The v2 Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

+5
Corporalhumblebucket
Gregers
msp83
NickisBHAFC
GSC
9 posters

Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

@BBCSport: England name a 13-man Ashes squad: Anderson, Bairstow, Bell, Bresnan, Broad, Cook (c), Finn, Onions, Pietersen, Prior, Root, Swann, Trott.
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

Not a massive surprise but Compton misses out as Onions is preferred as England will have 3 to choose from for the last seam spot
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 5:34 pm

On that squad i would pick

1. Cook (C)
2. Root
3. Trott
4. KP
5. Bell
6. Bairstow
7. Prior W/K
8. Broad
9. Swann
10. Anderson
11. Onions

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

Onions might make you cry then.

Think Bresnan will play at TB
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

Tbf I do like Onions but he got injured at the wrong time
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 5:48 pm

Ill be happy with Bresnan, but i want Onions he always performs on the big day as seen in the 2009 ashes. He has also looked in good touch for Durham so far this summer.

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by msp83 Sat 06 Jul 2013, 6:56 pm

It has to be Finn. Onions is OK, but Jimmy A is already there who can perform a much better job with a broadly similar bowling style. Finn is a much better bowler than Bresnan is, and it will be a real travesty if Finn's dropped on some ludicrous grounds. Said that, I am not entirely trusting the England management to do the sensible thing though.

msp83

Posts : 15402
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : India

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 6:57 pm

I imagine Bresnan will play at TB and Finn at Lords.
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by msp83 Sat 06 Jul 2013, 6:59 pm

GSC wrote:I imagine Bresnan will play at TB and Finn at Lords.
As I said, it will be sad if the England management is out to demonstrate their clownish face at the beginning of the series. I am very sure Finn will have to be brought back at some stage, like they did during the South Africa series last year!.

msp83

Posts : 15402
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : India

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:00 pm

He is a bit of a talisman for England is Bresnan, and the selectors like him to balance the side. Slightly long tail with Finn, who I also feel is a tad overrated as a bowler. Takes wickets but struggles with control.
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:08 pm

To be fair to Bresnan, at TB he has 140 runs in 3 test innings, and 14 wickets at an average of 17.
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:19 pm

Also Trent Bridge are the biggest wan*ers for not allowing the barmy army in!!!! Needs to be noise in the ashes!!!! Hopefully Warner gets a lot of stick.

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:21 pm

Yeah should really let him in, but don't really care. The barmy army generates noise regardless.
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:29 pm

True, but i just can't understand why, used to really like TB but not anymore. Hope this test is a disaster, so they don't host future matches.

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by GSC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 7:30 pm

Yawn
GSC
GSC

Posts : 40761
Join date : 2011-03-28
Age : 30
Location : Leicester

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 8:40 pm

One player who should be there is the best batsman in county cricket Darren Maddy, he is way better than ever player in the squad.

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Gregers Sat 06 Jul 2013, 8:49 pm

No Compton, not a surprise but quite frankly an awful call. Its a closed club, Compton obviously not welcome by Flower so has gone

Gregers

Posts : 15025
Join date : 2011-01-28
Age : 31
Location : Brighton, England

https://www.facebook.com/Gregers25

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Corporalhumblebucket Sat 06 Jul 2013, 11:00 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:One player who should be there is the best batsman in county cricket Darren Maddy, he is way better than ever player in the squad.

Shocked Very Happy Erm Laugh You'll be calling for Ed Giddins to be selected as England's opening batsman next.  Might be a plan to lay off the Whisky for a week.

Corporalhumblebucket

Posts : 7413
Join date : 2011-03-05
Location : Day's march from Surrey

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 06 Jul 2013, 11:07 pm

Would imagine it's a straight battle between Bresnan and Finn for the final spot, and quite frankly both would do a good job. As GSC says wouldn't be surprised to see Bresnan at TB and Finn at Lords.

Can understand the clamour for Finn over Bres in ODI's, but in Tests I think both do a good job.
Good Golly I'm Olly
Good Golly I'm Olly
Tractor Boy
Tractor Boy

Posts : 49572
Join date : 2011-09-18
Age : 26
Location : Chris Woakes's wardrobe

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 06 Jul 2013, 11:46 pm

Corporalhumblebucket wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:One player who should be there is the best batsman in county cricket Darren Maddy, he is way better than ever player in the squad.

Shocked Very Happy Erm Laugh You'll be calling for Ed Giddins to be selected as England's opening batsman next.  Might be a plan to lay off the Whisky for a week.

 GSC will you please do the honors Smile

NickisBHAFC

Posts : 11666
Join date : 2011-04-24
Location : Sussex

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by msp83 Sun 07 Jul 2013, 8:17 am

Olly wrote:Would imagine it's a straight battle between Bresnan and Finn for the final spot, and quite frankly both would do a good job. As GSC says wouldn't be surprised to see Bresnan at TB and Finn at Lords.

Can understand the clamour for Finn over Bres in ODI's, but in Tests I think both do a good job.
In ODIs, the argument that a bowler who can offer some control could be an asset is a fair enough one, although in Finn's and Bresnan's case, its a misconception that the latter offeres greater control than the former. Besides, there could be a convoluted logic to placing some importance to Bresnan's batting abilities.
However in test matches, there is absolutely no question whatsoever. You win test matches by taking 20 wickets, a wickettaker like Finn is absolute value. Bresnan is not a bowler with that x factor about him. The stats tell you an honest story, that of a capable backup. Apart from Graeme Swann, Steven Finn is the only bowler in the England first choice attack who average under 30 for every wicket. Besides, his strike rate of 47 compares well with the greats of the game. He takes 4 wickets per match on an average it has to be remembered, 88 from 22 vs 57 in 18 from Bresnan at an average above 32 at a strike rate over 65, that is just above 3 wickets per match.

msp83

Posts : 15402
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : India

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by alfie Sun 07 Jul 2013, 10:20 am

I am not as fanatically determined as msp Smile  that Finn is the only possible choice ; but I would be surprised to see Bresnan preferred here...yes he adds to the batting , and he has a good record at Trent Bridge , but his recent bowling performances just haven't been good enough to oust the incumbent. Would like to see Finn in a bit better rhythm than recently , but I fancy this might well happen now he is back in Test Match mode.
One big merit of Finn is that he tends to take wickets even when he isn't bowling all that well. And his pace and bounce will be handy against Australia's (very handy) tail.

alfie

Posts : 16265
Join date : 2011-05-31
Location : Melbourne.

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by msp83 Sun 07 Jul 2013, 10:31 am

alfie wrote:I am not as fanatically determined as msp Smile  that Finn is the only possible choice ; but I would be surprised to see Bresnan preferred here...yes he adds to the batting , and he has a good record at Trent Bridge , but his recent bowling performances just haven't been good enough to oust the incumbent.  Would like to see Finn in a bit better rhythm than recently , but I fancy this might well happen now he is back in Test Match mode.
One big merit of Finn is that he tends to take wickets even when he isn't bowling all that well.  And his pace and bounce will be handy against Australia's (very handy) tail.
That's a good start alfie!!!. Finn had done well in the New Zealand test series as well. He wasn't at his best in the first test, yet he produced a 4 wicket haul, and those were not from catches in the deep. Then in the 2nd test, he opened up the New Zealand batting along with Graeme Swann to put England firmly in control. Hope big Finn just puts in a fine performance in the first test to convince that I was just being logical about it!!.

msp83

Posts : 15402
Join date : 2011-05-30
Location : India

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Mike Selig Sun 07 Jul 2013, 6:43 pm

No surprise that Compo has been dropped given the noises made from the England camp. He really needed a ton against the Aussies to give himself a chance and couldn't do that against what will likely turn out to be pretty much their 2nd string attack. Whether it's the right move or not only time will tell.

I'm not sure how anybody can think Bresnan ahead of Finn given their performances in the last few series could be a good idea TBH. Finn has outbowled Bresnan in test matches consistently for a while now, and as others have pointed out has the happy knack of getting wickets even when not bowling well. I would be very disappointed and somewhat surprised if Finn doesn't start.

From Australia's point of view, things are looking a bit brighter than they have, and their class bowling will keep them in the game. Watson opening is (IMO) a good move, although personally I would partner him with Cowan and have Rogers (who can score big hundreds and dominate) at 3. Smith surely has to play now, and he should do - Australia have to find a way of getting someone with his amount of talent in the side, and given the relative paucity of middle-order options it would be a travesty if they didn't. I'm not convinced about the 5 bowler strategy, particularly with Watson - Hughes or Warner may well slot in at 5 or 6 IMO.

Bowling wise it seems likely to be Pattinson, Siddle and Lyon. Final spot is anyone's guess, I would suppose Starc, but I guess Bird, Harris are also in the frame. For me, Bird's natural length is a bit short for England, and Starc's pace and swing could be quite a handful. Harris of course is a wonderful bowler if he stays fit. If...

All in all I look forward to Wednesday...

Mike Selig

Posts : 4295
Join date : 2011-05-30

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 07 Jul 2013, 6:49 pm

I'm not saying Bresnan should start over Finn, just that it wouldn't be the complete disaster that some are making it out to be.

I would expect Finn to start on Wednesday also
Good Golly I'm Olly
Good Golly I'm Olly
Tractor Boy
Tractor Boy

Posts : 49572
Join date : 2011-09-18
Age : 26
Location : Chris Woakes's wardrobe

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Duty281 Mon 08 Jul 2013, 10:06 pm

Hoping Finn will start, but will be neither too disappointed or surprised, if Bresnan gets the nod.

Duty281

Posts : 27020
Join date : 2011-06-06
Age : 26
Location : Not having Chance on here

Back to top Go down

England 13 man squad for first Ashes test Empty Re: England 13 man squad for first Ashes test

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum