Why the world should want Haye to win

1. Having a family ow2nig the greatest prize in sports makes the most prestigious honor in sport look easy and cheap.

2. Haye is exciting....

3. Haye is aesthetic. A trait lost in the division since Lewis bulked up

4. The fact Vitali had to beat Sanders for Vlad kind of say's it all..

5. The Klits are boring fighters hidden away in Germany.

6. When the heavyweight division is exciting it filters down to the other divisions. synergesic.

7. Haye has the charisma and style to captivate Boxing..on both sides of the Atlantic.

8. Boxing needs a figurehead.

I could go on all day but I'll stop at 8.....

So come on David and produce the goods..Time for one of the faceless wonders to be expelled from the scene.

Depends if he retires when he says. If he does that wont be good for much.

If Haye beats both and retires that isn't good for the sport would leave the heavyweight division in even worse condition.

Opportunities will open up if and when he drums out the one dimensional robot...

I suspect when HBO comes calling with muchos pesetas a rethink might be in store

Well said Trussy, boxing needs a Haye win.

The Kilts have personalities comparable to a walnut. Fully agree, the world needs a Haye win to stop the boring dominance we have all become used to.

I'm American and I feel the same about the Williams Sisters....Things like Grand slams and the Heavyweight title should be ..hard to win, gold at the end of the rainbow stuff... not for a family to share out between them...

Just isn't right and the sooner it stops the better..

Agree in large with points made, but agree with Scott that if he retires straight after then he won't do much to help.

I think Haye and Wlad conspired in some way to drag it out as much as it has been but Haye fights way too seldom, i mean he's averaged 2 fights a year for some time and could of had some decent wins under his belt.

Not that they're stellar but his CV would look an awful lot better if he had Arreola and Adamek (only not stellar at HW) on there.

Adamek vs Haye at Cruiser would have been fun!

Good post.....But think about it...A win of one of the donuts if not both would mean £20 mill per defence...

Take a very brave man to turn that kind of chow down for some of the stiffs out there.

My guess he doesn't retire..

Rumours abound that Haye will delay his retirement (something I predicted ages ago back on 606)

7. Unfortunately, Haye also has the personality to alienate vast numbers of people. Not wishing to suggest people may be fickle but the American contingent citing their dislike of the K's due to their faceless bland natures, will be some of the first to openly condemn Haye for his perceived arrogance. Now, if he was one of their own, they'd love him, but he isn't so they won't.

The only problem Haye has is that, should he beat both K Bros, he's then stuck at the top of a division with no meaningful challenges for him. Then he's the one lambasted for fighting overweight Americans just coming for a pay check.

Be careful what you wish for...

PS...at least the Williams sisters play each other occasionally!

Do you think everybody wanted Ali, Louis and Tyson to win????

I'm saying that with the fickle nature of society these days, those once crying out for Haye to save us from the K's will be the first to proclaim him the Antichrist.

fickle this, fickle that.....You're just a cynical guy who sees the glass half empty instead of half full.

you don't think some people thought Ali was the anti-christ..

people don't always pay to see someone WIN!!

You're a ninny who can't see I'm playing Devil's Advocate.

I'm as big a David Haye fan as there is and I can't wait to see him wipe the floor with Wlad. I'm just saying that your point re him having a personality isn't necessarily a positive. I fully agree that, all things being equal, he should be seen as a breath of fresh air but something tells me it won't be that easy!

I agree Truss. Haye will make boxing more exciting with his personality. Unfortunately Wlad will jab jab jab right cross him to a R9 KO.

Az, you think he will TKO him in round nine by jabbing? Sonny Liston he aint.

There was a right cross in there too andy.

Haye will throw the straps in the bin and retire if he beats both (I predict.) His alternative is to face one brother after the other until doomsday (or until someone gets bored and retires.) The k brothers arent going to retire on a loss to Haye.

Haye beats both has a defence and retires...Wlad then comes BACK and cleans up the division again thus leading to calls for Haye to come out of retirement and do it all over again....but for MEGA BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the whole retirement thing was more incase he lost, so he could retire in shame without it looking like it was because of the defeat.

I actually think Wlad is due a big defeat. He's had far too much his own way for considerable time and has not really fought what you'd call Top-end contenders (not his fault) aside from Chagaev.

He doesn't like quick fast punchers and I see him heading for the floor at some point in embarrassing fashion. About time too.

Im up for the better boxer on the day and the one who deserves to win. Wont have to many complaints who wins either way unless its a robbery.

I think this kind of article is building Haye into something he isnt though and misrepresenting the Klitschkos.

DAVE667 wrote:Haye beats both has a defence and retires...Wlad then comes BACK and cleans up the division again thus leading to calls for Haye to come out of retirement and do it all over again....but for MEGA BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think you are overlooking the role Audley has to play in all this Dave. The dream is not over, keep believing, destiny will be fulfilled etc etc etc

If (as I expect) Wlad beats Haye comfortably, how will people perceive him and the win. Is he one of the greatest or has he just defeated a blown up cruiser?

Whats Audley up to these days? Has he retired or has he got plans to reignite the HW division one last time?

joey

Don't mention that name on here! Not sure anyone cares to be honest, should retire quietly

Apparently Joey he has not retired. God only knows where a 39 year old heavyweight totally humiliated in his last fight with less credibility than at any point in his career goes from here is anyone's guess but logic and common sense have hardly been features of Harrison's career thus far.

Come to think of it he should fight Holyfield

From my pre-teen days they could bill it as a wrassling-esque "loser retires" match

p.s. my money's on Holyfield to stop him

coxy0001 wrote:p.s. my money's on Holyfield to stop him

Unless Harrison lands THAT left hook which felled Michael Sprott. That punch would have knocked out any Heavyweight who ever drew breath. Like Audley said, the referee stepped in too early against Haye; if he hadn't, it would have been Audley facing off against Wladimir on July 2.

I was a bit surprised Audley was not at least examined as potential candidate for the last prizefighter. Especially as a past winner who has worked with the Hearns. Anyone think this is because he is basically just to unpopular for the UK now?

Much as he is considered a joke in the UK, I still think his name sells.

88Chris05 wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:p.s. my money's on Holyfield to stop him

Unless Harrison lands THAT left hook which felled Michael Sprott. That punch would have knocked out any Heavyweight who ever drew breath. Like Audley said, the referee stepped in too early against Haye; if he hadn't, it would have been Audley facing off against Wladimir on July 2.

Hasn't he got to throw it before he could land it?

Harrison's facial expression resembled this during the Haye fight:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxrpmrbRjtUd0iQ0eX2uE75gZ8cuvnI-Lf1ZshlvobWZdjgrTfpQ

Give me £3m i'd have quite happily at least had a go!

The sad thing is Chris I actually slightly agree with him about the stoppage against Haye, whilst it made no difference to the outcome it was slighly premature. However what he fails to realise is if you spend three rounds throwing sweet FA you hardly incline a ref to cut you any kind of slack the minute you're in trouble.

He fascinates me Audley, he is obviously not a stupid bloke but why he can't work basic stuff like this out is totally beyond me.

Manos would be a brave promoter who would risk putting Harrison on over here, think the point at where he had that element of morbid fascination for folk has gone and think a lot of people feel cheated out of the PPV money last time round. Also would wonder if Sky would touch him again even in their beloved prizefighter

rowley wrote:Manos would be a brave promoter who would risk putting Harrison on over here, think the point at where he had that element of morbid fascination for folk has gone and think a lot of people feel cheated out of the PPV money last time round. Also would wonder if Sky would touch him again even in their beloved prizefighter

Yeah its probably too much of a risk but I still think people are still just fascinated by him and I suspect that even if he was added into a prizefighter his prescence would still attract the curiosity, if even just to see him knocked out.

I agree though that Sky would probably never entertain him again after his last showing.

manos de piedra wrote:

rowley wrote:Manos would be a brave promoter who would risk putting Harrison on over here, think the point at where he had that element of morbid fascination for folk has gone and think a lot of people feel cheated out of the PPV money last time round. Also would wonder if Sky would touch him again even in their beloved prizefighter

Yeah its probably too much of a risk but I still think people are still just fascinated by him and I suspect that even if he was added into a prizefighter his prescence would still attract the curiosity, if even just to see him knocked out.

I agree though that Sky would probably never entertain him again after his last showing.

If Sky are smart than they will televise his next fight. Audley has become a guilty pleasure for many boxing fans and I'd imagine that his next fight would still attract a decent amount of viewers if it were shown on terristerial TV.
I'm sure many posters here would secretly be tuning in.

J.Benson II wrote:If Sky are smart than they will televise his next fight. Audley has become a guilty pleasure for many boxing fans and I'd imagine that his next fight would still attract a decent amount of viewers if it were shown on terristerial TV.
I'm sure many posters here would secretly be tuning in.

Aye, we all have guilty pleasures from time to time; 'Uptown Girl' by Billie Joel and 'Romeo & Juliet' by Dire Straits, in my case!

88Chris05 wrote:

J.Benson II wrote:If Sky are smart than they will televise his next fight. Audley has become a guilty pleasure for many boxing fans and I'd imagine that his next fight would still attract a decent amount of viewers if it were shown on terristerial TV.
I'm sure many posters here would secretly be tuning in.

Aye, we all have guilty pleasures from time to time; 'Uptown Girl' by Billie Joel and 'Romeo & Juliet' by Dire Straits, in my case!

You're right about uptown girl should have kept that to yourself mate. Not sure anything by Dire Straits can be classed as a guilty pleasure though. If Audley was on TV again I would watch and so would a lot of people

Dire Straits and Knopfler in general are total class. Check out Knopfler's "Song for Sonny Liston". He is a huge boxing fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp_T_zVwqAA

Agreed, Dire Straits are never guilty pleasure.

Dire Straits' Romeo and Juliet is a masterpiece. I wouldnt class it as a guilty pleasure. The Killers version of it isnt too bad either.

As for Audley, he gained cult status after the Rogan loss by joining the "so bad he's good" club and his performance against Haye enhanced that reputation.
His next fight would still be a ratings hit.

i think this fight has already done its job in re-lighting interest in the heavyweight boxing division, and i think if haye manages to get through wlad then even if he lost to vitali there will be sufficent talent about to once again get the division competetive- british heavyweights like price, chisora and tyson and fighters from abroad like povetkin, perez, adamez and arreora- while not perfect by any means are all very entertaining fighters and would make for great fights imo

You must see a very different David Haye to me.

I think he lacks the ability, desire and personality to even come close to figureheading the sport.

I see him primarily as a public relations merchant interested in lining his own pockets in any way possible.

When you explore past his self made hype then the reality is far stretch from the truth.

Basically undisputed cruiserweight champ and WBA Heavyweight king...

Definite fraud David Haye..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Basically undisputed cruiserweight champ and WBA Heavyweight king...

Definite fraud David Haye..

Using fancy words like "King" is precisely the kind of pr that Haye relies on for his image.

Look a bit deeper into his record at cruiserweight. A weak division with few, if any standout fighters. He beat, I believe, two cruiserweights in his time there that were ever considered top ten cruiserweights when he faced them. Jean-Marc Mormeck, a decent fighter and Enzo Maccarinelli, a sub world class fighter who merely held an alphabet title at cruiser and was rated below several other cruisers. He never captured the IBF title from Steve Cunningham, his conqueror Tomasz Adamek both of whom I believe were superior to Mormeck and Maccarinelli. I think that this therefore removes his entitlement to be declared undisputed. He also never faced other rated cruisers like Bell, or Wlodarcyzk. Therefore I dont particularly subscribe to him being undisputed or cleaning up the division. At best he can claim to have been the man there for a time. But also never defended his titles post Maccarinelli.

His heavyweight career is even less impressive to date. Barret, Ruiz and Harrison were all cannon fodder and unrated in the top 10 heavyweights. Old, past it, never was - you name it, Haye fought it. Valuev was champion, but the weakest one at the time. To add to this, he had lost his title to Chagaev in the ring, only to be given it back and then defend it against an ancient Holyfield in a fight where the old man won on my card. He then proceeded to avoid a rematch with Chagaev by arranging fight in Finland where Chagaev could not pass a medical, as opposed to his usual adopted home in germany, where Chagaev was free to fight (and where the fight made far more sense).

Haye has used the media to appear as something he is not really. Namely a guy who is taking on the best competiton and is on a quest to save boxing. If you look at his career in detail its actually a series of weak fights punctuated with the odd calculated risk. He has used the Klitschkos as scapegoats and to deflect attention away from his own lacklustre fights and weak oppositions while he makes his own money at low risk fighting as infrequently as possible. Luckily for Haye, the Klitschkos have never seemed particularly concerned with exposing Hayes hypocrisy for reasons I am unsure. Perhaps they feel above it, perhaps they dont care. Now with his money made, retirement looming and the fact I think he exhausted his goodwill with his PPV master he is prepared to take the big gamble. But only when he has as little as possible to lose and as much as possible to gain.

There is a perfectly valid counter argument to say Haye has merely availed of the media, fan opinion and strategic planning to make the most while risking the least. Certaily I wouldnt argue against that. I think he is a business and a salesman. But the saviour of boxing? Far from it in my opinion.

You don't like him...declare your interest before writing such tripe...

He's the first fighter to use the media is he???......

Maccarinelli fight was viewed as 50/50......

Unified cruiser when he didn't have to.....

Gave away stones a la Spinks to campaign as a heavy and triumphed....

He's got alot to be proud of...

I've noticed some bitter types in your Country resent people succeeding..

My guess is you're one of them..

Spot on Colonial Lion. Haye isnt interested in being the saviour of boxing. Like the vast majority of fighters hes just trying to make money.

Thought the idea was to make money.....Naivete is all and well in England. No Boxer owes anybody anything...

However he cleaned up cruiser when he didn't have to....

and He's fighting Vlad when he could easily just milk the WBA belt......

Pretty poor show by Brits that should be getting behind him..

I will be supporting Haye although I don't think he will beat Wlad. Don't see him getting past the jab. Haye has had stamina issues in the past and will be made to work hard every round think he might get KOd late. Hope he does it though because the Klit's are tedious and almost depressing to watch.

[quote="TRUSSMAN66"]1. Having a family ow2nig the greatest prize in sports makes the most prestigious honor in sport look easy and cheap.

2. Haye is exciting....

Point 1 is very harsh and unsupportable. Having the Charlton's in the England world cup squad did not "cheapen" 1966.

Point 2 is unsupportable after outings like Harrison and Valuev.

Do I want Haye to win? Yes. Will it be more attractive in the division if he wins? Yes. Can I see him winning? Sorry, no. Let's hope I'm wrong

Point 1 is very harsh and unsupportable. Having the Charlton's in the England world cup squad did not "cheapen" 1966.

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Have to say thats completely out of context. Boxing is not a team sport, so the issue becomes wholly different when it is a case of 2 champions not being able to fight each other because they are related.