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Post by ScarletSpiderman Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:42 pm

First topic message reminder :

Preview: Scarlets v Munster

Scarlets have won their last two fixtures at Parc y Scarlets, over Leicester in the Anglo-Welsh Cup and Connacht in the RaboDirect PRO12.

Munster have won five of their last six contests in all competitions. The Munstermen have won their last two away games in the RaboDirect PRO12, but have not won three in a row on the road in the same season in the tournament since 2010/11.
Scarlets beat Munster 13-6 at Musgrave Park in round nine, and have not completed a league double over the Munstermen since 2003/04.

At Parc y Scarlets , 6.30pm Live on S4C/RTE Sport
Referee: Dudley Phillips (IRFU, 31st competition game)
Assistant Referees: Neil Hennessy, Simon Rees (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Russell Howell (WRU)
TMO: Gareth Simmonds (WRU)

SCARLETS -
Gareth Owen,
Liam Williams,
Gareth Maule,
Adam Warren,
Andy Fenby,
Owen Williams,
Aled Davies,

Phil John,
Emyr Phillips
Jacobie Adriaanse
George Earle
Johan Synman
Rob McCusker (capt)
Josh Turnbull
Kieran Murphy.

Replacements: 16 Kirby Myhill, 17 Rhodri Jones, 18 Samson Lee, 19 Jake Ball, 20 Johnathan Edwards, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 Aled Thomas 23 Nick Reynolds.

MUNSTER -

I Keatley;
D Hurley,
I Dineen,
JJ Hanrahan,
J Murphy;
R O’Gara,
D Williams;

W du Preez,
M Sherry,
BJ Botha;
D O’Callaghan,
I Nagle;
CJ Stander,
T O’Donnell,
P Butler.

Replacements: D Varley, J Ryan, S Archer, B Holland, S Dougall, C Sheridan, D Barnes, C Laulala.


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Post by flyhalffactory Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:13 pm

valjester wrote:I'll keep criticising ROG if he keeps playing so badly.

Good evening everyone and Happy New Year

Managed to get this on the box

ROG actually has been having an ok game so far, he certainly is not on to tackle or take on 3 or 4 guys. The Munster back row and certainly their engine room are slow around the loose and not providing any platform for the halfbacks

I think you can smell the tension in the air.......... gripping stuff
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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:15 pm

Poor pass by JJ ruins promising Munster move, should have done better, interesting enough half but Duncan Williams surely cannot stay on the pitch much longer, once again he is hopeless. I remember seeing him years ago and thinking he had so much potential but he has never kicked on and should not have a pro contract at this stage of his career.

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Post by ME-109 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:15 pm

valjester wrote:I'll keep criticising ROG if he keeps playing so badly.

You can do what you want mate but given you are some clueless prat I suppose I shouldn't take notice..carry on with your rubbish...

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:19 pm

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valjester wrote:I'll keep criticising ROG if he keeps playing so badly.

You can do what you want mate but given you are some clueless prat I suppose I shouldn't take notice..carry on with your rubbish...

Thank you for your kind words. But seriously, Rog is past it and it is sad to see him playing so badly compared to how good he once was. It is 18 months at least since ROG turned in an entirely good performance. His kicking has lost a lot of distance, from the tee and from hand. His kicking in that half, and last weekend against England, is not accurate enough to put Munster on the front foot and is instead inviting the Scarlets back three to counter attack. His passing is no longer as accurate as it once was. He is nearly 36 years old, time has caught up on him, he is playing poorly.

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Post by ME-109 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:20 pm

Haha..Williams is also doing well tonight...what's the story Val are you one of those ex schoolboy types whose alma mater got beaten yet again by pres or christians

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Post by neilthom7 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:20 pm

wow Hook just criticised ROG didn't see that coming but then O'Gara he hasn't had a good first half so I guess he is calling what he sees. Munster need to up it here if they are going to win.

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Post by ME-109 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:21 pm

Jj and keatley have done most of that kicking you dolt...

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:23 pm

DOD wrote:Haha..Williams is also doing well tonight...what's the story Val are you one of those ex schoolboy types whose alma mater got beaten yet again by pres or christians
You think Williams is doing well?? Shocked

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Post by flyhalffactory Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:26 pm

valjester wrote:
DOD wrote:
valjester wrote:I'll keep criticising ROG if he keeps playing so badly.

You can do what you want mate but given you are some clueless prat I suppose I shouldn't take notice..carry on with your rubbish...

Thank you for your kind words. But seriously, Rog is past it and it is sad to see him playing so badly compared to how good he once was. It is 18 months at least since ROG turned in an entirely good performance. His kicking has lost a lot of distance, from the tee and from hand. His kicking in that half, and last weekend against England, is not accurate enough to put Munster on the front foot and is instead inviting the Scarlets back three to counter attack. His passing is no longer as accurate as it once was. He is nearly 36 years old, time has caught up on him, he is playing poorly.

ROGs age, how good he was etc is of no relevance. The only relevance here is

"Is he the horse for the course?", "Is he the best option for Munster tonight?"

DOD, Bluemuff what's your opinion?

In my opinion he is not playing poorly............. he has not had any room or platform so far
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Post by BlueMuff Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:26 pm

I agree its actually been Williams best performance for Munster. He setting the centres into space with some angled passes. Still dont think he is great but its harsh to be criticising him tonight

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:28 pm

BlueMuff wrote:I agree its actually been Williams best performance for Munster. He setting the centres into space with some angled passes. Still dont think he is great but its harsh to be criticising him tonight

Seriously? His passing has been as bad as usual, and his decision making is terrible.

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Post by BlueMuff Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:28 pm

Fly, Keatley would be my first starter for Munster at 10. I get nervous anytime ROG has the ball in mid field. He should retire.

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:30 pm

DOD wrote:Jj and keatley have done most of that kicking you dolt...

No they haven't. You are telling me to open my eyes yet are incapable of telling the difference between the players. And no none of the schools I attended ever played any Cork teams.

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Post by Golden Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:31 pm

Scarlets have a kick at half way then DOC loses 10 metres for backchat! Doh

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:32 pm

That is a ridiculously soft penalty.

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Post by neilthom7 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:32 pm

DOD wrote:Jj and keatley have done most of that kicking you dolt...

Was that aimed at me? If it was it's a bit uncalled for ain't it and O'Gara has missed 2 shots at goal right I suppose that was Keatley too, please stop sticking up for a guy who is not playing well. I would also point out that I said nothing about kicking. You are clearly a bit dellusional.

O'Callaghan should know better than to argue with the ref there.

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:33 pm

neilthom7 wrote:
DOD wrote:Jj and keatley have done most of that kicking you dolt...

Was that aimed at me? If it was it's a bit uncalled for ain't it and O'Gara has missed 2 shots at goal right I suppose that was Keatley too, please stop sticking up for a guy who is not playing well. I would also point out that I said nothing about kicking. You are clearly a bit dellusional.

O'Callaghan should know better than to argue with the ref there.

It was aimed at me, see his previous comments towards me.

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Post by Golden Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:34 pm

Is du preezs contract finished this year?

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:35 pm

Golden wrote:Is du preezs contract finished this year?

I've heard he won't be at Munster next season.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:36 pm

G Owen is having a good game, the ref need to produce some yellow cards to reduce the penalties it is spoiling the game.

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Post by flyhalffactory Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:36 pm

valjester wrote:
DOD wrote:
valjester wrote:I'll keep criticising ROG if he keeps playing so badly.

You can do what you want mate but given you are some clueless prat I suppose I shouldn't take notice..carry on with your rubbish...

Thank you for your kind words. But seriously, Rog is past it and it is sad to see him playing so badly compared to how good he once was. It is 18 months at least since ROG turned in an entirely good performance. His kicking has lost a lot of distance, from the tee and from hand. His kicking in that half, and last weekend against England, is not accurate enough to put Munster on the front foot and is instead inviting the Scarlets back three to counter attack. His passing is no longer as accurate as it once was. He is nearly 36 years old, time has caught up on him, he is playing poorly.

ROGs age, how good he was etc is of no relevance. The only relevance here is

"Is he the horse for the course?", "Is he the best option for Munster tonight?"

DOD, Bluemuff what's your opinion?

In my opinion he is not playing poorly............. he has not had any room or platform so far
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Post by Golden Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:38 pm

Probably a good thing. Could do with getting rid of both SA props to be honest.

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Post by Golden Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:39 pm

What a shocker of a kick from O' Gara. Absolutely appalling

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Post by neilthom7 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:40 pm

Thats so odd from O'Gara despite all criticism etc he has always been a good goal kicker, is it a possibility that he is feeling pressure from the younger guys?

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

flyhalffactory wrote:

ROGs age, how good he was etc is of no relevance. The only relevance here is

"Is he the horse for the course?", "Is he the best option for Munster tonight?"

DOD, Bluemuff what's your opinion?

In my opinion he is not playing poorly............. he has not had any room or platform so far

How good he was if of relevance, because it seems to cloud people's opinions on how good he is now.

He is not playing well, look at the difference in how the two backlines are playing, Rog is just shovelling the ball along the Munster line, not threatening any breaks, allowing the Scarlets defense drift across and target the ball receiver. He is not a horse for courses selection because he cannot play to Penney's game plan. Keatley and JJ can.

Williams dithers again putting Munster under lots of pressure.

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Post by Guest Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

Who missed that penalty kick? Couldn't have been O'Gara could it? Whistle

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

Holley must be having an impact on the scarlets they are tackling!

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Post by BlueMuff Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

Its sad to see such a legend struggle like this. He needs to hang up the boots.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:41 pm

There is absolutley no way ROG can start for Ireland. This is just awful.

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Post by neilthom7 Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:43 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:There is absolutley no way ROG can start for Ireland. This is just awful.

It is what Kidney thinks though so expect to see him on the teamsheet

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:43 pm

neilthom7 wrote:Thats so odd from O'Gara despite all criticism etc he has always been a good goal kicker, is it a possibility that he is feeling pressure from the younger guys?

I think he is. If you look at some of his decision making earlier in the season, taking short drop outs trying to show he can create stuff, and making mistakes by taking the wrong options. He usually always played smartly, but the pressure us making him taking unnecessary risks.

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:45 pm

Should have been a penalty to Munster there. First nice bit of play by ROG tonight.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:46 pm

This reminds me of the Munster v Ospreys, Munster never looked like getting through just going side to side, Scarlets tackling going well so far.

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Post by flyhalffactory Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:47 pm

That was a very poor attempt by ROG, perhaps bring Keatley into the 10 slot?

Saying that Munster are getting turned over quite a bit
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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:49 pm

flyhalffactory wrote:That was a very poor attempt by ROG, perhaps bring Keatley into the 10 slot?

Saying that Munster are getting turned over quite a bit
Should put JJ at ten He's the only one who can make something out of nothing. He is being wasted at Munster imo.


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Post by flyhalffactory Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:49 pm

Samson Lee is quite a prospect
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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:50 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
flyhalffactory wrote:That was a very poor attempt by ROG, perhaps bring Keatley into the 10 slot?

Saying that Munster are getting turned over quite a bit
Should put JJ at then. He's the only one who can make something out of nothing. He is being wasted at Munster imo.

In fairness I've heard there were some slight problems with his attitude in the first half of the season, but he is supposed to have got his head right now. He looks decent any time he sees the ball.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:52 pm

Scarlets have a flyhalf that can kick drop goals.

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:56 pm

The ref is being extremely inconsistent with penalising the defending team for going off their feet, Munster seem to have been penalised every few rucks, but Scarlets are getting away with flopping at every ruck.

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Post by glamorganalun Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:56 pm

This must be the most clueless Munster team I have ever seen

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Post by valjester Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:58 pm

Bad mistake by JJ

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Post by Golden Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:00 am

I think Munster were better to watch under McGahon, really doesn't say much for Penney

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:02 am

Cathal Sheridan looks a decent prospect.

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Post by valjester Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:04 am

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Cathal Sheridan looks a decent prospect.


He has a lovely pass tbf, jesus poor pass by LLL but JJ should have held that.

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Post by valjester Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:06 am

F**king hopeless.

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Post by glamorganalun Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:06 am

The second row looked miles offside when ROG kicked that ball.

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Post by glamorganalun Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:09 am

LaLaLa is not doing very well everybody knows he is not going to pass, he is better when the back line is moving forward.

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Post by BlueMuff Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:10 am

Dreadful stuff but want to say good was Sherry tonight. He is pure class

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Post by valjester Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:11 am

glamorganalun wrote:LaLaLa is not doing very well everybody knows he is not going to pass, he is better when the back line is moving forward.

He has been a terrible signing for Munster, absolutely beyond poor.

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Post by valjester Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:12 am

BlueMuff wrote:Dreadful stuff but want to say good was Sherry tonight. He is pure class

He was unlucky to be binned, I'd have him ahead of Cronin atm if I'm completely honest.

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