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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 10 May 2013, 1:27 pm

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Breaking News: Tigers play Harlequins in the play off final at Twickenham.

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2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons
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2009/2010 - Saracens
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11 Homepage - Page 3 57Worcester Warriors2241 17 478 541 -63 42 60 1 11 30
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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:18 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:A backrow of Croft/Warburton/Heaslip would offer next to nothing in carrying, it's all about balance end of the day.

I can't believe Heaslip was considered as captain, he's not exactly covered himself in glory in a green jersey.

Heaslip and warbs are great carriers and do hard yards. Croft great at what he does.that is pretty universally seen as the lions Backrow and I think it is top class.


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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:20 am

Bring on sob at 50/60 minute mark to run at tired players

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 11:21 am

Heaslip doesn't carry in tight or loose well imo, that backrow would struggle.

6. SOB
7. Warburton
8. Faletau

Is my choice, Croft from bench.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 11:23 am

Universal suggests every one is picking it, they are not.

Moody for example picks:

6. Croft
7. Warbs
8. SOB

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 May 2013, 11:24 am

Croft carries very well in dry conditions, like he did yesterday - and its not as though the Aussies have many carriers in their pack to worry about, besides the likes of Roberts, North etc will help out there too.

Thing is that the Lions need to step away from the Welsh mode of playing against the Aussies, hasn't worked at all, as the Aussies can soak up pressure and have the backs to score from anywhere.

Think Foloa is going to be in the starting 15 now that Beale has been a tw at again - what a muppet imploding like he has done during Lions year.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:32 am

On the rugby club they had all the pundits pick their sides and that was the Backrow that every pundit picked.


You need to have hands and creativity in a back row and be able to play heads up rugby. Faletau lacks vision and understanding of the game. That's why he has struggled internationally since his first great season.
He may have a shout of playing 6 which I think is his best position

Sob
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Warburton

Would be very easy to play against and lacks any subtlety. Just brainless bashing up which at international level can be defended easily. Lacks any vision for me.


Excited by the lions.
So much speculation and debate but side usually shapes itself when over there. Always a few surprises

Playing sob at 8 is madness. 8 is a specialist position and you need to be playing there. I was speaking to mike Teague last week and he said he would have to Robshaw as lions 8 if he was picking. Personally I thought it was a bizarre idea

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:33 am

dammit_chris wrote:Croft carries very well in dry conditions, like he did yesterday - and its not as though the Aussies have many carriers in their pack to worry about, besides the likes of Roberts, North etc will help out there too.

Thing is that the Lions need to step away from the Welsh mode of playing against the Aussies, hasn't worked at all, as the Aussies can soak up pressure and have the backs to score from anywhere.

Think Foloa is going to be in the starting 15 now that Beale has been a tw at again - what a muppet imploding like he has done during Lions year.


1000 % agree with that

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Post by DHLS07 Sun 12 May 2013, 11:43 am

SOB is the ideal back row bench option for the Lions. Starting back row is anyones guess.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:46 am

Yes I think sob would be a great bench option.

Wow that croft try is outstanding

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 11:57 am

Tait was magnificent

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 12:02 pm

I didn't know you liked Croft Matt

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 12:27 pm

Always liked croft that's why I bought him off driver.

With croft you have to get the balance of team right so he affects what team you select.

When in form he is a world beater when out of form he looks a bit lightweight.


I went on last lions tour so can't not like croft.

Come back great from nasty injury and lineout is peerless

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 12:29 pm

Croft would work well with Morgan at 8 and a genuine 7

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 12:40 pm

I didn't know you had bought him, explains the recent bigging up lol

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Post by DHLS07 Sun 12 May 2013, 12:50 pm

Croft is a top player but can really mess up your pack unless you get the right people around him. He works at Tigers as they generally decent carriers in the front 5 and a big heavy number 8 who can get go forward ball for them.

He doesn't always have that for England, so at times has looked ineffective in a white shirt. If he starts for the Lions then Gatland will have to make sure that he picks the right players in the other 7 pack positions. I wouldn't be surprised to see a starting Lions back row of 6. Warburton 7. Tipuric 8. Heaslip.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 12:53 pm

Tips is getting a fair backing and it's the sort of thing you can Gatland doing tbh

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 1:05 pm

DHLS07 wrote:Croft is a top player but can really mess up your pack unless you get the right people around him. He works at Tigers as they generally decent carriers in the front 5 and a big heavy number 8 who can get go forward ball for them.

He doesn't always have that for England, so at times has looked ineffective in a white shirt. If he starts for the Lions then Gatland will have to make sure that he picks the right players in the other 7 pack positions. I wouldn't be surprised to see a starting Lions back row of 6. Warburton 7. Tipuric 8. Heaslip.


Agree with that. Croft is difficult to fit in for England when we don't have a big 8 and get little carrying from our second rows.

However with Morgan playing he would work well. Tom wood can play 7 also.

England have 2 top 6s in croft and wood and the debate is whether you play both

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 12 May 2013, 1:16 pm

Think Croft also suffers from England in that we dont play a particularly expansive game, or encourage people like him to really play in a way that best suits his abilities. Think the France game aside he hasnt really done too much under Lancaster.

I am hoping the Argentina tour sees Lancaster change this approach and get players involved who can win us games.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 1:34 pm

I hope the end of the Argentina tour will see Lancaster out of a job with a proper coach in place.

Can't see it happening though

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 1:38 pm

Whoever has Grant Shiels on here has a real talent. Just keeps getting better & better.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:00 pm

Good player shiells. This is a dreadful game

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 May 2013, 2:05 pm

Score?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 May 2013, 2:11 pm

12- 3 I think Pete. Newcastle up 4 on aggregate.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 2:11 pm

12-3 Falcons

Poor conditions, Falcons dominating upfront and playing percentages. All going to plan so far

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:14 pm

12-3 so Newcastle up
By 4.
Leeds now playing with the wind. Low
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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 May 2013, 2:15 pm

Whilst Newcastle deserve to win having been the best team all season, there si part of me that really wants Leeds to win this game.
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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:15 pm

Leeds may tire and fold. N

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 2:16 pm

I wouldn't say low quality, it's forward based from us and working. Pack is doing its job. Conditions are really poor

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:18 pm

Me too Pete. Don't care for either. Understand the need to have rugby develop in the north but conditions are anyways so poor at Newcastle it makes for rubbish games.

Was never happy at how they bought the title when rugby went professional

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 May 2013, 2:19 pm

Its what you expect from such an important game. Be an idiot to play expansive stuff in these conditions. Great drop goal by Ford. That's a warning to falcons

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 2:21 pm

So tight.

The quality in this game to last years semis are much higher.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:24 pm

Yeah it was always going to be attritional which suits falcons.

Could go either way.

The fact that Bedford are through to final shows you the quality of teams in championship.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:26 pm

Newcastle look the better side

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 2:27 pm

Bedford are a good side, always up there

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:28 pm

Gopperth best player on pitch. Touch of class about him. I know the Newcastle lads on here don't rare him but every time i are him he seems to be best player

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:28 pm

Bloody predo text meant every time I see him

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 2:29 pm

He's been v good of late, he just does too much himself though. Rarely passes

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 May 2013, 2:41 pm

I think Falcons will be competitive next season especially at home.

Between Godman, Clegg and Hodgson think they will be okay at 10 after Gopperth leaves. Understand Hodgson a prospect but as first choice 10 he may struggle so other 2 keys signings.

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 2:50 pm

What defence Leeds, great effort

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 3:01 pm

Leeds massive defense, we didn't trust the backs enough but happy with win

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 May 2013, 3:03 pm

When's the final?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 3:07 pm

23rd the first leg I think

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 3:21 pm

Farrell?!? That bloke has no idea what to do in attack sometimes

Good start, Saints looking up for it

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 3:24 pm

Jesus Saull is playing! He's been slagging Sarries off this week saying how Falcons will suit his game better

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 May 2013, 3:29 pm

Come on Saints!!!!!

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sun 12 May 2013, 3:29 pm

Would love to see Saints win, and looking at the sides I don't see why they can't.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 12 May 2013, 3:35 pm

As would I. Hartley having a good game!

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 3:54 pm

Just started watching it on delay. No reason saints can't win. Man for man saints probably better but sarries are a real team

Saull played last few games as Fraser has been injured

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 12 May 2013, 4:04 pm

I must see a different player when I see Hartley, think he's been poor

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Post by Guest Sun 12 May 2013, 4:09 pm

I am 25 in and think Hartley been great. Physical great basics and very influential

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