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[hampo17]

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CompuBox Analysis: Broner vs. Rees

Friday, February 15, 2013 at 10:00AM


by CompuBox

If Adrien Broner sought to emulate the career path of his idol Floyd Mayweather Jr., the verdict as of Saturday is this: So far, so good.

Like "Money," Broner won the WBC super featherweight title, then, in his last fight, won the WBC lightweight belt, gaining them in the same order and from the same sanctioning body as his hero. On Saturday, "The Problem" will face arguably his most experienced opponent in terms of facing world-class opponents in Welshman Gavin Rees, who comes into the fight with a 37-1-1 (18 KO) record.

The 32-year-old Rees is looking to make his own bit of history. Should he upset Broner, he will become only the second onetime 140-pound titlist to drop down and win a belt at 135. The first: Carlos Ortiz, who beat Joe Brown in April 1962 after holding the 140-pound crown previously.

The identity of Saturday's winner may be found in their previous CompuBox-tracked fights:




Also Max Kellerman takes a look at just how good Broner is;

Lightweight champion and possible superstar-in-the-making Adrien “The Problem” Broner returns to our screens on Saturday, when he defends his title against Welshman Gavin Rees. Love him or hate him (and there are plenty of fans who feel one way or the other), it’s impossible to ignore the brash young man from Cincinnati. His meteoric rise has included dominant (and sometimes controversy-tinged) wins against the likes of Eloy Perez and Vicente Escobedo; most recently, he annihilated Antonio DeMarco in what may have been the stand-out performance of his career so far.

We sat down with HBO Boxing analyst Max Kellerman, who will call Saturday’s fight alongside Jim Lampley and Roy Jones, and he offered his thoughts on Broner’s boxing, personality and career trajectory.



There’s Surely Somebody Out There Who Can Beat Broner or Give Him Trouble, But We Don’t Yet Know Who It Is

“It is to Broner’s credit that a guy like Gavin Rees, who’s a legitimate fighter, is ordinary compared to him. And the thing is, most fighters are ordinary compared to Broner. There are two kinds of fighters who could give Broner trouble. One is a guy who is on his level: if he fought Floyd Mayweather, that would be a difficult fight, right? For both guys. And the second is someone who possesses whatever kind of style happens to trouble him. We’re not sure what that is yet: is it a southpaw, someone who’s aggressive but cute, like Daniel Ponce de Leon was at the time Broner fought him [and struggled to a decision win in 2011]? Because Broner struggled in that fight, does that mean that’s the kind of fighter who will always trouble him? Or was that just a younger fighter having an off-night against a veteran?”



He Maximizes His Advantages

“His basic philosophy seems to be: I’m faster than you, I’m stronger, I hit harder, I’m more skilled, I have a better defense. There are two directions you can take that. You can totally minimize the risk in the fight and win as you please. Or you can say, because I have all these advantages, then the more exchanges there are, the more damage I’m going to do. So Broner steps inside punching range and beats the hell out of guys.”



If He Ends Up as Good as We Think He Might Be, We’ll Look Back on His Last Fight as Exhibit A

“I’m not saying Broner is going to the Hall of Fame. But if he is, his victory over Antonio DeMarco is a time capsule fight. If Broner turns out to be this super-special great fighter, that is a classic example of a great fighter in his prime. DeMarco was widely regarded as the second best guy in the division, and how many more perfect fights can you have? It was one of the more thorough beatdowns I’ve ever seen. It was a virtuoso performance.”



His Personality May Grate, But He Aims to Please

“He’ll turn some people off because they view him as arrogant. But if you talk to him, he’s a good guy. His celebration of self is meant to include other people. He wants you to celebrate him too. It’s not intended to be alienating. Floyd Mayweather has a celebration of self in which, to a certain portion of the population, he wants to play as the antihero. Broner isn’t really doing that. He isn’t going to change who he is to make you like him, but he wants you to like him.”



Let’s Line Them Up and See What We’ve Got

“I believe Broner and Broner’s people think that they’ve got the goods, and I think it’s first come first served. That’s what it seems to me. Broner is such a superior talent that it’s simply a matter of staying consistent and ultimately showing us what we suspect: That he’s much better than everyone, and he’s one of those guys who can fight one top guy after another and lick them. That’s the suspicion and now here’s the fun part: Let’s see if he can do it.”



Note: Following the postponement of the Johnathon Banks-Seth Mitchell rematch, which was scheduled to open Saturday’s broadcast, Broner-Rees will now be preceded by a super-middleweight contest between Sakio Bika and Nikola Sjekloca. Montenegro’s Sjekloca is undefeated but untested on the world stage; he’ll be up against by far the toughest and most experienced opponent of his career in Cameroon-born veteran Bika, who has been in with the likes of Joe Calzaghe, Lucian Bute and Andre Ward. The winner of the bout will be in line for a crack at one of Ward’s super-middleweight belts.

[Dr Gregory House MD]

It's work rate vs a touch of class just now

[superflyweight]

Keep the updates coming please, chaps. Having to sit with my daughter until she falls back asleep (bloody teething) and can't go downstairs to watch the fight in case it fully wakes her.

[88Chris05]

Hhhhmmm.....Rees a bit too brave for his own good there. Did immensely well to survive the round, though.

[Dr Gregory House MD]

Props to Gav for even surviving that round.

[JabMachineMK2]

What a horrible individual. if Broner made noises like that in my gym he'd get kicked out. Shakes his head every time he gets hit by Rees, which is a total joke.

Jim Watt is irritating me too, why the hell isn't he getting behind Rees? He's licking the proverbial butthole of Broner so badly its sickening. Broner is getting away with forearms. Horrible.

Rees 1 up, 2 rounds Rees, one even, but then the 10 - 8 from R4.

[JabMachineMK2]

I will go out and say that JMM will destroy Broner at the moment. Not seeing anything impressive.

[JabMachineMK2]

Premature stoppage. Referee was on him from the beginning. Telling him off for hitting behind the head when Broner was turning while clinching.

Jim Watt has just confirmed my dislike for him. How far up Broners backside can you get?

[Dr Gregory House MD]

There goes my tenner

[88Chris05]

Stopped in the fifth, right at the death of the round. Rees down for another count, this time through one hell of a body shot, and again he did well to get up. Lockett rescued him as Broner had him staggering to the corner.

However, that was one seriously gutsy performance from Rees.

[Diamond in the rough]

£140 thank you broner/Lockett

[Champagne_Socialist]

I think the issue here is the size difference. Rees could hit broner with his best shots but he is so much smaller than broner that his punches just do not hurt. the size difference was massive. Broner always seems to fight smaller guys.

[Dr Gregory House MD]

Stopped in the fifth, right at the death of the round. Rees down for another count, this time through one hell of a body shot, and again he did well to get up. Lockett rescued him as Broner had him staggering to the corner.

However, that was one seriously gutsy performance from Rees.

Agreed Rees was balls personified from where I was sitting.

[Duty281]

Broner's quality, just wish he wasn't so much of a t**t. Credit to Rees, very gutsy but he just wasn't in Broner's class.

[Diamond in the rough]

They both weighed in at 150lbs I think so exact same size

[Dr Gregory House MD]

Anyone else finding this post-match interview a bit sickening?

[bellchees]

Rees is one tough customer but had nothing to trouble Broner with in his punches.

I'd like to see Broner in with someone who can hurt him so he can't just walk in ignoring his boxing and relying on his physical gifts, bad habit to get into.

[JabMachineMK2]

On Vasquez and Burns "Who are those guys?"

Despicable human being. Total lack of respect.

Think Rees could have continued.

Pretty sure I must be watching something else? Broner quality? I saw him prove he's better than Ress for sure in round 3+ but he's nothing special. I can name 20 better boxers right now.

[John Bloody Wayne]

Broner's an excellent fighter, no doubt, but his post fight interview just confirms how much I'd love to see Edwin Valero reanimated to humble him.

Huge respect to Gavin Rees. He did everything he could. 135lbs of desire.

[88Chris05]

Not sure it was premature, Jabby - only my opinion, mind. Gavin was taking an absolute shellacking any point after the first two rounds, game though he was, and Broner had him figured out good 'n' proper by the end of the fifth. I think Lockett was right to wave the towel.

Sadly, Broner's ability to box is more than matched by his ability to be an absolutely giant dildo in interviews.

[JabMachineMK2]

Rees could have carried on - the referee was all over him and Rees wanted to weather that storm, you could see it.

[bellchees]

On Vasquez and Burns "Who are those guys?"

Despicable human being. Total lack of respect.

Think Rees could have continued.

Pretty sure I must be watching something else? Broner quality? I saw him prove he's better than Ress for sure in round 3+ but he's nothing special. I can name 20 better boxers right now.

Think your being harsh on him because he is a massive tool, forget that and watch him fight. Devastating power, speed and accuracy. Needs to work on his defence but he only lost any rounds tonight while he was just seeing what Rees had, get the feeling he could have ended that earlier if he wanted to.

[Dr Gregory House MD]

That's the second time I've seen Broner and I'm very impressed by his speed, power and counter-punching at least against a lower class opponent, thought he was a bit lacadazical at times, could get punished by a better class of fighter.

[88Chris05]

I've got no doubts that he wanted to fight on, Jabby, but it's a rare fighter who doesn't think he's fit to continue in such circumstances. As brave and game as Rees was - and he's more than done himself proud - all I could see in store for him was another one round, two at the most, of similar pain and punishment before Broner would have ended the show by hook or crook.

[Champagne_Socialist]

They both weighed in at 150lbs I think so exact same size

We know weigh in weight and fight weight is drastically different. You have just seen Broner v Rees and if you're telling me you think they are the same size you should re watch it. broner is massive.

[JabMachineMK2]

Think your being harsh on him because he is a massive tool, forget that and watch him fight. Devastating power, speed and accuracy. Needs to work on his defence but he only lost any rounds tonight while he was just seeing what Rees had, get the feeling he could have ended that earlier if he wanted to.

Think you're being unnecessarily condescending, stop it.

I'm a big fan of Floyd Mayweather, and the tools don't come much bigger than that. I didn't see "devastating" anything. He has good power, good speed and accuracy while being defensively sound but come on, can you honestly see Marquez having problems with him if he came down to his natural weight? If he had devastating power he would have put him away in round 4. Flash knockdown by a great punch, but it was hardly a Pacquiao vs Hatton punch.

If he goes to light welterweight, he'll beat the current crop because he has a large stature for a lightweight, but put him in with Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, Alexander, Brook, Ortiz, Marquez etc and he'll look ordinary.

[bellchees]

They both weighed in at 150lbs I think so exact same size

We know weigh in weight and fight weight is drastically different. You have just seen Broner v Rees and if you're telling me you think they are the same size you should re watch it. broner is massive.

They weighed 150lb on fight night so they were the same weight and Rees was half a pound heavier at the weigh in.

[Champagne_Socialist]

On Vasquez and Burns "Who are those guys?"

Despicable human being. Total lack of respect.

Think Rees could have continued.

Pretty sure I must be watching something else? Broner quality? I saw him prove he's better than Ress for sure in round 3+ but he's nothing special. I can name 20 better boxers right now.

Think your being harsh on him because he is a massive tool, forget that and watch him fight. Devastating power, speed and accuracy. Needs to work on his defence but he only lost any rounds tonight while he was just seeing what Rees had, get the feeling he could have ended that earlier if he wanted to.

let's be honest Broner has faced some B level opposition. Rees is tough but he is a domestic level fighter who gave up 3 inches of height and on the night a lot of weight.

Broner needs to move up a weight division and fight a real international level fighter.

[Champagne_Socialist]

They both weighed in at 150lbs I think so exact same size

We know weigh in weight and fight weight is drastically different. You have just seen Broner v Rees and if you're telling me you think they are the same size you should re watch it. broner is massive.

They weighed 150lb on fight night so they were the same weight and Rees was half a pound heavier at the weigh in.

He must be hiding all of that weight under his shorts then cos the guy looked tiny. He was 3 inches smaller and half a pound heavier yet he still looked tiny body wise.

[88Chris05]

Anyway, I'm off to get some Zzzzzzz time.

Sorry Jabby, I'll have to make my final point another one of disagreement with you, mate! I think Broner has more than surpassed 'good' with this showing; he's not quite in that Mayweather, Ward or Donaire class just yet, but he's not a million miles off. The speed and power is pretty scary once he turns it on and, regardless of how great they look in doing it, the winner of Vazquez-Burns will start as a huge underdog against this lad. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he's one hell of a talent.

G'night, all!

[bellchees]

Think your being harsh on him because he is a massive tool, forget that and watch him fight. Devastating power, speed and accuracy. Needs to work on his defence but he only lost any rounds tonight while he was just seeing what Rees had, get the feeling he could have ended that earlier if he wanted to.

Think you're being unnecessarily condescending, stop it.

I'm a big fan of Floyd Mayweather, and the tools don't come much bigger than that. I didn't see "devastating" anything. He has good power, good speed and accuracy while being defensively sound but come on, can you honestly see Marquez having problems with him if he came down to his natural weight? If he had devastating power he would have put him away in round 4. Flash knockdown by a great punch, but it was hardly a Pacquiao vs Hatton punch.

If he goes to light welterweight, he'll beat the current crop because he has a large stature for a lightweight, but put him in with Mayweather, Pacquiao, Bradley, Alexander, Brook, Ortiz, Marquez etc and he'll look ordinary.

I can see Marquez having lots of problems with him, it's a bit early to say how he will do against most of the names you mention as they are 2 divisions above him but if Marquez were to come down to Lightweight to fight him its a real tough fight. Marquez won't be coming down to Lightweight though so it doesn't matter. I'd pick Broner to deal with the winner of Burns vs Vasquez though which would be 2 divisions dealt with and moving on to a very strong division in Light welter where there are great fights for him.

[Duty281]

Dear me, just watched his interview. Can easily imagine he's the sort of bloke who surrounds himself with 'yes' men, cuts corners in training, and believes he just has to turn up to win. Hope he fights Ricky Burns in Scotland next, he'll fall apart when he hears the crowd!

[Dr Gregory House MD]

Dear me, just watched his interview. Can easily imagine he's the sort of bloke who surrounds himself with 'yes' men, cuts corners in training, and believes he just has to turn up to win. Hope he fights Ricky Burns in Scotland next, he'll fall apart when he hears the crowd!

Depends if the fights in the Glasgow area, what school you went to is more important down there than anything he says or does.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Dear me, just watched his interview. Can easily imagine he's the sort of bloke who surrounds himself with 'yes' men, cuts corners in training, and believes he just has to turn up to win. Hope he fights Ricky Burns in Scotland next, he'll fall apart when he hears the crowd!

Depends if the fights in the Glasgow area, what school you went to is more important down there than anything he says or does.

If it's in Glasgow pretty sure Broner would wear an england football t-shirt.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Broner is an ignorant tool.

He would have more fans if he stopped acting like a child.

G.Mclennen had a massive attitude problem too but boxing is a serious game as we know. Humility with a dash of confidence is fine but this guy is just not funny, or impressive.

[hampo17]

This fight showed me a hell of a lot about Broner. Stick him with someone who can really bang and it's a dead 50/50 fight because he gets caught clean quite a lot. Marquez, Danny Garcia, Marcus Maidana all would be interesting fights and hopefully he'll step up to 140lbs and we'll get to see them.

Fair play to Rees came in and gave it his best but was always going to be short in the class department, sounded like the fans really warmed to him for the effort he put in but he isn't quite world class.

Broner showed some respect to Rees after the fight, and this is a hell of a quote "I had to see how much gas was in that little Toyota he's pushing"

[ONETWOFOREVER]

This fight showed me a hell of a lot about Broner. Stick him with someone who can really bang and it's a dead 50/50 fight because he gets caught clean quite a lot. Marquez, Danny Garcia, Marcus Maidana all would be interesting fights and hopefully he'll step up to 140lbs and we'll get to see them.

Fair play to Rees came in and gave it his best but was always going to be short in the class department, sounded like the fans really warmed to him for the effort he put in but he isn't quite world class.

Broner showed some respect to Rees after the fight, and this is a hell of a quote "I had to see how much gas was in that little Toyota he's pushing"

To be honest hampo I think Broner was in 2nd gear for that fight. Against Demarco a far better fighter then Rees who has longer reach Broner boxed very well so I did not learn much from this fight about Broner other then the fact that he was miles ahead of Rees's level.

[hampo17]

Difference between Escabado and Rees is that Escbado wanted to stand on the outside, Rees landed while on the inside and if someone with power can get there then maybe we'd see a weakness.

That said Broner is the next big superstar of boxing IMO.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

I think Burns is made for Broners style.

If you come forward with your guard up like Burns Broner would pick you off.

[Colan (niner)]

I love everyone moaning about Broner's lack of respect, he loves when people bite, he knows he sells well because everyone wants him knocked out. I was impressed by him and still think he will be pound for pound king one day, but we need to see him beat Burns and then face a contender at 140 before he can be considered truly elite. I personally found his post fight interview entertaining. Its all front, and you can't stop watching. Besides he showed a little class later when he spoke to sky.

[Imperial Ghosty]

Does he sell that well though? Someone who did that many numbers would be having the big boys at 140lbs knocking down his door to face him.

[Colan (niner)]

Does he sell that well though? Someone who did that many numbers would be having the big boys at 140lbs knocking down his door to face him.

I remember reading that Broner got lots of viewers for his fights, not sure how it compares to the stars at 140 though.

[Imperial Ghosty]

There's having lots of viewers but it's those who pay that matter.

[Colan (niner)]

There's having lots of viewers but it's those who pay that matter.

I think he'll do fine considering GoldenBoy have forcefed him to people for a while now. He has sold out some decent sized arena's from the looks of it too. I'd pay to see him, and there's only a few top boxers I feel that way about

[Imperial Ghosty]

I think he'll sell off the back of his opponents once he steps it up rather than through himself, he's got talent but he hasn't fought anyone yet.

[Colan (niner)]

I think he'll sell off the back of his opponents once he steps it up rather than through himself, he's got talent but he hasn't fought anyone yet.

I want him to fight Burns and then Alvarez sometime soon. That would boost his profile massively worldwide

[Imperial Ghosty]

You want to chuck a lightweight in with Alvarez?

[ShahenshahG]

I thought you liked Broner.

[Colan (niner)]

You want to chuck a lightweight in with Alvarez?

Haha my mistake, got my mexican's mixed up. After Broner called out Marquez last year, I think that would be a great fight. Beat burns and move up. Not saying it could happen one after the other but hopefully soon

[Imperial Ghosty]

I don't think Marquez has many fights left in him especially against the young guys, he seems more geared towards fighting his fellow veterans now.

[Colan (niner)]

[quote="Imperial Ghosty"]I don't think Marquez has many fights left in him especially against the young guys, he seems more geared towards fighting his fellow veterans now.[/quote

I'll be disappointed when he retires, rarely a boring fight with him involved

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