Goode vs Brown - who do you think should be the 1st choice full back for England?

Full back isn't a problem for England. Two very strong contenders for the 15 shirt in the absence of the injured Foden.

Both Brown and Goode are in decent form. Both are decent all rounders though have their advantages.

Do you prefer the quicker and slightly better counter attacking Brown or do you like the idea of the greater versatility,vision and variety Goode brings having played fly half?



Simple question really - who do you think should be the 1st choice full back for England?

In my opinion Brown should start with Goode on the bench.

Fair enough.

Is Goode a good enough fly half to provide cover from the bench, our will we have a specialist 10 on the bench.
If Goode is likely to be considered as an option to cover 10, then he'll start on the bench.

In fact, I think brown will start regardless.

Players with mixed skill sets are often seen as bench options.
I just hope we don't try using Ugo as FB cover

Brown coz Goode is overrated.

Goode has had a...good run of games this season but was a bit wishy washy last season and the one before.

Brown has been good for about 3 seasons now so should get first dibs, if he doesn't grab it then it's great to have another player like Goode pushing him.

Arscott

I'm not so sure Brown will start you know.

I do think Brown is a better player than Goode but Goode to me could be the better international player.

We desperately lack another football in the backline with a Barritt/Manu midfield, Goode would sort this giving us another intelligent option in the backline.

Another reason is SA, Goode looked much more accomplished in his appearances than Brown did in his.

Brown deserves a proper go at the jersey. He's been putting in consistently good (occasionally brilliant) performances for a while now.

Goode is an option to cover flyhalf and he did well in the SA tour over the summer. He seems pretty composed and able to step into pressure situations too.

Depends what you want. Power and pace or a bit more guile.

That's why I'm edging to Goode a little. We have buckets of pace & power, not so much Intelligence & guile. All about finding that balance.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:That's why I'm edging to Goode a little. We have buckets of pace & power, not so much Intelligence & guile. All about finding that balance.

I'm not sure if Brown doesn't have intelligence and guile as well though. Maybe more then Goode looking at his try scoring stats?

Are try scoring stats a clear indication of intelligence/guile? I'm not sure they are tbh.

I'm just going off watching both players over the years. No doubt Brown is a better AP performer but I think Goode gives us something a bit different in our backline.

Big fan of Brown by the way.

Don't get me wrong, Brown's an intelligent player and runs good lines. Goode probably has a wider skillset though.

What Brown does he does very well. I do think that Goode could turn out to be a tremendous player.

For me: Brown to start with Goode on the bench to cover No.10.

I wouldn't be upset at all with either starting. Once Foden is back it's going to be a heck of a fight. I just hope that doesn't mean the Foden wing experiment kicks in again. He can do the job, but so can others and it smacks of shoehorning our 'best' players in rather than concentrating on specialists.

yappysnap wrote:Goode has had a...good run of games this season but was a bit wishy washy last season and the one before.

Interesting how perceptions can differ. Every time I have seen him play over the last few years he has looked special.

However I believe that Brown deserves the chance. He has worked on his game, has been in great form for a while now and only Foden's excellent performances for England has kept him out.

I am happy with either option, think Goode is more useful on yhr bench do either

15 Brown 23- Goode
Or
15 Goode 23- someone who can cover wing as well

yappysnap wrote:Goode has had a...good run of games this season but was a bit wishy washy last season and the one before.

Brown has been good for about 3 seasons now so should get first dibs, if he doesn't grab it then it's great to have another player like Goode pushing him.

Sorry Yappysnap but that's rubbish. I wonder if you have watched Goode to come to the conclusion he is wishy washy.

Quins have had one good season, Saracens have had 3 in a row. Who was at the forefront of them? Goode

Goode has been performing more consistently over a sustained period than Brown. Goode hasn't exactly been tearing up the AP but he's been consistently good in his performances. Not earth shattering but he does his job well. Brown is playing well but on the contrary I think Goode needs more international opportunities after his good performance in South Africa.

I don't mind you talking your man up but to discredit Goode and say Brown has dibs even though Goode has been more consistent over the previous seasons is a bit rich to be honest.

Also Brown cocked up in the game vs Wales this season in the 6 nations. Stopped England the opportunity of getting a draw. Ok it wasn't all down to him but he was partly at fault.

Tools in your tool box. Pick the 'best' one based on situation and how you plan to go at the opposition. As you say Shocked, we have a good selection of extrememly talented FB's at the moment. Use the one that best empitomises what you need to go into that game to acheive your ends; bench the other.

I voted Brown because i'm bias, there's honesty for ya!

AlastairW that's fair enough.

Agree with that. To be honest I wouldn't mind either player as an England fan but club bias likes to rear it's ugly head.

I think Goode is likely to be on the bench. Hopefully he's not actually asked to cover fly half though.

I reckon it should still be Dusty Hare

Nick Abendanon

Brown, I like him and have rated him for a while now.

Brown is too slow for International rugby which is a real shame as he reads the game really well, good clubman nothing more.

Why don't people remember how bad he was?

Because he barely played, he has much improved at every level, he played well against SA in SA, he is clearly no longer lacking in pace and I'm not sure a word of your sentence is accurate? Oh and against SA tge first time, where he was playing in a poor team and admittedly was poor, he was violently ill before the game and shouldn't have medically allowed to play on but wanted to represent his country too much and (rather selfishly actually) didn't tell the staff he was unwell. That's why, HERSH, because we as humans have the ability to contextualise and utilise judgment.

HERSH wrote:Brown is too slow for International rugby which is a real shame as he reads the game really well, good clubman nothing more.

Firstly I'll admit copying and pasting this comment I made from another article pertaining a similar point about Brown! Slightly lazy I know but it's the same debate so here it goes.

Brown is actually the fastest guy over shorter distances (20-30m sprints) in the Quins squad now! Hard to call him slow any more when he's outpacing Care,Monye,Guest etc.

Sounds hard to believe but the work he has done with Margot Wells has made a huge difference. I actually had the pleasure/honour of meeting Mrs Wells due to a friend who coaches with her/was taught how to coach sprinting in rugby by her.

From a short chat I could tell a big part of her work in rugby is trying to disprove the view that sprinters are 90% born with it 10% work for it when she believes it's more 50-50. She also knows through experience that the initial acceleration over 15-20m is the part of sprinting that can be most improved through technique and hard work. (Really is a chat I've been meaning to put in an article now this as reminded me)

I know it's an odd thought to get your head around when we're all used to being told sprinters are born not made but personally I trusted her views over my old school PE teacher!

Also this initial acceleration is arguably the most important element of speed in rugby for most positions. This period is where most breaks are made after all.

From a personal opinion on Brown vs Goode I'd actually be quite happy with either starting as they've proved themselves far more than most players would have to before getting backing in other international sides. I voted for Brown myself as I feel his core FB skills such positioning and work under the high ball are more consistent than Goode.

HERSH wrote:Why don't people remember how bad he was?

When? On the tour to NZ in 2008? Guess what - he has improved out of sight since then.