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Post by sirfredperry Tue 6 Aug - 18:37

First topic message reminder :

They're all at it again on Friday. Just as England are likely to chuck in a bad performance when everyone expects them to win (Leeds 09, Perth 2010/11, Manchester 2013) they usually bounce back next Test (Lord's and Oval 09, Melbourne 2010/11).
I'm taking England to win one of the last two Tests to ensure a series victory. Onions, it seems, will come in and that could be a good move. Still think this is not a very strong Australia team. It's just that they were an average team playing poorly in the first two Test while at Manchester they were an average team playing well.
Before Manchester, we were asking if Australia could improve/get back into the series. Well they certainly achieved the former if not the latter. Now we could ask - Can England start firing on all cylinders ?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:37

Is it too difficult to give Australia credit here? They've bowled really well today and, assisted by a slow outfield, have kept England's scoring rate down.

Now Bairstow's gone. Grrrr. Lyon 4/36.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 2:38

And another,

Honestly this is a disgusting performance and a shambles from England.

They can't even make 200.

This very short period holding the ashes is going to come crashing down this winter.

Cook is getting it so wrong, Can't even read the scores here and see batting second is best so once again puts his team in trouble making the wrong decision. What the hell is up with him and flower?

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Post by hampo17 Sat 10 Aug - 2:38

Why. Just why in this situation would you play a risky shot like the sweep. Wasn't even like he tried to paddle it, was a fully blooded sweep. Stupid cricket again.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 2:38

Duty281 wrote:Is it too difficult to give Australia credit here? They've bowled really well today and, assisted by a slow outfield, have kept England's scoring rate down.

Now Bairstow's gone. Grrrr. Lyon 4/36.
I do give them credit, they are far the better side and will deserve to draw this series.


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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:39


bairstow dismissal is a blessing in disguise for eng to lose bairstow, 12 off 76 that inning wasn't going anywhere....puts and end to the miseries.

and eng's suicidal negativity continues
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 2:40

Bring in Taylor. Get rid of bairstow.


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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 2:40

A shot born out of pressure and good bowling.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 2:42

Aussie are a damned good side.

England, well.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:43

England have only played at their best once in this series - at Lord's, and it was there that the gulf in class between England and Australia was highlighted.

Now England aren't playing at their best again, but it's the first day of a Test Match. In other words I will laugh at the knee-jerkers, continue with my relentless optimism, and then on Monday be toasting a 3 nil England series lead.

I really do love being English.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 10 Aug - 2:43

Duty281 wrote:Is it too difficult to give Australia credit here? They've bowled really well today and, assisted by a slow outfield, have kept England's scoring rate down.

Now Bairstow's gone. Grrrr. Lyon 4/36.
I was attempting to give Australia credit by saing they were doing us simply with accuracy - bowling good lines and lengths and not giving us much to hit...so that when we do try and score we get out.

That pressure has led to us going ultra defensive and getting out from not even trying to score (lbws, defensive edges etc.)

And Bairstow perishes, trying to go on the attack. England 193-7. We're not even going to make 250 here.
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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:44

the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 2:46

KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 10 Aug - 2:46

Bairstow has looked poor in the Int arena, he needs to go away and work on his game.

I'm glad the ashes are already in the bag because we're making a poor Aus side look like world beaters at the minute.

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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:49

JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.
LOL
tactical would have been to not let that 12 off 76 guy goimg no where to absolutely not let use DRS....preserve it for broad, Swann etal
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Post by hampo17 Sat 10 Aug - 2:51

Poor shot by Broad. Nothing wrong with this pitch, too many silly shots.

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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 2:52

KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.
LOL
tactical would have been to not let that 12 off 76 guy goimg no where to absolutely not let use DRS....preserve it for broad, Swann etal
Well, no it wouldn't. Even in poor form, JB is more likely to make a game changing ton than Broad, Swann and Bres.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:53

Now that is soft. England have had a poor day with the bat. Disappointing.

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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:54

JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.
LOL
tactical would have been to not let that 12 off 76 guy goimg no where to absolutely not let use DRS....preserve it for broad, Swann etal
Well, no it wouldn't. Even in poor form, JB is more likely to make a game changing ton than Broad, Swann and Bres.
Lol again.
we are on different planets
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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:54

I fear that I may very well have to

Spoiler:
to avoid the knee-jerking!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:55

KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.
LOL
tactical would have been to not let that 12 off 76 guy goimg no where to absolutely not let use DRS....preserve it for broad, Swann etal
Well, no it wouldn't. Even in poor form, JB is more likely to make a game changing ton than Broad, Swann and Bres.
Lol again.
we are on different planets
How old are you kp_fan?

Any person over the age of 10 should cringe at using "lol" in conversation. thumbsup 

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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:55

Duty281 wrote:Now that is soft. England have had a poor day with the bat. Disappointing.
keep your chin up buddy....anderson and swann can still do them for 120 odd.
the cheer leader aught to be positive all the time.
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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 2:56

KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
JDizzle wrote:
KP_fan wrote:the usage of drs the way he did was borne out of selfish panic......lets use it and maybe a career slipping away at the end of this game might be revived.
I'd imagine it was more because Eng still have two reviews and he is the last recognised batsman. A tactical review.
LOL
tactical would have been to not let that 12 off 76 guy goimg no where to absolutely not let use DRS....preserve it for broad, Swann etal
Well, no it wouldn't. Even in poor form, JB is more likely to make a game changing ton than Broad, Swann and Bres.
Lol again.
we are on different planets
Really? So Broad, Bres and Swann are more likely to do more damage with the bat than Bairstow? That shot from Broad obviously proves that... Doh 

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 2:57

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Now that is soft. England have had a poor day with the bat. Disappointing.
keep your chin up buddy....anderson and swann can still do them for 120 odd.
the cheer leader aught to be positive all the time.
My chin's always up, sir. Just feeling rather sorry for what our brave chaps with the ball are going to have to inflict on the Australian batsman to win this game. Could haunt the Australians for years.

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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 2:58

hind sight can prove anything Cool 
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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 3:03

bresnan the allrounder ans swann the fighter should get them to 270 with anderson making his contribution.
that will be somethimg to fight with for anderson & co.
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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 3:06

200 up! Someone uncork the champagne, and bring me my chariot of fire! #250herewecome

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:10

150 short of a score a good side could make and what Clarke and his side will be aiming for doody.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:14

As Vaughn says, England on the slide and Aussie superior and on the up.


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Post by mystiroakey Sat 10 Aug - 3:19

Oh dear what a collapse!

We will have a result though!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:21

Saw a really good joke today, the England cricket team.

Honestly , what is going on?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 3:22

Do you know who I blame? The Australian cricket team.

Fair chuffing play to 'em, they've got very little to play for, but are turning in a fantastic effort today. clap 

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:23

Duty mate, welcome to the heart destroying Poopie that is the reality of English cricket

It's back and you'll sadly have to get used to it. England slumps last decades.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:24

Duty281 wrote:Do you know who I blame? The Australian cricket team.

Fair chuffing play to 'em, they've got very little to play for, but are turning in a fantastic effort today. clap 
They bowled well but England's constant joke shot selection has helped them massively. The mental strength is not there. Even Lyon can tear them apart without any turn.

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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 3:30

The Burnley Lara.

If Eng can get up to 250/260 tomorrow then it is still game on.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 3:31

Anderson destroying the Australian attack! 238/9 at stumps, lot of work for England's bowlers to do tomorrow!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:32

Great day from the Aussies. They are back and totally on top
Warne was right.

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Post by GSC Sat 10 Aug - 3:36

267 remains the highest first innings score at Durham this season
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:38

And second gsc?

We can basically add 100 to that for Clarke's wicket to work out what england will be chasing probably?

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 10 Aug - 3:40

Par score is very low here.

I don't think are down that much. But credit to the Aussies

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Post by GSC Sat 10 Aug - 3:40

No idea, TMS told me
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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 10 Aug - 3:43

More like 300 i would bet

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 10 Aug - 3:47

This test has summed up our batting in the whole of the ashes. If it wasn't for our superb bowling we would be doomed.

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Post by JDizzle Sat 10 Aug - 3:51

First innings scores at Durham 2013: 253, 267, 259, 237, 250.

Second innings scores at Durham 2013: 113, 209, 196, 177, 132.

Interesting note, in CC matches this year everytime Durham have won the toss (and bear in mind they know the conditions the best) have chosen to bat whilst every visiting team who have won the toss have chosen to field. Local knowledge.

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sat 10 Aug - 3:53

Looking at today's comments on this thread I was wondering how days changes and with that people do. Though Duty only remained firm on his stance before and recently also.
A much lowly rated Australian team is now considered ahead of skilled English team.

Besides all, I must say it was Aussies day apart from losing the toss, but that too came in their favor at the end of the day. It was total negative batting from England, bit of poor shots and then a very dominating effort from Aussies bowlers.

I hope tomorrow Australians will not bat like the way the did in the first two test matches. Series has turned a lot and I feel a scoreline 2-1 in favor of England looks better than 4-0.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sat 10 Aug - 3:57

JDizzle wrote:

Interesting note, in CC matches this year everytime Durham have won the toss (and bear in mind they know the conditions the best) have chosen to bat whilst every visiting team who have won the toss have chosen to field. Local knowledge.
Interesting, and that what Cook have thought off after winning the toss, and Clarke would have been smiling in his mind for going to bat first by Cook. Very Happy 
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Sat 10 Aug - 3:58

trebellbobaggins wrote:More like 300 i would bet
Between 260-270. I guess
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 10 Aug - 3:59

Its posted above and its 209

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Post by KP_fan Sat 10 Aug - 4:03

--watching T3 I remarked often Eng have shut shutters and are playing pathetic, timid defensive cricket....winning the ashes was considered Nirvana and nothing more left in life.

--that was shut-shop too early....they would have lost T3 and now are on the ropes in T4.
Root and Bairstow's new-comers probbaly listening wholeheartedly to the coach.....through their approach epitomize how Eng is thinking.......dead-defensive-draw.

--the pitch has neitehr turn nor bounce nor seam assitance nor the overhead conditions assisted too much.....Lyon is as friendly an offie as you'd find playing international cricket.....and Bird is really a medium pacer whose inclusion ahead of bustling pacers they have is surprising.

--it is looking hard...but if Eng can pick themsleves..push toward 250 tomorrow and bowl well , restrict Aus to 325 max...and then bat positively in the 2nd inning...they can still win. They are undoubteldy the superior team.

--Bat positively in the 2nd inning..is very important......Cook started as his own man...and has now turned a pup controlled by Flower.


it is the kind of "Nirvana Mode"...nothing else left to play for mode that India got into after winning the most covoted prize the world cup in 2011.

Hope Eng can wake up tomorrow.

PS*....no DRS PS*
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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 4:08

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:Looking at today's comments on this thread I was wondering how days changes and with that people do. Though Duty only remained firm on his stance before and recently also.
A much lowly rated Australian team is now considered ahead of skilled English team.

Besides all, I must say it was Aussies day apart from losing the toss, but that too came in their favor at the end of the day. It was total negative batting from England, bit of poor shots and then a very dominating effort from Aussies bowlers.

I hope tomorrow Australians will not bat like the way the did in the first two test matches. Series has turned a lot and I feel a scoreline 2-1 in favor of England looks better than 4-0.
Who on earth thinks that? Bar the knee-jerkers of course, and they don't really know what they mean.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 10 Aug - 4:09

JDizzle wrote:First innings scores at Durham 2013: 253, 267, 259, 237, 250.

Second innings scores at Durham 2013: 113, 209, 196, 177, 132.

Interesting note, in CC matches this year everytime Durham have won the toss (and bear in mind they know the conditions the best) have chosen to bat whilst every visiting team who have won the toss have chosen to field. Local knowledge.
Thanks for that.

Exhibit A ladies and gentlemen, in why England are heading for a 3 nil series lead.

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