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Post by hampo17 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm

First topic message reminder :

All the talk for the last few weeks has been about Ricky, and rightly so. But has given his fighters the chance to prepare without having cameras stuck in their face every 5 minutes which is bound to help. So how do we see those going?

I think Gary Buckland will get through his fight against Steven Forster JR. Forster JR is a decent boxer but Bucklands power is the real equaliser. I also feel Murray will beat Navarro in a WBA Interim fight putting him right back in the title mix. The one I can't pick is Munroe and Quigg, before the last fight I picked Munroe but Quigg had the better of what little action there was. Possibly Munroe underestimated just how skilled Quigg, hopefully there will be no cuts though.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:02 pm

he needs to go back to the body like he was in the earlier rounds. He's head hunting without success.
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Post by TopHat24/7 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:02 pm

QUIT HATTON PLEASE QUIT!!!!

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:02 pm

Oh man this is the worst outcome, I seriously hope he is ok mentally after this!

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:02 pm

F*ck!
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Post by Steffan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:02 pm

Very sad. Lets hope this is his last

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:03 pm

Man this is so depressing! I can't believe that happened, please don't go back to that dark place =(

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:03 pm

It's over Hatton is out, body shot ironically

He's out, knew he wouldnt have what it takes to make it and gassed as I though the would

15st to 10st6 is too much weight cut not to affect someone

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Post by Fists of Fury Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:05 pm

I just pray he retires happily now, let's hope this support helps him. Please don't revert to the depression.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:05 pm

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:It's over Hatton is out, body shot ironically

He's out, knew he wouldnt have what it takes to make it and gassed as I though the would

15st to 10st6 is too much weight cut not to affect someone

Yep, not to mention his timing was horrible, I have never seen a boxer swing hooks like that

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Post by TopHat24/7 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:06 pm

crying in his corner, feel so bad for the man, god I hope he can cope with this Sad

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Post by Steffan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:06 pm

He should take up golf or something. Calzaghe said he still trains even though he doesnt box as it stops you getting down and feeling frustrated. Ricky should do that. More to life than boxing

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Post by Union Cane Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:07 pm

Don't want to say I told you so, but....
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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:08 pm

Union Cane wrote:Don't want to say I told you so, but....

Haha..

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Post by 88Chris05 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:08 pm

If this fight was being scored properly, then Senchenko must surely have been even by the time of the stoppage, or maybe even a shade ahead, dare I say it. He dominated the battle of the jabs, seldom allowed himself to get trapped on the ropes and was generally doing the cleaner work throughout.

This is a sad night, one of the saddest I can remember in my time following the sport. But full credit to Senchenko.
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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:08 pm

Now he's retired losing to the 2 best boxers of our generation..... and senchenko

Sad sad for him but it was the only outcome and he could have gone out on his back if he won and fought a brook etc who could have really hurt him

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Post by Steffan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:09 pm

Hattons face looks well bust up

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Post by mobilemaster8 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:09 pm

Fair play. Great effort just hasn't got it anymore. Hope he retires now and keeps his own self in tact.

Great body shot by Senchenko though. Going out to your own shot must be a odd bit time to move on.

Great fighter, one of my favourites, good luck in the future.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:09 pm

The right result. Hatton looked wild - amateurish at times, nil head movement, reckless telegraphed punches, too easy to hit - basically all his old flaws magnified by Father Time. He couldn't get close enough and Senchenko only had to stick to the basic jab/straight right technique to be effective. The finishing body shot was a good one, and with Ricky's weight issues was always gonna be hard to soak up.

Hatton is gutted, feel bad for him.
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Post by John Bloody Wayne Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:10 pm

Sad scenes.

I didn't think Ricky would make the fight as close as that if I'm honest. I thought if he made it to the end he'd definitely get the points verdict. He wasn't schooled, but it would not likely have been close if Hatton were at his best, cliched though the statement is...

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Post by spencerclarke Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:10 pm

Unfortunately exactly why I didn't watch it. You've had a cracking career and the Biritish public have loved the ride but Ricky go get proper help now and give up this game.

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Post by hampo17 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:10 pm

Feel so sorry for him, he is a genuinely top guy and I honestly believe he thought hed be able to step straight back in without any problems. Was it to tough of a challange to take straight away?

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Post by TopHat24/7 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:12 pm

Union Cane wrote:Don't want to say I told you so, but....

Had to happen eventually.....

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:13 pm

How can Hatton ever mention his own name and failure in the same sentence?

He is one of the greatest fighters we have ever had.

That is the most heartbreaking interview I have heard in boxing.

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Post by TheMackemMawler Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:13 pm

I can't understand why Ricky abandoned the body shots later in the fight when he was having such success early on. His timing was out so he should have stuck to the larger target throughout, the body.

I really feel for Hatton. He was on the floor for what seemed an age, it will kill him watching that back.

Salt of the earth, heart on his sleeve.

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Post by seanmichaels Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:13 pm

only usually cry on sundays.

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Post by Guest Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:14 pm

For those that haven't caught this yet:

A tearful Ricky Hatton, speaking to Primetime: "I thought I was maybe four rounds up but there were clear signs of ring rust. I hurt him a few times, and I was winning. I don't want to make any hasty decisions but I am really heartbroken. It was a good shot, I should have realised he was looking for that. I suppose that is what three-and-a-half years out of the ring does. I think I did alright - this guy only lost his unbeaten record in his last fight. I am just gutted. I am not a failure, that is not how my career should end but I have to have a good think about it now."

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Post by 88Chris05 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:15 pm

Quite an upsetting interview with Ricky there. How were we all scoring it before the stoppage then?

I had it dead even, four rounds apiece. Was happy to give Hatton the closer, scrappy rounds due to him forcing the issue, but the cleaner boxing was coming from Senchenko, over and over again.
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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:15 pm

That interview was hard to watch, genuinely distraught and given past occurrences you hope he doesn't do anything stupid

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Post by Steffan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:16 pm

McKenzie and Froch aint exactly helping the situation

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Post by Fists of Fury Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:16 pm

That truly was heartbreaking. Ricky's failed nobody, he lost to two fighters that would have knocked seven bells out of 99% of fighters that have ever existed, the two greatest of his generation, and to be KO'd by them is no disgrace.

He copped a good body shot then, it can happen, but that wasn't the same Ricky Hatton.

I just hope he can be at peace within himself after that...that interview has worried me because it seems he thinks he is a failure. Let's just hope the right people say the right things to him and he realises his value to this country as a fighter and an ambassador. He's one of our finest and his legacy will not be tarnished by this fight. In fact it was a success in the most important way - he got his life back on track and proved plenty to himself and others.

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Post by Fists of Fury Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:17 pm

Chris, I had it the same as you. A properly scored fight would likely have seen Senchenko take that by two had it gone the distance.

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Post by Rowley Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:18 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Quite an upsetting interview with Ricky there. How were we all scoring it before the stoppage then?


I didn't score it but my gut was Senchenko was a couple up but as you say there were a couple fo scrappy ones, in those I tended to go with Senchenko as the quality was with him, could not really give them Hatton because for me he wasn't really forcing the issue was just plodding forward eating jabs.

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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:19 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Quite an upsetting interview with Ricky there. How were we all scoring it before the stoppage then?

I had it dead even, four rounds apiece. Was happy to give Hatton the closer, scrappy rounds due to him forcing the issue, but the cleaner boxing was coming from Senchenko, over and over again.

Wasn't scoring round by round after the first few as I was more concerned with how bad Hatton looked. Based on the pattern of the fight, it was very close so I would agree with your scoring a draw or Senchenko up slightly, not Hatton by 4 rounds like in the interview.

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Post by 88Chris05 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:19 pm

I agree that if anyone deserved to be up it would have been Senchenko, Jeff.
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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:20 pm

88Chris05 wrote:Quite an upsetting interview with Ricky there. How were we all scoring it before the stoppage then?

I had it dead even, four rounds apiece. Was happy to give Hatton the closer, scrappy rounds due to him forcing the issue, but the cleaner boxing was coming from Senchenko, over and over again.

If the 9th had finished Chris I'd have given it to Senchenko making it 5-4 in his favour. Hattons timing was well off and he was too easy to hit. That said he did have a few good moments and won the first half of the fight. Senchenko, like most east European fighters, has good fundamentals and Hatton doesn't give enough angles to negate the jab & straight right. A shame, hopefully Ricky can be more accepting of this defeat knowing he gave it his best shot.


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Post by BoxingFan88 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:20 pm

Anyway guys i'm off to bed, I'll be back on at 3 o'clock for Berto vs Guerrero.

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Post by two_ton Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:21 pm

Well, been banned by Union for "streaming" - Didn't post a link, just said I will be streaming the fight by my own means. And would like an explanation why as i broke F.A. in terms of house rules.

And feel so, so bad for Hatton. Had it all square but he looked so, so bad. This guy is a poor fighter and he gassed big time and looked amateur like even in the early rounds.

The guy is shot, massively.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:25 pm

two_ton wrote:.
And feel so, so bad for Hatton. Had it all square but he looked so, so bad. This guy is a poor fighter and he gassed big time and looked amateur like even in the early rounds.

The guy is shot, massively.

Coxy

I wouldn't say Hatton gassed, in fact I thought fitness wise he looked good, it was his timing that wasn't there, but yeah I agree he is massively shot.
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Post by Steffan Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:26 pm

two_ton wrote:Well, been banned by Union for "streaming"
Well the thing about streaming is...its bad. If you stream fights...your bad. So dont stream fights. Cos streaming fights is bad. So dont stream fights

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Post by seanmichaels Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:26 pm

wind it in coxy. you get a leathering and come up with a speech. c@nt

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Post by Fists of Fury Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:26 pm

Coxy, I believe the ban is for 7 days, just so you know.

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Post by Union Cane Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:28 pm

two_ton wrote:Well, been banned by Union for "streaming" - Didn't post a link, just said I will be streaming the fight by my own means. And would like an explanation why as i broke F.A. in terms of house rules.

And feel so, so bad for Hatton. Had it all square but he looked so, so bad. This guy is a poor fighter and he gassed big time and looked amateur like even in the early rounds.

The guy is shot, massively.

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I didn't ban you. I will ban you for creating a duplicate account though, as that is against site rules.
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Post by ShahenshahG Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:29 pm

if you throw punches with full force and miss they wear you out totally - fitness wise he seemed okish - just missing too much and throwing too much Hayemakers.

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Post by JabMachineMK2 Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm

Rowley has been pretty clear, and the other mods too, time to reform Coxy!

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Post by jimdig Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm

I thought he did alright. Up to the finish of course. Granted I was coming from a place of very low expectations. Hatton has been a 6 round fighter for a long time, and he was up after 6.
He was in bits after it though, you've got to feel for the guy, that fight was everything for him.

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Post by tomfinneywalksonwater Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:30 pm

What channel is Froch on? Apparently he's giving Hatton a bit of a kicking

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Post by Commander Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:32 pm

Froch is a first class d1ck that is now confirmed. His time will come.

Hatton seemed quite fit just timing was off and he went back in with a top 5 after 3.5 years. Props for that. I would say take a couple of tune ups and learn to jab.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:34 pm

Senchenko didn't have to do much to win the fight - Ricky did a lot of it for him by chasing, throwing wild punches and walking in straight lines, a lot of Senchenko's stuff was like pad work against Hattons static head. The body shot was nice though, you could see how badly Ricky wanted to get up but it just wasn't there.
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Post by ShahenshahG Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:34 pm

Ignore Froch - Spiteful envious Bar Steward.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Sat 24 Nov 2012, 11:35 pm

Commander wrote:Froch is a first class d1ck that is now confirmed. His time will come.

Hatton seemed quite fit just timing was off and he went back in with a top 5 after 3.5 years. Props for that. I would say take a couple of tune ups and learn to jab.

Bit late in the day for that! I would say retire for good but keep in shape.
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