero wrote:I'm ringing up Napalm.

I'm still waiting for the day he comes back to 6WF. That should be off the chart

Demon I just burst out with laughter on the train at the puppy comment.

Ok I have finally had to steer towards a tactical vote.

I didn't want to but the fact Finlay could go through meant a vote for Cody Rhodes.

Of course D.Bryan is the stand out man here but I do think Rhodes has been excellent. Yes he has dropped off somewhat but I think thats a reflection on WWE more than him (a recurring theme these days)..He was on the Wrestlemania card and before that had been excellent. Royal Rumble he eliminated the most people (6) in an impressive 40 minute showing.

Whilst he has gone of the boil he is coming back to the forefront and his partnership with Sandow is good but more importantly is keeping him relevant at least.

He is only 27 which is pretty young in Wrestling terms and I still think he has a bright future ahead of him

Oh and also....FINLAY should be no where near this! Bloody awful and what the hell has he done in past 12 months?!

owen10ozzy wrote:Ok I have finally had to steer towards a tactical vote.

I didn't want to but the fact Finlay could go through meant a vote for Cody Rhodes.

Of course D.Bryan is the stand out man here but I do think Rhodes has been excellent. Yes he has dropped off somewhat but I think thats a reflection on WWE more than him (a recurring theme these days)..He was on the Wrestlemania card and before that had been excellent. Royal Rumble he eliminated the most people (6) in an impressive 40 minute showing.

Whilst he has gone of the boil he is coming back to the forefront and his partnership with Sandow is good but more importantly is keeping him relevant at least.

He is only 27 which is pretty young in Wrestling terms and I still think he has a bright future ahead of him

Oh and also....FINLAY should be no where near this! Bloody awful and what the hell has he done in past 12 months?!

The entrants and seeding’s were based on PWI ranking for the last 12 months and Finlay came in at 113th making him a 5th seed entrant, as for his last 12 months I couldn’t comment

Rhodes is closing now just two behind Finlay with the evening still to go, this could be close

I've gone Rhodes. D Bryan is obviously the vote for this really but Rhodes is above the others so Ive gone tactical. I enjoy watching Cody wrestle, and when hes not hampered by awful character traits forced upon him then hes showing superb growth as a wrestler.

All tied up in second place between Finlay and rhodes now with 7 each

Daniel Bryan used to annoy me around about the time he was US champ and his feud with The Miz. Now he is the best thing going. The tag team with Kane should be crap and interesting for no more than a week, but somehow they have managed to make it one of the top storylines for a prolonged period of time.

Bryan also has a lovely beard which a number of my pirate friends would be proud of. He also has a good physique for pirate work, quite stocky so would be good at carrying stolen goods like weapons and is quite agile so would be good at quick escapes. Submission is a good way to get information from unsuspecting fishermen when hijacking a commercial fishing boat. Not all pirates have eye patches, hooks for hands and search for buried treasure, some people are trying to earn a decent living from a dying profession. Please Google Somalian pirates. I feel I am digressing here for that i apologise, but stereotyping of pirates is just another form of racism.

arrrrggghh!

Like I said earlier I can't see past Bryan, tactical vote though so put Ambrose back in the game, C'mon Deano

Once again this is a very strong group.

Rhodes, despite his enormous talent, has fallen off the edge of a cliff, from potential world champion, to non-entity on Smackdown, losing the title to Big Show at Mania was probably the worst thing that could have happened to him.

Lethal's had a decent year but has hardly set the world alight in ROH, he's show charismatically he's at his best when parodying other wrestlers and in ring he's been good but nothing spectacular with what I've seen.

Finlay, despite Hero's protestations, has had a pretty good year this year, freeded from the shackles of shillaglies (Ive definatly spelt that wrong, you know the big club thing) and leprechuan sidekicks, he's turned in some great old school performances, matches against Callihan and Elgin were two of the better ones ive seen, he knows how to make the young guys look like stars.

In contrast Ambrose is everything that is good about the future of pro wrestling, sterling matches vs Rollins, Punk and Regal show he can go in the ring, and the guys a promo machine, comparisions to Roddy Piper are more than fare, difficult to say if WWE's holding out on putting him on NXT were a good thing or not, it keeps him fresh to a wider audience but also robs him of the exposure that others like Ohno and Rollins are getting, hopefully we'll see more of him soon.

Anyways trying to rise above the Finlay vs Ambrose debates above (which btw I personally think are a great part of the WWC, those who followed Finlay in the indies and those who championed Ambrose in FCW, where else do you get a chance to compare those two wrestlers?) there for me can only be one winner, this past year has been the year of Daniel Bryan, the man has risen his stock from a very good indie worker to drawing comparisons with Kurt Angle, in the past year alone, Bryan has:

-won the World Title
-had watchable matches with Show and Henry
-made people belive for a brief minute the Santino Marella might win the World title in the EC
-Lost the title in 18 seconds, and unbeliveably became even more popular
-Had a MOTY contender against Sheamus at Extreme Rules
-Had another against Punk at Over the Limit
-Two more great matches against Punk and Kane
-YES, YES, YES
-NO, NO, NO
-Threw his heart and soul into AJ and Anger Managemnt angles
-and now somehow finds himself in the tag team that has quickly become one of the most entertaining things in WWE

Thats a pretty impressive resume by anyones standards and Bryan has to be the winner of this group if not one of the favorites to win the whole thing.

Leave my protestations out of it!

Who would you have gone for as runner if you mind me asking?

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes... D. Bryan never looked in danger yesterday and is through to round 2 as the group winner along with the fighting irishman Finlay and the second generation superstar Cody Rhodes qualifing in joint second place

rumfish mcallister wrote:Daniel Bryan used to annoy me around about the time he was US champ and his feud with The Miz. Now he is the best thing going. The tag team with Kane should be crap and interesting for no more than a week, but somehow they have managed to make it one of the top storylines for a prolonged period of time.

Bryan also has a lovely beard which a number of my pirate friends would be proud of. He also has a good physique for pirate work, quite stocky so would be good at carrying stolen goods like weapons and is quite agile so would be good at quick escapes. Submission is a good way to get information from unsuspecting fishermen when hijacking a commercial fishing boat. Not all pirates have eye patches, hooks for hands and search for buried treasure, some people are trying to earn a decent living from a dying profession. Please Google Somalian pirates. I feel I am digressing here for that i apologise, but stereotyping of pirates is just another form of racism.

arrrrggghh!

My new favourite poster!